>>> GOOD MORNING.
>> GOOD MORNING.
IT IS 9:32 A.M., MAY 24th,
2022, MEETING OF THE PUBLIC
SAFETY AND HUMAN SERVICES
COMMITTEE WILL COME TO ORDER.
I AM LISA HERBOLD.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON.
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> PRESENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON.
OH, I'M SORRY.
EXCUSE ME.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> PRESENT.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> HERE.
>> FOUR PRESENT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, I WILL
RECOGNIZE HIM, AND SO ON
TODAY'S AGENDA, WE WILL BE
HEARING THREE ITEMS.
FIRST, WE WILL HEAR AND
INTRODUCE A DRAFT BILL TO
ESTABLISH A NEW PROCESS FOR
INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS NAMING
THE CHIEF OF POLICE AND IN THE
2027 ACCOUNTABILITY ORDINANCE
THAT WE ARE SEEKING TO ADDRESS
WITH THIS LEGISLATION.
SECONDLY, WE'LL BE HEARING FROM
MEMBERS -- SPECIFICALLY OUR
AREA OF DIRECTORS ABOUT SAFETY
THAT THEY ARE PROPOSING.
AND WE WILL BE HEARING FROM
THE MAYOR'S OFFICE FROM
SPECIFIC NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS
THAT THEY ARE HOPING TO BE ABLE
TO REPLICATE.
THIRDLY WE'LL BE DISCUSSING AND
VOTING ON AN A AMENDMENT FOR
120294.
SO 14 AMENDMENTS FISH
CONSIDERATION TODAY AND ONE I
KNOW THAT COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS
HAS JOINED IN, AND WELCOME,
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, AND WE
WILL NOW APPROVE OUR AGENDA,
AND IF THERE IS NO OBJECTION,
IT WILL BE ADOPTED.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, TODAY'S
AGENDA IS ADOPTED.
IN THIS TIME WE'LL TRANSITION
INTO PUBLIC COMMENTS AND I WILL
MODERATE IN THE FOLLOWING
MANNER.
WITH THE NUMBER OF SPEAKERS WE
HAVE EACH SPEAKER WILL BE GIVEN
ONE MINUTE TO SPEAK.
I AM CALL ON EACH SPEAKER BY
NAME IN ORDER IN WHICH THEY
REGISTERED ON THE COUNCIL
WEBSITE.
IF YOU HAVE NOT YET
REGISTERED, YOU CAN GO TO THE
COUNCIL'S WEBSITE AND REGISTER.
WHEN I CALL THE SPEAKER'S NAME
AND YOU HEARING A PROMPT YOU
NEED TO HIT STAR SIX AND UNMUTE
YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME
AND THE ITEM IN WHICH YOU ARE
ADDRESSING, AND SPEAKERS WILL
HEARING A CHIME.
ONCE THE SPEAKER HEARS THE
CHIME WE ASK THEM TO WRAP UP
THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
IF THE SPEAKER DOES NOT END UP
THE COMMENT AT THE END OF THE
ALLOTTED TIME, THE SPEAKER'S
MIC WILL BE MUTED IN 10 SECONDS
TO ALLOW US TO HEAR FROM THE
NEXT SPEAKER.
ONCE YOU HAVE COMPLETED YOUR
COMMENT, WE ASK THAT YOU MUTE
THE LINE AND WE HAVE THREE
PEOPLE SIGNED UP FOR COMMENT
THIS MORNING AND I WILL BE
READING THE NAMES INTO THE
RECORD.
OUR FIRST SPEAKER, HOWARD, AND
FOLLOWED BY ANNA.
HOWARD?
>> GOOD MORNING.
HOWARD DALE, COMMENTING ON OUR
FAILED POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY
SYSTEM.
THE FIRST ITEM ON THE AGENDA IS
PROPOSED LEGISLATION THAT
STARTS OUT PROCLAIMING THAT THE
CURRENT POLICE ACCOUNTABILITY
SYSTEM, QUOTE, HAS STRENGTH NOT
FOUND IN OTHER MODELS OF
OVERSIGHT AND ADDRESSES
SYSTEMIC WEAKNESSES IN WHICH
OTHER SYSTEMS HAVE STRUGGLED,
UNQUOTE.
AS A PSYCHOLOGIST WE SEE THIS
AS A HIGHLY DYSFUNCTIONAL
DEFENSE MECHANISM TO HIDE
FAILURES THAT SPD HAS KILLED
MORE PEOPLE IN THE DECADE AFTER
THE CONSENT DECREE THAN THE
DECADE PRIOR.
FAILURES LIKE THE REALITY OF
THE CONTINUING RACIAL DISPARITY
AND THE SPD USE OF FORCE AND
SPD STOPS AND DETENTION,
FAILURES LIKE THE 2020
UNCONSTITUTIONAL AND
AGREGIOUSLY VIOLENT ACTION
AGAINST THE DEMONSTRATORS ALL
RM WERE EXONERATED SAVE FORA
FEW CASES IN WHICH COMPLAINTS
WERE UPHELD RELATING IN
REPRIMAND.
>> THANK YOU, AND ANNA WILL BE
FOLLOWED BY HANDS.
>> HI.
I AM ANNA POWELL, AND I
REPRESENT DOORDASH.
DOORDASH HAS SUPPORTED MINIMUM
EARNINGS STANDARDS BEFORE, THE
PAY PROPOSAL AT 200% OF THE
MINIMUM WAGE IS TOO HIGH AND
WOULD REDUCE OPPORTUNITIES FOR
DASHERS WHO EARN ABOUT $28 PER
HOUR.
WE BELIEVE IT'S IMPORTANT TO
SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT.
A RECENT REPORT FROM WORKING
WASHINGTON IS BASED ON DATA
FROM JUST 400 DELIVERIES ACROSS
MULTIPLE PLATFORMS.
THAT CAN'T POSSIBLY SUMMARIZE
THE EXPERIENCE OF 38,000
DASHERS IN SEATTLE, AND MORE
THAN 15,000 OF YOUR
CONSTITUENTS COMMITTED LETTERS
ASKING YOU TO HALT THE PAY UP
PROPOSAL AND STUDY THE IMPACT
BEFORE PASSING IT.
>> THANK YOU.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DAWN.
WELCOME.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON OR GOOD
MORNING, MEMBERS OF THE
COMMITTEE AND CHAIR HERBOLD.
THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY
TO SPEAK.
I'M THE GIG ECONOMY ORGANIZING
DIRECTOR FOR THE NATIONAL
WORKERS ALLIANCE AND HERE TO
COMMENT ON 120294 SPECIFICALLY
AMENDMENTS TWO AND THREE.
WE URGE THE COUNCIL TO PASS THE
AMENDMENTS WITH THE EXCEPTION
OF TWO AND THREE WHICH WOULD
EXCLUDE THE DOMESTIC WORKERS,
THOUSANDS, IN THE ORDINANCE.
THE COMPANY IS LOOKING TO
EXCLUDE THE MOST ADVANCED
WORKERS TO GAIN CONTROL AND
KEEP THE COSTS LOW.
THE DOMESTIC WORKERS ALLIANCE
IS THE NATION'S LEADING VOICE
FOR THE $2.5 MILLION DOMESTIC
WORKERS WHO MAKE THIS POSSIBLE
E MAINLY IN SEATTLE.
WE URGE THE COUNCILMEMBERS TO
OPPOSE THE AMENDMENTS.
THE ATTEMPTS TO REDEFINE THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES IS ARE
THE PA OF THE STANDARD PLAYBOOK
FOR THE STRATEGY THAT IS
ATTEMPTED AROUND THE COUNTRY
AND TO EXCLUDE DOMESTIC WORKERS
.
>> THANK YOU.
GREAT TO HEAR FROM YOU.
AND WE HAVE DAVID FOLLOWED BY
MAGNOLIA.
DAVID?
>> ALL RIGHT.
NOT SEEING DAVID PRESENT, WE'LL
GO DOWN TO MAGNOLIA WHO WILL BE
FOLLOWED BY ALLISON.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK.
MY NAME IS MAGNOLIA, AND I AM
ADDRESSING 120294.
AND I HAVE BEEN CLEANING HOMES
SINCE 2020 AND EXCLUDING THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES WOULD
HURT WORKERS LIKE ME PROVIDING
REAL AND NECESSARY SERVICES
THROUGHOUT THE CITY AND IT
OPENS A LOOPHOLE FOR GIG WORK
APPS AND IT SENDS THE MESSAGE
THAT THE WORKERS USING THESE
APPS ARE NOT WORTHY OF THE
SECURITY AS EVERYONE ELSE.
ADDITIONALLY, THE APP
ENCOURAGES PEOPLE TO UNDERSELL
THEMSELVES TO COMPETE WITH
OTHER TASKERS.
WE NEED THE CITY TO SHOW THAT
THEY VALUE OUR LIVES OVER THE
PROFITS OF THE LARGE COMPANIES
AND NEED AS ROBUST A CONDITION
AS POSSIBLE.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, AND THE NEXT
SPEAKER IS ALLISON FOLLOWED BY
MATTHEW.
ALLISON?
>> ALLISON, YOU ARE NOT
SHOWING ON MUTE BUT WE CAN'T
HEAR YOU IF YOU'RE SPEAKING.
ALLISON?
I'M SORRY.
I -- I SEE YOU OFF MUTE BUT WE
CAN'T HEAR YOU.
I'M SORRY, ALLISON.
WE'LL HAVE TO GO TO THE NEXT
SPEAKER WHO WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
WEI.
FOX MATTHEWS.
>> HELLO.
I AM FOX MATTHEWS AND I'M HERE
TO COMMENT ON THE PAY UP
PROPOSAL.
I'M A DASHER IN THE SEATTLE
AREA AND I'M A LOCAL ARTIST AND
A BRAND NEW FATHER AS OF FOUR
MONTHS AGO AND BECAUSE OF THOSE
TWO REASONS THAT I MENTION I
APPRECIATE AND VALUE THE GIG
WORK OF DOOR DASH AND PROVIDES
ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO REACH MY
FINANCIAL GOALS AND THE FREEDOM
TO MANAGE AND CREATE MY OWN
SCHEDULE AND THE FLEXIBILITY TO
SPEND TIME WITH MY FAMILY AND
OTHER HORIZONS.
AND SCHOOL IS ON THE HORIZON
AND I KNOW DOORDASH WILL HELP
ME MEET MY GOALS.
I ASK THE CITY COUNCIL TO TAKE
THE TIME TO UNDERSTAND THE
CONSEQUENCES IT WILL HAVES TO
MANY DASHERS, INCLUDING MYSELF.
THANKS FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU, FOX.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER, WEI LIN.
>> HI, EVERYONE.
GREETINGS.
THE PAYUP POLICY, I
UNDERSTANDING IS IT WOULD ALLOW
COMPANIES TO EXCLUDE PAYMENTS
TO GIG WORKERS FOR OFFERS THAT
WE COMPLETE.
WE ARE HARD WORKERS AND DON'T
WANT TO LOSE OUR JOBS.
WE WANT TO DO A GOOD JOB.
WE HOPE THAT WE WILL OUR WORK
WILL BE REWARDED AND THE NOT
PENALIZING WORKERS.
WE DRIVE MILES AND DRIVING ON
GPS, AND THE DRIVER APPS FORCE
US TO TURN TO DIFFERENT
LOCATIONS.
NO MATTER HOW LONG THE ORDER, I
TIME TOO LONG THEORDER AND I
THINK I AM STRETCHING TIME ON
PURPOSE THEY WILL TAKE ACTION.
>> AND GARY IS OUR NEXT SPEAKER
FOLLOWED BY SAGE WILSON.
GARY, I SEE YOU ARE STILL ON
MUTE.
YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX, PLEASE.
STILL SEEING YOU ON MUTE.
YOU CAN TRY AGAIN TO HIT STAR
SIX.
THIS IS A CALL FOR GARY TYSON.
THERE WE GO.
>> I'M BISHOP GARY TYSON.
AS A LEADER OF THE GENERAL
BAPTIST CONVENTION OF THE
NORTHWEST WE EXPRESS OUR
CONCERNS WITH THE PAYUP
PROPOSAL BEFORE THE SEATTLE
CITY COUNCIL.
WE BELIEVE THIS LEGISLATION
MUST BE SATISFIED TO DO THE
WORK OF BETTER UNDERSTANDING
THE COMMUNITIES THAT WE WORK TO
CONNECT TO AND EMPOWER.
IN 2017, PRIOR TO PASSING THE
SUGAR, SWEETENED BEVERAGE TAX,
THE CITY TOOK THE TIME TO
CREATE A RACIAL EQUITY
TOOLKIT.
THE SAME SHOULD BE DONE TO APP-
BASED WORKERS AND COMMUNITY
MEMBERS BEFORE RUSH TING PASS
IT.
THE PAYUP POLICY DOESN'T TAKE
INTO ACCOUNT THE APP-BASED WORK
AND THE NEGATIVE UNINTENDED
CONVINCES THAT COULD COME FROM
THE POLICIES LIKE PAYUP.
WE BELIEVE THERE IS A GREAT
OPPORTUNITY IN THE RIGHT
DIRECTION.
THANK YOU FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SAGE
WILSON.
>> HI, SAGE WILSON WITH WORKING
WASHINGTON IN SUPPORT OF THE
PAY UP POLICY WITH THE LOOPHOLE
AMENDMENT TWO AND THREE.
AMENDMENT TWO WOULD VASTLY
EXPAND THE MARKETPLACE THAT
WOULD BE ABLE TO OFFER ON-
DEMAND FOR TRACK WORKERS AND
NOT PAY ACCORDINGLY BECAUSE
THEY MAY DO OTHER THINGS.
AMENDMENT THREE WOULD ENTIRE
ATTEMPT THE POLICY FOR
CONTINUING THE ACCESS TO JOBS
THAT WOULD DRIVE DOWN PAY.
PAY UP HAS ALWAYS COVERED THE
WORKERS AND COVERED IN EVERY
HEARING AND EVERY VERSION OF
THE POLICY SINCE LAST YEAR.
WHETHER WE'RE TALKING ABOUT
DOMESTIC WORKERS OR FARM
WORKERS OR GOOD WORKERS THERE
IS NO GOOD ARGUMENT MADE TO
EXCLUDE ANYONE FROM MINIMUM
WAGE.
>> THANK YOU.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER FOLLOWED
BY LISA.
JUSTIN?
>> I AM ON THE DELIVERY
PLATFORM SHIPT AND I AM CALLING
TO EXPRESS OUR OCCURRENCE FOR
BILL 1202 INURE.
IT'S A CRUCIAL SOURCE OF
EARNING OPPORTUNITIES FOR
THOUSANDS IN SEATTLE.
THIS MEASURE IS CONSIDERED
WITHOUT ANY EFFORT FROM THE
CITY TO STUDY THE IMPACT
INCLUDING THE POSSIBILITY THAT
IT DIMINISHES THE OPPORTUNITIES
IT AVAILABLE TO APP-BASED
WORKERS AND NUMBER OF DELIVERY
WORKERS.
FLEXIBILITY IS AT THE CORE OF
SHIPT.
TO THIS END, 75% OF OUR
SHOPPERS CHOOSE TO WORK LESS
THAN 10 HOURS A WEEK FOR SHIPT.
THOSE WHO CHOOSE TO WORK MORE
THAN 48 HOURS A WEEK ON AVERAGE
EARN MORE THAN DISLERCH,000 A
YEAR.
THANK YOU FOR PROVIDING ME THE
OPPORTUNITY EXPRESS OUR
CONCERNS AND I ASK THAT YOU
CONSIDER THIS MEASURE.
THANK YOU.
>> OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TALISHA
FOLLOWED BY TIFFANY.
>> GOOD MORNING.
I AM A SHOPPER ON THE INSTACART
ACT.
I AM HERE TO ASK YOU TO VOTE
FOR THE PAY UP FOLLOWS AND
AGAINST THE AMENDMENT.
IF THEY ALLOW HIGH TIPS TELL
FURTHER THE PRACTICE OF
STEALING TIPS TO PAY FAIR CAGE
WAGE TO WORKERS.
TIPS ARE NOT WAGES.
WORKERS ARE ALREADY IN THE DARK
AS TO HOW MUCH THE JOB WILL BE
PAID.
HIDING THE TIPS TURN THE LIGHTS
OFF COMPLETELY.
HERE IS THE DEAL.
60% OF THE WORK IS TIPS.
TIPS IS SUCH A LARGE PORTION OF
OUR TOTAL COMPOSITION THAT WE
DECIDE THE JOBS TO ACCEPT BASED
ON IT.
EVERY RESTAURANT IS REQUIRED TO
PAY THE MINIMUM WAGE BEFORE
TIPS.
THE GIG COMPANIES MUST BE HELD
TO THE SAME STANDARDS.
IT'S THE RIGHT FOR BEING
WORKERS TO KNOW THE TIP AMOUNT.
TIPS ARE NOT WAGES.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS TIFFANY AND
TIFFANY WILL BE FOLLOWED BY
CARMEN.
TIFFANY?
>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR HERBOLD
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY.
I'M THE WESTERN REGION POLICY
MANAGER FOR INSTACART.
I'M HERE TO ADDRESS CB 120294
PAY UP LEGISLATION.
INSTACART IS COMMITTED TO
PROVIDING SHOPPERS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO EARN HOW THEY
WANT AND WHEN THEY WANT BUT IN
ORDER FOR THE OPPORTUNITIES TO
EXIST THERE MUST BE SUFFICIENT
CUSTOMER DEMAND.
AND WORKING CONDITIONS NEEDS TO
FACTOR THAT IN.
WE APPRECIATE THE AMENDMENTS
THAT WERE INTRODUCED BUT THINK
SEVERAL ADJUSTMENTS NEED TO BE
MADE FOR THE IMPACT ON
BUSINESSES, WORKERS AND THE
COMMUNITY.
THE PROPOSAL IS EXTREMELY
PROBLEMATIC FOR SHOPPERS AND
PRETAIL PARTNERS.
MEMBERS OF THE COMMIT SHOULD BE
MADE AWARE THAT WE EXPECT A
DECREASE IN THE OFFERS ON THE
PLATFORM THAT WILL IN TURN LEAD
TO A DECREASE IN OPPORTUNITY
FOR WORKERS AND CONSUMERS.
INSTACART LOOKS FORWARD TO
FURTHER DISCUSSING AS WE
CONTINUE TO WORK.
>> THANK YOU, AND OUR NEXT
SPEAKER IS CARMEN FOLLOWED BY
RICHARD.
CARMEN?
>> HELLO.
I AM CARMEN FIGUEROA.
CAN YOU HEAR ME OKAY?
>> YES.
THANK YOU.
>> HELLO, HEY.
MY NAME IS CARMEN FIGUEROA, AND
I ASK THE COMMITTEE NOT TO
ALLOW THE COMPANIES TO WITHHOLD
ANY PAYMENT FROM ORDERS.
EVEN IF THEY HAVE EVIDENCE OF
FRAUD WE ALL KNOW HOW THEY
OPERATE.
THEY WOULD USE AN EXCUSE TO PAY
DRIVERS LESS KEEPING THE PROFIT
FOR THEMSELVES.
NO OTHER COMPANY ALLOWS THE PAY
-- COMPLETING ORDERS LATE IS
NOT AN INDICATOR OF FLASH
FLOOD.
F RAUD.
THERE ARE COUNTLESS REASONS
THAT A DRIVER COULD BE LATE.
THE DRIVER COULD RECEIVE ORDERS
AFTER THE ORDER IS DUE.
THE APP WANTS TIME AND MILEAGE
AS IT CALCULATES THE ORDER
READY FOR PICK UP.
THIS IS A BEST GUESS.
>> THANK YOU, CARMEN.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS RICHARD
FOLLOWED BY SHELBY.
>> HI.
I'M CALLING ABOUT -- YEVMENT
HI.
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES.
THANK YOU.
>> OKAY.
COUNCILMEMBERS, I AM RICHARD
AND I LIVE IN ARBOR HEIGHTS,
COUCILMEMBER HERBOLD'S
DISTRICT.
I'M A PERSONAL CHEF AND MY
PARTNER AND I WORK FROM HOME,
AND WE LOVE DOGS AND USE WILLER
WITH TO HELPS WITH YOU OUR PET-
SITTING THABS WE OPERATE ON THE
SIDE.
I AM CONCERNED THAT WAS MADE
WITHOUT SIGNIFICANT AMENDMENTS
THAT COULD HURT OTHER SERVICE
TYPE PROVIDERS WITHOUT ME.
I PROVIDE A SAFE ENVIRONMENT
FOR PETS OVER THE COURSE OF
DAYS, NOT MINUTES OR HOURS,
AND UNLIKE DELIVERY SERVICES, I
HAVE FULL CONTROL OVER WHAT
RATES I CHARGE, WHEN I
ADVERTISE MY SERVICES ON ROVER.
BUT PROBLEM THAT THE COUNCIL
IS TRYING TO SOLVE ARE PROBLEMS
THAT I DO NOT HAVE AS A PET
SITTER AND APPLYING TO PROPOSAL
TO ROVER WOULD NOT HELP US.
WE ASK THAT YOU AMEND THIS BILL
AND PROTECT THE FREEDOM THAT
PET SITTERS USING ROVER HAVE TO
BUILD OUR BUSINESS.
>> THANK YOU, RICHARD.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS SHELBY
FOLLOWED BY ASHLEY.
SHELBY?
>> GOOD MORNING.
THE PROPOSED AMENDMENT, THE
MARKETPLACE APPS AND THE PAY UP
POLICY.
AFTER FIGHTING FOR PAY UP AND
SERVICE INCLUDING THE THOUSANDS
OF WORKERS, IT DOESN'T MAKE
SENSE TO DISINFRANCHISE A GROUP
OF WORKERS WHO RELY ON GIG
WORK.
AS A ROVER WALKER, I'M ALLOWED
TO SET MY OWN RATES AND I AM
HIGHLY ENCOURAGED TO KEEP THEM
LOW TO COMPETE WITH OTHER
WORKERS IN A DOG EAT DOG WORLD
FOR WORKERS.
ROVER TAKES 20%, AND WE TAKE
ON A LOT OF RESPONSIBILITIES
AND LIABILITIES ARE NOT
REALIZED AS WE ARE NOT JUST DOG
WALKERS.
NOT ONLY DO WE CARE FOR YOUR
FOUR-LEGGED FAMILY MEMBER AND
BECOME THEIR NURSES AND GIVE
THEM MEDICINE IF THEY ARE SICK
AND YOUR SECURITY GUARDS IF
THEY STAY OVERNIGH, AND WE
MAKE SURE THEY LAWYER CARED
THEY SAID FOR.
WE DO MEETS AND GREETS.
>> THANK YOU.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS ASHLEY
FOLLOWED BY MA.
ASHLEY?
ASHLEY, WE SEE YOU ARE UNMUTED
BUT WE CAN'T HEAR YOU.
YOU'RE MUTED.
HIT STAR SIX, PLEASE.
>> GOOD MORNING, CHAIR HERBOLD
AND MEMBERS OF THE COMMITTEE.
I AM THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AT
TECH NET REPRESENTING
WASHINGTON AND NORTHWEST AND WE
RESPECTFULLY OPPOSE THE
PROPOSAL.
WE HAVE DELIVERIES FOR THE
ELDERLY AND IMMUNOCOMPROMISED
DURING THE PANDEMIC, AND RECORD
INFLATION AND GAS PRICES
CONTINUE TO SURGE WHICH IS WHY
THE COUNCIL MUST GET THIS
POLICY RIGHT TO HAVE AVOID
HARMING THE COMMUNITY IT SPEAKS
TO SAFEGUARD.
TO DATE THE COUNCIL HAS YET TO
STUDY THE POLICY AND PRICE
HIKES FOR EVERY ASPECT OF THE
APP BASED ECONOMY LEAVES TO
FEWER OPPORTUNITIES FOR DRIVERS
AND DAMAGE THE PLATFORM.
WE RESPECTFULLY ASK THE
PLATFORM TO PAUSE AND
THOROUGHLY STUDY THE PROPOSAL
BEFORE MOVING FORWARD.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS MA
HERNANDEZ.
>> [ SPEAKING FOREIGN
LANGUAGE ]
[ SPEAKING FOREIGN LANGUAGE ]
>>> IN ORDER TO RETALIATE
AGAINST THE PAY UP CAMPAIGN, IT
WAS SOMETHING THAT WITH
CRITICAL PAY AND ACCOUNTABILITY
ISN'T TOO MUCH TO ASK FOR
ESPECIALLY WITH THE USE OF MY
CAR.
I RIDE ALONG AND I SEE WHAT IT
TAKES TO DO THIS TYPE OF WORK.
COMPANIES HAVE BEEN CALLED UP
WITH CUSTOMERS THAT GENEROUSLY
GIVE AND YOU WANT US TO LOOK
LIKE THE BAD GUYS.
THERE IS A GROWTH OF 147
BILLION.
WE NEED THE POLICY TO PASS NOW.
IT CAN'T WAIT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND FOR THE INTERPRETATION AS
WELL.
NEXT BETH FOLLOWED BY DANIELLE.
>> HELLO?
>> HI.
>> HELLO.
I AM ELIZABETH JACKSON.
I AM A DASHER FOR DOORDASH OUT
OF SEATTLE.
I WAS A PARAMEDIC AND GOT LIVER
CANCER AND WAS TOLD I COULDN'T
WORK AGAIN.
DOORDASH FIVE YEARS AGO GAVE ME
THE OPPORUNITY TO SUPPORT MY
FAMILY IN THE PANDEMIC.
IF I LOSE -- I'M SORRY.
I AM EMOTIONAL BECAUSE THIS JOB
SAVED ME AND MY FAMILY FROM
BEING HOMELESS.
I HAVE TO SEE DOCTORS FOR MY
CANCER CONSTANTLY AND WITH
DOORDASH, I HAVE THE MEANS TO
GO SEE MY DOCTOR.
I CAN TAKE A BREAK AND MY
DOCTOR SAYS THERE'S A DONOR,
LET'S GO.
I DON'T HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY
WITH OTHER JOBS.
I MEAN, AS ALWAYS OF US ARE
GOING THROUGH THIS HARD TIME
RIGHT NOW ESPECIALLY THE
PANDEMIC AND THE RISE IN GAS
AND INFLATION, THIS JOB HAS
DONE A LOT FOR ME.
I OPPOSE AGAINST PAY UP.
I WISH YOU WOULD REALLY
CONSIDER EVALUATING IT AGAIN.
>> THANK YOU.
WE HAVE REACHED THE END OF OUR
PUBLIC COMMENT TIME, AND WE
HAVE A SEPARATE PUBLIC HEARING
ON MAY 5 BUT WE HAVE A LOT OF
SPOKES IN CUE TO SPEAK ON
COUNCIL BILL 120294.
I AM HOPING WE CAN SUSPEND THE
RULES TO GIVE US 10 MORE
MINUTES GIVING US 30 MINUTES
TOTAL OF PUBLIC COMMENT.
HEARING NO OBJECTION, WE WILL
HAVE AN ADDITIONAL 10 MINUTES.
WE HAVE DANIELLE EDEN.
DANIELLE?
DANIELLE, YOU ARE SHOWING AS
MUTED.
YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX, PLEASE?
ONE MORE, DANIELLE.
IF YOU CAN HIT STAR SIX.
THAT WILL UNMUTE AND WE WILL BE
ABLE TO HEAR YOU.
I'M SORRY.
WE WILL HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE
NEXT PERSON AND KIMBERLY WOLF
IS SHOWING NOT PRESENT, AND WE
WILL MOVE DOWN TO ABBY.
ABBY?
LET'S SEE
>> ABBY IS NOT PRESENT.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
AND MOVING DOWN TO SAZAO REYNA.
>> HELLO?
CAN YOU HEAR ME?
>> YES.
>> HELLO.
IS IT OKAY TO GO AHEAD AND
SHARE?
>> GO AHEAD.
>> OKAY.
COOL.
ALL RIGHT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT
MY EXPERIENCE AS A GIG ECONOMY
WORKER IN SEATTLE.
I'VE HAD A COUPLE OF DIFFERENT
ISSUES.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO STICK TO
THE ONES THAT ARE RELEVANT TO,
YOU KNOW, THE TOPICS TODAY.
ONE BIG ISSUE THAT I'VE HAD IS
THAT I HAVEN'T BEEN ABLE TO GET
SUPPORT TO BE TRANSPARENT OR
FOR THEM TO LIST FEEDBACK AND
THE PLATFORMS THAT I HAVE BEEN
USING WITH UBER EATS AND POST
MATES.
ONE OF THE BIG ISSUES I HAVE IS
THE WEST SEATTLE BRIDGE.
I REMEMBER I WOULD GET SO MANY
RIDE WHERE IS I WOULD -- IT
JUST DOESN'T BE A HIGH PAY
BECAUSE IT WOULD CALCULATE IT
AS OPEN, AND WHEN I DID THE
DELIVERY, IT WAS NINE OR 10 OR
12, AND IT WAS A HUGE AMOUNT OF
DISTANCE.
I UNDERSTAND THE MATH MIGHT BE
NOT -- IT MIGHT NOT BE MAPPED
OUT, THE ROUTE.
BUT MY ISSUE --
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
I HAVE HEARD THAT STORY ABOUT
APP WORKERS.
PLEASE FEEL FREE TO AMEND YOUR
TESTIMONY.
AND WE HAVE LEAH FOLLOWED BY
DEAN.
>> HELLO.
I AM LEE A AND I LIVE IN
SEATTLE AND USE THE DELIVERY
APPS DUE TO THE PANDEMIC.
ALL WORKERS DESERVE TO BE PAID
IN A FAIRWAY.
I SUPPORT THE PAY UP POLICY AND
STRENGTHENING THE RIGHTS OF GIG
WORKERS.
TIPS ARE NOT WAGES.
THEY SHOULD BE PAID MINIMUM
WAGE WITHOUT EXCEPTION.
CHARGE ME FOR FEES.
I DON'T CARE.
I WANT MY COMMUNITY MEMBERS TO
BE PAID FAIRLY AND T█HE
COMPANIES NEED TO DIP INTO THE
COMMUNITY PROFITS AND PAY UP.
>> THANK YOU AND THE NEXT
SPEAKER IS DEAN FOLLOWED BY
STACY.
DEAN?
>> HELLO.
I AM A VOTER IN DISTRICT FOUR
AND A DRIVER FOR GRUBHUB.
I AM HERE TO DEMAND THAT
COUNCIL TAKE ACTION.
IN 2022, I LEFT MY JOB DUE TO A
COMBINATION OF BURN OUT AND
CHRONIC MIGRAINES.
THIS ALLOWS ME TO PAY FOR
NECESSARY IES AND WE HAVE GAS
AND VEHICLE MAINTENANCE, AND
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR PAYING
FEDERAL TAX AS EMPLOYEE AND
EMPLOYER AND I'VE HEARD THE
ARGUMENT THAT IF THE DRIVES
WORK ENOUGH HOURS THEY WOULD
MAKE ENOUGH TO SURVIVE.
I WORK BEEN 40 AND 50 HOURS A
WEEK, WE ARE NOT ASKING FOR
OUTRAGEOUS DEMANDS OF THE
COMPANIES.
WE ARE ASKING ENOUGH TO COVER
THE BASIC MEANS TO KEEP OUR
VEHICLES RUNNING AND KNOW WHAT
WE ARE AGREEING TO.
WE ARE ASKING FOR THE ABILITY
TO CONTINUE TO DO THIS WORK.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME.
>> THANK YOU.
OUR NEXT SPEAKER IS DEAN WHO IS
SHOWING AS NOT PRESENT.
AND SORRY -- STACY CAMPOS.
STACY IS SHOWING AS NOT PRESENT
AND STACY IS FOLLOWED BY TERESA
WHO IS ALSO SHOWING AS NOT
PRESENT.
>> HI.
YOU CAN HEAR ME?
>> I CAN.
>> HELLO?
HI.
I AM HERE TO SUPPORT PAY UP BUT
NOT THE LOOPHOLES.
I'M A CUSTOMER WITH A
DISABILITY AND HAVING IN
INSTACART IS HELPFUL TO ME BUT
I AM NOT CONFIDENT THAT PEOPLE
ARE PAID FAIRLY.
I USED TO BE A WAITER WHEN THEY
HAD A SPECIAL WAITER MINIMUM
WAGE AND OUR PAYCHECKS WERE
LIKE $35.
BUT YOU CAN'T COUNT TIPS AS
WAGES, NOT EVERYBODY TIPS.
OF
-- I DON'T FEEL TO HAVE USE
THESE SERVICES BECAUSE THERE IS
NOT TRANSPARENCY.
I DON'T KNOW WHO IS GETTING
PAID PROPERLY.
I DON'T WANT TO BE PART OF THE
PROBLEM.
PAY UP HELPS, TRANSPARENCY.
THANKS.
>> THANK YOU.
THE NEXT SPEAKER IS MICHELLE
BALZEL FOLLOWED BY MARY.
MICHELLE?
>> HELLO?
>> HELLO.
>> OKAY.
I AM OBVIOUSLY CALLING IN ABOUT
THE GIG AN A INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS HAVE THE RIGHT TO
KNOW THE TERMS OF THE JOB PRIOR
TO ACCEPTING.
HIDING TIPS VIOLATES THAT, AND
INSTACART HAS A STRONG
REPUTATION FOR MISAPPROPRIATING
TIPS, AND WE ASKED FOR
TRANSPARENCY.
THERE IS NO BENEFICIAL FOR
HIDING TIPS OR PAY AND IT
RESULTS IN RETURNING THE
CUSTOMER TIPS IN SUBSIDIZED
PAY.
AND IT IS NOW THAT THEY NEED
THE TIPS TO SUBSIDIZE THEIR
PAY.
ORDERS WILL BE ACCEPTED WITH
CONFIDENCE THAT IT ISN'T
COSTING THE WORKER ANY MONEY.
THE AMENDMENT IS UNACCEPTABLE.
WE NEED TO BE PAID FOR ALL OF
OUR TIME AND UNFORESEEN
CIRCUMSTANCES AND WE SHOULDN'T
BE --
>> THANKS, MICHELLE, AND MARY
WILL BE OUR LAST SPEAKER HAVING
SUSPENDED PUBLIC COMMENTS AND
HAVING HEARD FROM FOLKS FOR I
THINK MORE THAN 30 MINUTES AT
THIS POINT.
MARY, TAKE IT AWAY.
THANK YOU.
>> HI.
I'M MARY.
I'M CALLING THROUGH A SIGN
LANGUAGE INTERPRETER.
I WORK FOR INSTACART.
I WANTED TO SHARE MY
EXPERIENCE.
I KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF
WORKERS THAT WORK FOR
INSTACART.
THEY ARE HIRING A LOT OF NEW
WORKERS TO ACCEPT THE NEW
WAGES.
WHEN I STARTED WORKING FOR
INSTACART, IT WAS GOOD PAY AND
I HAVE SEEN IT GET LESS AND
LESS OVER THE YEARS, AND IT'S
HARDER TO PAY MY BILLS AND
ALLOCATE MY MONEY TO WHERE I
NEED IT TO.
I HOPE THAT THE COUNCIL
RESEARCHES THE PAYOUT BILL AND
THINKS ABOUT US WORKERS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
OKAY.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME HERE
TODAY AS WELL AS EVERYBODY ELSE
WHO HAS TAKEN THIS TIME OUT
TODAY TO SHARE THOUGHTS ABOUT
THE ITEMS ON THE AGENDA.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ IN
ITEM NUMBER ONE.
>> COMMITTEE AGENDA NUMBER
NUMBER ONE, THE ORDINANCE
RELATING TO CIVILIAN AND
COMMUNITY OVERSIGHT FOR POLICE
FOR ESTABLISHING A PROCESS IN
INVESTIGATING COMPLAINTS NAMING
THE CHIEF OF POLICE, ADDING A
NEW SUBCHAPTER FIVE TO CHAPTER
3.29 OF THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
CODE AND AMENDING SECTION 49 OF
ORDINANCE 125315 TO RENUMBER
THE EXISTING SUBCHAPTER 5 OF
CHAPTER 3.29 AND SECTIONS
3.29.500 AND 3.29.510 OF THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> THANK YOU AND WE ARE JOINED
BY SENIOR DEPUTIOR MAYOR
HARRELL AND LISA JUDGE
INSPECTOR GENERAL AND THIS WILL
ADDRESS AN ISSUE FROM THE 2027
ACCOUNTABILITY ORDINANCE.
THAT LED TO A LACK OF CLARITY.
I BECAME AWARE OF THIS ISSUE
WHERE I REACHED OUT TO THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AND INSPECTOR
GENERAL TO ESTABLISH A CLEAR
AND FAIR PROCESS AS MUCH AS
POSSIBLE.
AGAIN, THE DRAFT BILL IS NOT
YET INTRODUCED THOUGH WE WOULD
LIKE TO INTRODUCE IT IN ORDER
TO HEAR IT BEFORE OUR COMMITTEE
MEETING ON JUNE 14th.
AND BEFORE I THAT OVER TO
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF, I WANT
TO THANK DEPUTY MAYOR HARRELL
AND INSPECTOR GENERAL JUDGE FOR
THEIR COOPERATION ON THIS
LEGISLATION.
I JUST WANT TO -- BEFORE WE
MOVE INTO THE CENTRAL STAFF
DESCRIPTION OF THE BILL, I WANT
TO THAT OVER TO BOTH OF YOU FOR
YOUR COMMENT.
DEPUTY MAYOR HAIR SMELL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH,
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD.
I WANT TO THANK YOU AND YOUR
LEADERSHIP FOR ALLOWING ME TO
JOIN YOU TODAY AND ON THIS
BILL.
THIS WAS DONE IN THE SPIRIT OF
WORKING TOGETHER.
THE DRAFT ORDINANCE THAT WE
WILL BE DISCUSS ING AND
REVIEWING IS THE JOINT
COLLABORATION OF THE COUNCIL
AND THE MAYOR'S OFFICE, AND
THAT'S WHAT I THINK MAKES IT A
REALLY GOOD BASIS FOR US TO
BEGIN FROM.
AND THE LEGISLATION STRIKES THE
RIGHT BALANCE BETWEEN THE
ECONOMY OF THE AUTHORITY OF THE
OPA DIRECTOR WITH THE OVERSIGHT
RESPONSIBILITIES OF THE OIG FOR
PUBLIC SAFETY.
THIS BILL IMPROVES AND
AMPLIFIES AND INCREASES
TRANSPARENCY WHICH WE ALL
REALLY CARRADINELY CARE DEEPLY
ABOUT.
FROM A LOOKY ON THE FIRST DAY
UP TO THE CHIEF, THE COMPLAINTS
ARE IMPORTANT AND WE SHOULD
HAVE THE COMPLAINTS PROPERLY
INVESTIGATED AND GIVE US A
PATHWAY INTO KNOWING WHAT WE DO
IF THERE ARE COMPLAINTS AT THE
TOP.
I REALLY APPRECIATE
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD'S ONGOING
ENGAGEMENT AND SUPPORT AROUND
THE ISSUES AS SHE MOVES THIS
PROPOSAL FORWARD AND WE LOOK
FORWARD TO DOING THIS WORK
TOGETHER.
SO, THANK YOU AGAIN,
COUNCILMEMBER.
>> THANK YOU.
INSPECTOR GENERAL JUDGE?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD AND
COUNCILMEMBERS.
I KNOW WE'RE OVER TIME AND I
WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON
COLLABORATION AND MY
APPRECIATION FOR INCLUDING
STAKEHOLDERS IN THE PROCESS AND
BE IN A PLACE TO CLOSE THE GAP
AND MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PROCESS
MONTH MAKE SENSE WITH THE
APPROPRIATE BACK STAFF AND
THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP
AND COLLABORATION.
>> THANK YOU FOR WORKING WITH
US.
YOU WANT TO TAKE IT AWAY AND
WALK US THROUGH THE CONTEXT OF
THE BILL.
>> SURE.
GOOD MORNING.
ANN GORMAN AND THANK YOU
COUNCILMEMBERS AND CHAIR
HERBOLD.
THIS IS NOT SPECIFICALLY
DESCRIBED IN THE ORDINANCE, THE
TREATMENT OF COMPLAINTS IN THE
OFFICE OF ACCOUNTABILITY, OPA,
AND THEY HAVE FOUND THIS TO BE
WARRANTED THUS THE
INVESTIGATION.
IT'S HAVEN'T TO CREATE A
PROCESS FOR THE COMPLAINTS
BECAUSE UNDER CURRENT PRACTICE
ALL COMPLAINTS TO OPA WERE LEFT
TO THE CHIEF AND THE CHIEF
MAKES THE FINAL DECISION ON
INVESTIGATIVE FINDINGS AND
IMPOSITION OF ANY DISCIPLINE.
DRAFT BILL CREATES A ROLE FOR
THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR
GENERAL OR OIG WHICH IS
INDEPENDENT FROM OPA.
TO CREATE NEW RULES FOR EXCUSE
ME, OIG PRECEDES A CONFLICT OF
INTEREST IN THAT OPA IS
ADMINISTRATIVELY HOUSED WENT
SEATTLE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I WILL GIVE AN EXAMPLE OF THE
OIG SPECIFIC RULE OR COMPLAINTS
SPECIFICALLY WHEN OPA RECEIVED
A COMPLAINT ABOUT AN SPD
EMPLOYEE, THE STAFF FORMED A
COMPLAINT INTAKE AND
PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION.
FOR A COMPLAINT THAT NAMES THE
CHIEF OF POLICE, THE DRAFT BILL
WOULD HAVE OIG REVIEW AND HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO DISAGREE
WITH IT.
AND IF OPA AND OIG DISAGREE
ABOUT THAT CLASSIFICATION, THEN
OIG'S DISCRIMINATION WILL
STAND.
THIS PARTICIPATION BY OIG IS
CONSISTENT WITH THE CURRENT
OVERSIGHT RULE.
THAT ORDINANCE ALSO DOES NOT
CURRENTLY REQUIRE THAT ELECTED
OFFICIALS AND ACCOUNTABILITY
STAKEHOLDERS ARE KEPT APPRISED
OF INVESTIGATIONS NAMING THE
CHIEF OF POLICE.
INCLUDING THE CHUNNEL PRESIDENT
AND THE PUBLIC SAFETY
COMMITTEE, CITY ATTORNEY AND
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR AND CHAIRS
OF THE POLICE COMMISSION.
THE DRAFT BILL CREATES NEW
NOTIFICATION REQUIREMENTS FOR
THE ELECTIONS AND STAKEHOLDERS,
MOST SIGNIFICANTLY EITHER OPA
OR OIG MUST NOTIFY THEM WHEN AN
INVESTIGATION AGAINST THE CHIEF
WOULD BE CONDUCTED, AND THE
MAYOR MUST PROVIDE THEM WITH --
EXCUSE ME, THE FINDINGS OF THE
COMPLETE INVESTIGATION AND
WHETHER HE OR SHE WILL IMPOSE
DISCIPLINARY ACTION AND THE
FRAMEWORK BY THE CITY CHIEF OR
STAFF OR APPROPRIATE OR BY AN
INDEPENDENT THIRD PARTY AND
CREATES A NEW ROLE FOR THE
SEATTLE DIFFERENT HUMAN
RESOURCES INVESTIGATION UNIT.
THAT ROLE IS CREATED WHERE
COMPLAINT ALLEGATIONS WITH THE
EQUAL OPPORTUNITY ACT -- WHERE
IT CONCERNS HARASSMENT FOR
EXAMPLE.
OPA DOES NOT HAVE A STAFF
MEMBER TO INVESTIGATE THE
COMPLAINTS, AND SPECIFICALLY
WHEN THEY COME IN TO OPA, OPA
CONSULTS WITH SPD HUMAN
RESOURCES WHO DOES HAVE A STAFF
MEMBER.
IN THE DRAFT BILL, THE
COMPLAINTS THAT ALLEGE A
VIOLATION OF EQUAL EMPLOYMENT
OPPORTUNITY ACTS THAT NAME THE
CHIEF OF POLICE MAY BE
INVESTIGATED BY THE HR
INVESTIGATION UNIT OR A THIRD
IS PARTY.
THIS DRAFT BILL IS PENDING BY A
LEGAL REVIEW WITH SUBJECT
MATTER HEADS OF EACH
DEPARTMENT.
>> THANK YOU, ANN.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM
SENIOR DISCIPLINE MAYOR HARRELL
OR INSPECTOR GENERAL JUDGE
BEFORE I GO TO MY
COUNCILMEMBERS?
>> THANK YOU.
>> YES, THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBERS DO YOU HAVE
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS?
WE HAVE DEFINITELY BEEN WORKING
ON THIS BILL FOR AN AMOUNT OF
TIME AND I WANT TO SLOW ROLL
IT, AND AS I OFTEN DO WITH
LEGISLATION AS I AM PROPOSING,
AND YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ABOUT
THE BILL, I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR
THEM NOW OR AFTER THE MEETING.
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN, I SEE
YOUR HAND UP
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD AND
DEPUTY MAYOR HARRELL AND
INSPECTOR JUDGE AND CENTRAL
OFFICER, AND ANN GORMAN.
THANK YOU.
AND THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD
FOR BRINGING THIS TO US EARLY.
AND MY COMMENT IS WE GOT A
LETTER FROM THE COMMUNITY
POLICE COMMISSION AND I WANT TO
TAKE IT INTO ACCOUNT AS WE
CONSIDER THE BILL.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
OTHER QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT.
THIS WAS -- OH, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON, I DIDN'T SEE YOUR HAND
UP.
>> I'M SORRY IF I MISSED IT.
WHEN DID YOU THINK IT WOULD
COME BEFORE THE COMMITEE?
>> MY HOPE IS WE WOULD HEAR AN
INTRODUCED VERSION OF THE BILL
ON JUNE 14th.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
>> MY BIRTHDAY FOR ANYBODY WHO
CARES.
>> ALL RIGHT.
GREAT.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.
AND AGAIN, APPRECIATE THIS
LIGHT TOUCH AND MORE
CONVERSATIONS TO COME.
>> THANK YOU.
>> WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ
INTO THE AGENDA THE NEXT TIME.
>> THE PUBLIC SAFETY
PRESENTATION FOR BRIEFING AND
DISCUSSION.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
WE ARE JOINED BY A NUMBER OF
PRESENTERS TODAY.
I WOULD LIKE TO ASK THAT YOU
INTRODUCE YOURSELF WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE
NEIGHBORHOOD REPRESENTATIVES,
AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON HOSTED
WITH THE CITY LIGHT COMMITTEE
SOME OF THE LEADERS OF THE
DISTRICTS WHICH HAVE A
PROPOSAL.
WE HAVE INVITED THEM TO SHARE
WITH US.
THE PRESENTATION IS LINKED TO
THE AGENDA.
AT THE SAME TIME, THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE HAS DONE GREAT WORK TO
DISCUSS ISSUES IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS, ISSUES
RELATED TO THE PUBLIC SAFETY
CHALLENGES THAT THEY ARE
DEALING WITH IN TRYING TO
DESIGN SOMETHING TAILORED TO
INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCES OF
PUBLIC SAFETY CHALLENGES.
SO FAR ICH ALSO INVITED THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE TO PROVIDE THE
UPDATE ON THE COMMITTEE FOR THE
WORK THAT THEY ARE DOING AND
BEFORE WORKING TO THE
DEMONSTRATION, AND WITH THAT,
LET'S DO A QUICK ROUND OF
INTRODUCTIONS.
THEN I WILL HAND IT BACK OVER.
>> HI.
GOOD MORNING.
I AM ERIC GOODMAN, EXECUTIVE
DIRECT
>> I'M DON BLAKENEY, THE
EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE
UNIVERSITY PARTNER SHVMENT
THANK YOU FOR JOINING US.
>> I'M LISA HOWARD, EXECUTIVE
DIRECT FOR FOR THE ALLIANCE OF
PIONEER SQUARE.
>> GOOD MORNING.
QUYNH PHAM, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR
OF THE FRIEND OF LITTLE SAIGON.
>> SORRY.
I AM SAM WOLFF.
I AM THE PROJECT MANAGER FOR
THE LEAD PROGRAM.
>> AND IT LOOK LIKE PUBLIC
SAFETY DIRECTOR MYERBERG IS NOT
TO THE SCREEN.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE IS HAVING
DIFFICULTY GETTING IN.
I KNOW OF THIS WASN'T AS WE
PLANNED.
I KNOW WE HAD PLANNED TO HAVE
DIRECTOR MYERBERG TALK ABOUT
THE WORK WITH WHAT LEAD IS
DOING BUT ARE YOU PREPARED TO
DO THE WHOLE THING?
>> SURE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO START NOW OR
DO THE SLIDE --
>> I THINK WE WANT TO HEAR WHAT
IS GOING ON BEFORE HEARING FROM
THE BUSINESS REPRESENTATIVES
ABOUT WHAT MORE THEY WOULD LIKE
IT SEE DONE.
>> SURE, SURE.
I AM SAM, A PROJECT MANAGER FOR
THE LEAD PROGRAM.
AND WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH
ANDREW MYERBERG THE DISTRICT
DOING CASE CONFERENCES ABOUT
SOME PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES THAT
THE U DISTRICT HAS
PARTNERSHIPPED WITH FLAG.
BASICALLY, LEAD IS A FRAMEWORK
FOR FIGURING OUT WHAT NEEDS TO
BE DONE IN ANY GIVEN SITUATION.
WE DO THIS SORT OF CASE
CONFERENCING ON A REGULAR BASIS
IN WHAT WE CALL OPERATIONAL
WORK GROUPS.
THIS IS PRIMARILY OUR CASE
MANAGERS COMING TOGETHER WITH
THE PROSCUTORIAL LIAISON, AND
WE CAN WORK ON BOTH OF THOSE
THINGS AT THE SAME TIME AND
MAKE SURE IS THAT WE ARE IN
SYNC.
THESE OPERATIONAL WORK GROUPS
ALSO INCLUDE LAW ENFORCEMENT,
OTHER SERVICE PROVIDERS AND
COMMUNITY MEMBERS.
THE BASIC THEORY OF THE CASE
CONFERENCING IS TO BRING MORE
PARTNERS TO THE TABLE AND ALIGN
THE MEMBERS IN COMPLEMENTARY
WAYS TO ACHIEVE LONG-TERM
CHANGE.
WE HAVE ADDITIONAL PARTNERS AT
THE TABLE THAT ALLOW THE CASE
CONFERENCING TO ADDRESS MORE
NEEDS AND THE U DISTRICT
PARTNERSHIP, AND THEY WITH
THEIR OUTREACH -- AND WITH
THEIR NEIGHBORHOOD CONNECTIONS,
THEY HAVE BEEN ABLE TO CREATE A
LIST FLAGS THESE SITUATIONS AND
INDIVIDUAL THAT IS THE
NEIGHBORHOOD IS SEEING A LOT OR
LIKE ARE CAUSING PUBLIC SAFETY
ISSUES FOR THE COMMUNITY.
NOW, WITH THAT INFORMATION,
LEAD IS ABLE TO KIND OF MORE
ACCURATELY TARGET THE LIMITED
RESOURCES AND CASELOADS TO WORK
WITH INDIVIDUALS,
AND WORK WOULD HAVE THE MOST
POSITIVE IMPACT ON THE
COMMUNITY.
SO FOR ANYONE THAT IS NOT
FAMILIAR WITH LEAD, LEAD WORKS
SPECIFIC HE WITH PEOPLE
COMMITTING LAW VIOLATIONS WITH
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH ISSUES SUCH
AS SUBSTANCE DISORDER AND WE
WORK WITH THOSE FOLKS AND THEY
HAVE A CASEWORKER AND WE WORK
WITH THEM TO CREATE BEHAVIOR
CHANGE, AND THIS IS A LARGE
TASK ITS THINGS SUCH AS GETTING
HOUSING AND LEGAL INCOME AND
PEOPLE WHO NEED SUPPORT
ESPECIALLY BECAUSE A LOT OF OUR
CLIENTS ARE FOLKS WHO HAVE BEEN
WITHOUT SUPPORT OR RESOURCES
FOR MANY YEARS.
THIS IS WHERE ANDREW HAS
STEPPED IN.
AGAIN, THIS PROJECT IN THE U
DIRECT IS IN A VERY EARLY
STAGE.
WE WE HAVE THE COMMUNITY FLAGS
NEEDS AND WE CAN HELP TO STREAM
LINE THE PROCESS IF ANYONE IS
READY TO GO INSIDE AND GET THE
RESOURCES READY FOR THEM TO
MORE EFFECTIVELY AND
EFFICIENTLY RESOLVE THE PUBLIC
SAFETY CONCERNS.
YEAH.
I THINK WE ARE PLEASED TO HAVE
THE ADDITIONAL PARTNERS
INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS, AND
IN GENERAL, THIS TYPE OF CASE
CONFERENCING WORKS BEST WHEN
ALL THE PLAYERS AT THE TABLE
ARE MEANINGFULLY ENGAGED IN THE
DIALOGUE AND WE ARE PLEASED TO
BE WORKING WITH ANDREW AND THE
ADMINISTRATION TO BUILD THE
FRAMEWORK TO ALLOW US TO WHAT
NEEDED TO BE DONE AND VERY
EARLY STAGES BUT HOPING TO
REPLICATE IT ELSEWHERE AND
FIGURE OUT WHAT WE NEED TO DO
TO MAKE IT WORK BETTER.
>> I'M SORRY.
I AM CHIMING IN LATE BUT THANK
YOU, SAM, FOR SETTING THE TABLE
FOR THAT.
BUT JUST TO PROVIDE MORE DETAIL
HOW THIS CAME TO BE AND SOME OF
THE WHY AS TO WHY WE ARE DOING
THIS, AND EVERYTHING SAM SAID
IS TOTALLY RIGHT.
WHERE THIS CAME FROM IS REALLY
EARLY ON.
AND WHEN I JOINED THE
ADMINISTRATION, THE HARRELL
ADMINISTRATION WE WENT FOR A
WALK THROUGH FOR THE U DISTRICT
AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON WAS
THERE AND COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN WAS THERE, AND THEY
PUT THIS TOGETHER AND THERE WAS
SIGNIFICANTLY PUBLIC SAFETY
IMPACTS SPECIFICALLY ON
NEIGHBORHOODS AND BUSINESS
DISTRICTS.
WHEN WE STARTED TO PULL DATE
AND HEAT MAPS OF CRIME WE SAW
CRIME WAS CORRELATING IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AS WELL SO THE U
DIRECT, PIONEER SQUARE, SODO,
AND CIBDIA, THAT'S WHERE THE
DATA SHOWS.
THE CONCEPT BEHIND THE WORK WAS
TO TAKE A MODEL THAT WE THOUGHT
WAS PRODUCTIVE, THE OPERATIONAL
WORK GROUP MODEL THAT LEE USES
TO MOVE TO A NEIGHBORHOOD FOCUS
AS OPPOSED TO A PRECINCT FOCUS.
ONE OF THE REASON YES
YESTERDAY WE WANTED TO DO THAT
IS SINCE 2020, WE HAVE BEEN OUT
OF PRACTICE, AND WE ARE
STRETCHED REALLY THIN AND
PARTICIPATION IN THE WORK
GROUPS IS NOT AS ROBUST AS IN
THE PAST.
SO WAS THERE A WAY TO FOCUS ON
WHAT IS THE BIGGEST IMPACT AND
GET A COMMUNIT VOICE TO HEAR
DIRECTLY FROM THE PEOPLE ON THE
GROUND WHICH IS IN A LOT OF THE
CASES, THE BUSINESS
ORGANIZATIONS, THE BUSINESSS
AND COMMUNITY MEMBERS THAT THEY
REPRESENT AS TO WHAT THE
IMPACTS ARE.
THE U DISTRICT WAS AN
INTERESTING PLACE TO START.
A LOT OF WHAT THEY WERE SEEING
WAS CRISIS ORIENTED.
THERE WERE CRIMES, CERTAINLY
SHOPLIFT AND DRUG USE AND A LOT
WAS THAN OPPOSED TO HIGHER-
LEVEL CRIME.
THERE WAS THAT THERE BUT THAT'S
WHAT WE WERE SEEING IN THE U
DISTRICT PREDOMINANTLY.
WE FELT THIS WAS A GOOD SET OF
BEHAVIORS TO BRING LEAD TO.
SO THE FIRST STEP -- LET ME
BACK UP TOO.
I THINK WHAT WE REALIZED IS
WITH THE CURRENT RESOURCES,
THERE IS NO WAY TO ADDRESS
THESE ISSUES IF YOU DON'T DO IT
HOLISTICALLY.
WE DENTE
DON'T HAVE ENOUGH POLICE
OFFICERS IF YOU WANTED TO MAKE
ARRESTS AND ARRESTING PEOPLE
FOR PARTICULARLY LOW-LEVEL
MISDEMEANOR CRIMES AND NOT
REPEAT MISDEMEANOR CRIMES I AM
NOT SURE THAT WILL AFFECT THE
UNDERLYING BEHAVIOR.
SO COULD WE GO IN THERE AND
ENGAGE AND WORK WITH LEAD AND
GET PEOPLE INTO SHELTERS AND
GET THE CASE PLANS AND THUS TRY
AND ELIMINATE THE CONDITIONS
CAUTION THE ACTIVITY AND NOT
ONLY REMOVE PEOPLE FROM THE
SHELTERS AND ALLOW LAW
ENFORCEMENT TO FOCUS THE
ALREADY-LIMITED RESOURCES ON
PREDATORY, DRUG DEALERS THAT
ARE TARGETING PEOPLE THAT ARE
MORE VULNERABLE AND AGAIN, THAT
WAS THE PURPOSE OF DOING THIS
WORK.
THE FIRST STEP WHEN WE WORKED
OUT THE PROGRAM WAS TO WORK
WITH THE BI As TO DEVELOP THE
LIST OF PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT,
AND I WANT TO KICK THIS OVER
QUICKLY TO DON BECAUSE TON AND
HIS MULTIFACETED TEAM DID A
PROGRAM AMOUNT OF WORK TO
DEVELOP THE LEFT AND IF YOU
COULD SPEND A MINUTE OR TWO
TALKING THROUGH HOW YOU DO THAT
AND WHAT THE LIST LOOKED LIKE
AND THE SIZE OF THE LIST, THAT
WOULD BE HELPFUL.
>> THANK YOU, ANDREW.
FOR THE PAST TWO YEARS WE HAVE
BEEN FORTUNATE TO HAVE THE CITY
SUPPORT FOR THE OUTREACH OF
HOMELESS IN THE NEIGHBORHOODS,
AND THE NEIGHBORHOODS THAT HAVE
BEEN EXPERIENCING HOMELESSNESS
IN THE LAST TWO YEARS AND WE DO
A MONTHLY CENSUS, AND IT HAS
GROWN TO 150 OVERTIMES.
AND WE HAVE SAFETY AMBASSADORS
THAT WE HAVE IN YOUR
NEIGHBORHOOD WHO ARE UNARMED
AND THEY WALK AROUND AND
PROVIDE A VISUAL PRESENCE AND
TELL PEOPLE HOW TO FIND THE U-
DUB CAMPUS.
IT'S NOT TOO COMPLICATED WITH
THOSE ENTITIES AND STAKE HOLD
INERS GENERAL WE GET A LOT OF
INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IS GOING
ON.
WE HEAR FROM SMALL BUSINESSS
THAT THEIR WINDOWS HAVE BEEN
BROKEN TWO TIMES IN THE PAST
FEW MONTHS, AND THEN THE
AMBASSADORS HAVE THE
INFORMATION AND OUTREACH HAS
THE INFORMATION AND IS ABLE TO
BRING THAT TOGETHER.
AND WE FOUND THERE WAS NO PLACE
TO PUT THIS INFORMATION FORWARD
AS A COMMUNITY.
SO WE STARTED CONVENING A SMALL
CONVERSATION WITH US INTERNALLY
ABOUT WHAT WE ARE SEEING HERE
AND SOME INDIVIDUALS WERE
HAVING A LARGE IMPACT IN THE
COMMUNITY BUT THERE WAS NOT
ANYONE FLAGGING THAT SAYING WHY
DON'T WE DIVE IN ON THIS
PARTICULAR INDIVIDUAL HAVING A
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CRISIS OR,
AND WE STARTED TALKING WITH
LEAD AND THE OUTREACH PROGRAM
UNDER OUR ORGANIZATION THAT
WORKS FOR THE PROGRAM.
AND WE WERE ABLE TO TAKE THAT
INFORMATION AND START PROBLEM
SOLVING.
YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE A
MASTERS IN SOCIAL WORK BUT THE
FOLKS AROUND THE TABLE THAT DO
WERE ABLE TO PROVIDE CREATIVE
SOLUTIONS INTO TEMPORARY
HOUSING AND RECONNECT PEOPLE
WITH THE HOST PROGRAM AND WE
HAD PEOPLE WITH SEVERE MENTAL
HEALTH ISSUES AND THEIR CASE
MANAGER HAD LOST TRACK OF THEM
AND WE WERE ABLE TO GET THEM
BACK ON THE PATH AND THEY GOT
HOUSING, AND IT WAS THAT
PROBLEM SALVING, AND SO WHAT
ANDREW IS STRIKING IS COMING IN
AND TRYING TO GRAB THE LOOSE
ENDS AND CONNECT THE DOTS.
THE LIST THAT WE ARE PUTTING
TOGETHER IS COMPOUNDING ISSUES
FROM DIFFERENT CORNERS OF OUR
COMMUNITY AND TRYING TO PROBLEM
SOLVE, ABOUT WHAT -- IF THIS IS
THE HIGHEST IMPACT OF
INDIVIDUALS WHAT COULD BE DONE?
IS THIS PERSON OPERATING IN A
CRIMINAL ENTERPRISE THAT WE
HAVE TO BRING IN THE LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND CITY ATTORNEY
ON?
BUT IT'S THAT KIND OF TROUBLE
SHOOTING THAT HELPS TO PROBLEM
SOLVE THE HIGH IMPACT ISSUE.
AND THAT'S THE BACKGROUND ON
THE LIST, ANDREW.
>> IT IS THE U DISTRICT THAT
WAS A UNIQUE PLACE TO START
WITH THE OUTREACH AND THE
WORKERS THERE, SO IT DEFINITELY
MADE OUR CASEWORK EASIER.
ONCE THE LISTS WERE DEVELOPED,
WE CONVENED THE GROUP.
WE HAVE TWO ACTIVE GROUPS.
WE HAVE THE U DISTRICT AND SODO
ARE ACTIVE, AND WE ARE WORKING
WITH BALLARD RIGHT NOW TO
FINALIZE THEIR LIST BEFORE
STARTING UP THE MEETINGS,
AND THEN WE ARE SETTING THE
TABLE.
WHO'S GOING TO BE AT THESE
MEETINGS?
FOR NOW, THE MAYOR'S OFFICE,
LEAD, REACH, SPD.
WE'S HAD REPRESENTATIVES FROM
THE KING COUNTY REGIONAL
HOMELESS AUTHORITY AND HOPE.
AND I THINK WE ARE TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT WHAT THE BALANCE IS
AND COUNCILMEMBER STRAUSS HAS
BEEN INVOLVED AND THE GROUP IN
BALLARD.
WE ARE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT THE
RIGHT BALANCE OF WHAT SHOULD BE
THERE AND WHO SHOULD THERE IN
WHAT ROLE AND WHAT WORKS AND
WHAT DOESN'T, AND WE GO
THROUGH THE LIST AND
REALISTICALLY, BETWEEN FIVE AND
SIX PEOPLE ARE WHAT WE WILL GET
THROUGH AND DISCUSS WHAT ARE
THE IMPACTS AND WHAT ARE THE
NEEDS OF THIS PERSON?
ARE THEY ALREADY INVOLVED IN
SERVICES, AND SO, WHAT
SERVICES?
AND ARE THEY LEAD ELIGIBLE?
AND CREATE A PLAN FOR EACH
PERSON TO GO THROUGH.
TO BE HONEST, THE PLAN TO BE
LONG-TERM AND CREATE A DIALOGUE
AND TRY AND GET THE PERSON TO
SEEK DRUG TREATMENT TO GET THEM
INTO HOUSING.
WE MAY HAVE A PERSON WHO IS
ELIGIBILITY FOR A TINY HOME AND
MOVE UP THAT REQUEST TO GET
THEM INTO SHELTER.
I HAVE LEARNED THIS IS NOT
FAST.
IT'S SLOW BECAUSE PEOPLE WANT
TO NEED TO ACCEPT SERVICES AND
WANT TO NEED TO BE PART OF THIS
TO MOVE OUT AND CHANGE
BEHAVIOR.
THAT'S THE WORK THAT WE ARE
DOING, AND A PERSON IS NOT LEAD
ELIGIBLE WHICH IS THE CASE WE
DISCUSS WHETHER LAW ENFORCEMENT
INTERVENTION IS NEEDED AND SO,
WHAT THAT IS GOING TO BE AND
IDEALLY, YOU WOULD NEVER HAVE
THAT SITUATION BUT YOU KNOW
THERE WILL BE TIMES WHERE
PEOPLE WILL BE SUBJECT TO
ARREST SPECIFICALLY, THE
BEHAVIOR IS, YOU KNOW,
TARGETING OTHER FOLKS AND MORE
VULNERABLE PEOPLE.
WE ARE IN THE U DISTRICT AND
SODO AND BALLARD AND WE ARE
WORKING WITH NEIGHBORHOODS TO
START BUILDING OUT THEIR LISTS
AND ON OUR LIST OF POTENTIALS,
WEST SEATTLE, COLUMBIA CITY,
MOUNT BAKER, GEORGETOWN, AND
NORTH LAKE.
THOSE ARE ALL KIND OF IN THE
MIX AS NEXT STEP, AND I KNOW
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS HAS HIS
HAND UP.
BUT I WILL SAY WE HAVE A COUPLE
QUESTIONS THAT HAVE COME OUT OF
THIS THAT I AM HAPPY TO GO
THROUGH AND WE NEED TO ANSWER.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, DO YOU
WANT TO POP IN AND I CAN --
>> YES.
>> ALL GOOD.
ALL GOOD.
WE ARE ALL FAMILY HERE.
REALLY APPRECIATE YOU
DESCRIBING THE EXECUTIVE
APPROACH AND YOUR WILLINGNESS
TO REPLICATE THE MODEL AND
RECOGNIZING THAT EACH
NEIGHBORHOOD IS DIFFERENT AND
HAS DIFFERENT CHALLENGES.
I RECOGNIZE COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS
AND I WANT TO THANK YOU FOR
YOUR EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WITH
THE WEST SEATTLE CHAMBER.
I'M SORRY.
THE JUNCTION BIA AS WELL AS
CONVERSATIONS THAT YOU'VE HAD
WITH SOUTHWEST DISTRICT
COORDINATOR.
RALLY APPRECIATE EARLY
CONVERSATIONS.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD AND DIRECTOR MYERBERG
FOR JOINING US FOR THIS
DISCUSSION AND DEFINITELY ECHO
THE CHAIR'S COMMENTS ABOUT
APPRECIATING THE COLLABORATION
AND ACCESS AND PROBLEM SOLVING
THAT THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS
SHOWN AROUND THE ISSUES.
THAT HAS NOT ALWAYS BEEN THE
CASE HISTORICALLY, AND IT'S
GOOD TO BE HERE AND REALLY HAVE
THAT KIND OF COLLABORATION.
YOU KNOW, I -- I THINK THAT
IT'S REALLY CENTERING WHAT THE
BOTTLENECK ISSUES ARE.
I KNOW THAT YOU DIDN'T MEAN
THIS IN YOUR COMMENTS JUST NOW
ABOUT KIND OF BUILDING THE
RAPPORT TO GET PEOPLE IN PLACE
WHERE THEY ARE READY TO ACCEPT
SERVICES.
I DON'T KNOW THAT SERVICE
RESISTANCE IS THE PRIMARY ISSUE
THAT WE ARE FACING.
I THINK IT'S MORE ADEQUATE
CAPACITY AND SUPPLY WHERE WE
HAVE PEOPLE ON A REGULAR BASIS
WANT TO GO IF THAT CAN BE
OFFERED.
AND AGAIN, I KNOW THAT YOU KNOW
THAT.
I AM NOT ASKING FOR
CLARIFICATION.
BUT WE HAVE THIS DISCUSSION
HERE WITH GREAT PARTNERS IN THE
BIA WORKING CLOSELY WITH FOLKS
LIKE LEAD AND REACH AND WORKING
WITH PROGRAMS LIKE THAT.
AND IT REALLY CONSIDERED TO ME
THAT PART OF THIS EXERCISE FOR
THE CITY SHOULD REALLY BE HOW
YOU CAN CARVE OUT DEDICATED
CARES IN BUSINESS DISTRICTS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY WITH, YOU
KNOW, DEDICATED CAPACITY FOR
PEOPLE DOING THE WORK IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE THE U
DISTRICT JUST CARE HUB, A
BALLARD JUST CARE HUB, A
COLUMBIA CITY JUST CARE HUB SO
YOU KNOW, IN EACH OF THOSE
PLACES, THERE CAN BE THE
CONSTANT WORK AND OUTREACH THAT
IS CONNECTED TO A PLACE THAT
PEOPLE CAN GO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT WE
CONSTANTLY HAVE SORT OF A
MINDSET THAT THERE WILL BE AN
EASY OR CHEAPER OR MORE
EXPEDIENT WAY TO DEVELOP A
NOVEL NEW METHOD OF OUTREACH TO
DEAL WITH THE HIGH SECURITY
ISSUES WE HAVE SEEN IN THE U
DISTRICT.
THE THING THAT I HAVE SEEN WORK
IS IF YOU HAVE A WELL RESOURCED
PLACE TO TAKE SOMEBODY TO GET
THEM OFF THE STREET AND GET
THEM THE WRAP AROUND RESOURCES
THAT THEY NEED, AND THAT
FUNDAMENTALLY MAKES PROGRESS ON
THE PLACES WE ARE MAKING.
WE NEED TO OWN AND EMBRACE THAT
AND BE TOGETHER THROUGH MY
COMMITTEE OR COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD'S COMMITTEE, A WAY TO
FILL THE NEEDS, A WAY TO MEET
THE NEEDS AND BE HONEST ABOUT
THE COST AND WORK TOGETHER TO
MAKE SACRIFICES AND MEET THAT
COST SO THAT WE CAN GET PAST
WHICH IS, WITHOUT A DOUBT, THE
BIGGEST ISSUE IN THE CITY.
IT'S PUBLIC HEALTH CRISIS THAT
THE CRIMINAL LEGAL SYSTEM IS
INCAPABILITY OF SOLVING THE
PROBLEMS OF AND SHOWS THAT
AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, AND
WE KNOW THERE ARE EFFECTIVE
PUBLIC HEALTH INTERVENTIONS AND
OUTREACH METHODS THAT DO
MITIGATE AND SOLVE THE PROBLEM.
AND THAT'S THE CONVERSATION
THAT WE ARE HAVING AND WE ARE
HAVING IT BUT WE NEED IT MORE
ONLINE AND HERE AND BRING ALONG
STAKEHOLDERS WITH US, AND WE
TALK ABOUT POLICE STAFFING AND
WE SHOULD, AND IT'S NECESSARY
BUT NOT EFFICIENT FOR THE
CRISIS WE ARE FACING AND WE
NEED TO DEDICATE MORE BANDWIDTH
FOR THIS THAT WE ARE
ACKNOWLEDGING, AND THERE ARE
STATEMENTS IN THERE THAT ARE
FLAGGING MY INTEREST IN WORKING
WITH YOU AND THE PEOPLE IN THE
ROOM ON THIS BUT I THINK WE
NEED TO TAKE THAT ON AND WITH
THE URGENCY THAT WE ARE
ACCEPTING BECAUSE IT'S
DETRIMENTAL TO THE QUALITY OF
LIFE.
THANK YOU.
>> I THINK REALLY QUICKLY, I
COMPLETELY CONCUR IS ONE THING
WE SEE IN THE WORK AND IT WAS
CLEAR IN THE U DISTRICT WORK IS
THE SYSTEMIC APPS.
WE HAD A PERSON THE OTHER DAY
THAT HAD A TBI AND PSYCHOTIC
EPISODES, AND I'M SURE THERE IS
BUT WE COULD NOT THINK OF A
SHELTER THAT WE COULD PLACE AN
INDIVIDUAL IN AT THIS POINT TO
GET THEM OUT OF THE U DISTRICT.
SO THOSE ARE THE SYSTEMIC GAPS.
I AGREE WITH YOU, AND THANK YOU
FOR THE CLARIFICATION, AND
SOMETHING THAT CAME UP IN THE
SODO MEETING YESTERDAY IS YOU
DO HAVE INDIVIDUALS AND IT'S A
LARGE PART OF OUR STATE AND
THERE ARE NOT SERVICES THAT
THEY FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH BUT
LEAD STRUGGLES AT TIME AS DID
REACH TO TRY AND FIND PEOPLE
AND TO BE PART OF THE SYSTEM.
SO WE -- WE SEE BOTH PROBLEMS
AND TRY AND WORK THROUGH BOTH
PROBLEMS.
>> THANK YOU, MR. MYERBERG AND
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
BEFORE I TURN IT OVER TO
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON I WANT TO
SAY THAT MY INTENT IN SETTING
THE TABLE THIS WAY WAS TO,
AGAIN, BOTH HEAR ABOUT WHAT
WE'RE DOING NOW BUT ALSO HEAR
FROM THE FOLKS THAT YOU'RE
WEEING WITH, DIRECTOR MYERBERG,
AND SAM AND FOLKS THAT YOU ARE
NOT YET WORKING WITH TO TALK
ABOUT WHAT MORE COULD BE DONE.
SO A LOT OF APPRECIATION FOR
THE WORK YOU ARE DOING AND
RECOGNITION THAT YOU ARE DOING
IT IN A WAY THAT IS MORE
COLLABORATIVE AND FOCUSING ON
THE UNDERLYING CONDITIONS WITH
THE QUALITY OF LIFE IMPACT AND
THE CRIME THAT HAS THE IMPACT
ON VICTIMS.
SO REALLY, REALLY APPRECIATE
THAT, AND WANT TO AFTER
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS THAT OVER
TO HEAR FROM THE NEIGHBORHOOD
BUSINESS DISTRICT
REPRESENTATIVE.
COUNCILMEBER NELSON?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
SO I CAN TAKE THIS QUESTION
OFFLINE BUT FOR THE PEOPLE THAT
ARE NOT LEAD ELIGIBILITY, ARE
YOU WORKING OR WILL YOU PLAN ON
WORKING WITH THE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE, THE KING
COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE TO
ADDRESS THOSE ISSUES THAT FALL
BEYOND --
>> YEAH, YEAH THERE WILL BE
SOME -- THERE WILL BE
CONNECTIONS WITH THE HIGH
UTILIZED -- IT'S NOT JUST HIGH
UTILIZERS BUT EVERYONE CAUSING
THE PUBLIC SAFETY IMPACT --
WELL, NOT EVERYONE, BUT THE
IDEAL SITUATION IS WE ARE NOT
ARRESTING ANY OF THESE PEOPLE.
THAT'S IDEAL.
RIGHT?
BUT, YES.
WE WILL BE COLLABORATING WITH
THEM AND JUST BEFORE I STOP
TALKING, I WANTED TO THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, FOR
HAVING US HERE AND
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, I AM
HAPPY TO TALK ABOUT THIS
OFFLINE.
AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT WHAT
YOU SAID.
THIS WORK IS ONLY A TINY
PORTION OF THE U DIRECT AND
WHAT THE OTHER BIAs TODAY WERE
ASKING FOR, AND THAT'S IN THEIR
PROPOSAL, AND I WANT TO BE
CLEAR ABOUT THAT.
WHILE THIS DOES ADDRESS SOME OF
THE OCCURRENCE, IT DOESN'T
ADDRESS EVERYTHING.
AND PART OF THE WORK THAT WE
ARE DOING IS TO UNDERSTAND DO,
WE NEED MORE BUDGET, FOR
EXAMPLE, FOR THE COMMUNITY HUB
COORDINATORS?
LIKE IS THERE A BUSINESS CASE
TO BE MADE THIS THESE THINGS?
AND THAT'S OUR PROCESS, AND I
AM CEDE OVER TO THEM BUT THANK
YOU FOR HAVING US.
>> GREAT CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU SO MUCH.
SO WHO -- IT LOOKS LIKE ERIC IS
READY TO GO.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ERIC GOOD MAN.
WE REPRESENTATIVE THE
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT.
SOME OF US BIAs AND OTHERS ARE
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS BUT THE
HEART OF WHAT WE DO IS ALLOWING
PEOPLE TO FOCUS ON RUNNING
BASIS, AND REALLY, OVER THE
LAST FEW YEARS, THAT SUPPORT
HAS INCREASINGLY BEEN RELATED
TO PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUES.
AND ALSO INCREASED
SIGNIFICANTLY WITH THE
PANDEMIC.
SO WHAT WE ARE PRESENTING TODAY
AND THE COUNCILMEMBERS WE WILL
OUTLINE THE EXTENDED
RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN PUBLIC
SAFETY AND ECONOMIC RECOVERY.
WHEN WE TOLD HER THE ISSUES
THAT OUR BUSINESSES WERE
DEALING WITH, AND THE EVIL WE
HAD TAKEN ON TO SUPPORT THEM,
SOMETIMES, WE ARE DETECTIVES
WITH THE COORDINATORS AND
VICTIM SUPPORT AND MORE, AND
NOW HELP US UNDERSTAND SO WE
CAN PUT YOUR POSITION ON THE
GROUND AND WORK WITH THE
BUSINESSES.
WHAT COULD COME OUT OF THIS
THAT YOU THINK WOULD BE
HELPFUL?
AND SO WE HAVE, YOU KNOW, PUT
THIS WORK TOGETHER.
WE HAVE PRESENTED IT TO COUNCIL
AND COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, AND WE
WERE ACCOMPANIED BY BUSINESS
OWNERS ACROSS THE CITY WHO
SHARED THEIR EXPERIENCE AND
CONCERNS AND THE IMPACT OF THE
PUBLIC SAFETY ISSUE.
SINCE THAT MEETING WE MET WITH
INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS,
REPRESENTATIVES FROM THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE TO DISCUSS THE
PROPOSALS IN DETAIL, AND
THROUGH THAT CONVERSATION, WE
REFINED THE PROPOSAL TO ADDRESS
THE QUESTIONS RAISED DURING THE
MEETING AND TO FURTHER, YOU
KNOW, ADDRESS SORT OF HOW THIS
WORKS IN RELATIONSHIP TO THE
SYSTEM WE CURRENTLY HAVE.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO STATE THAT WE
ARE ABSOLUTELY SUPPORTIVE OF
AND ADVOCATE FOR AN
APPROPRIATELY-STAFFED POLICE
DEPARTMENT.
AND THE WORK WE ARE PRESENTING
TODAY IS DESIGNED TO COMPLEMENT
THE WORK OF SWORN OFFICERS AND
PROVIDE CIVILIAN ANSWERS TO THE
PROBLEMS PLAGUING OUR DISTRICT
W. THAT, I WILL TURN
IT OVER TO QUYNH.
>> THANK YOU, ERIN, FOR KICKING
US OFF.
AND THANK YOU.
AND I REALLY APPRECIATE THE
TIME TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK ON THE
PROPOSAL TODAY.
WE CAME OUT WITH AN OP-ED JUST
A COUPLE OF MINUTES AGO TO
HIGHLIGHT SOME OF OUR WORK.
AND ERIN DID TALK ABOUT SOME OF
OUR ISSUES THAT WE'RE DEALING
WITH.
SO, ARE YOU CONTINUING THE
SLIDES?
WE'LL GO TO SEVEN.
SOME OF THE MAJOR IMPACTS ON
THE NEIGHBORHOODS AS YOU HAVE
HEARD THROUGHOUT THE
CONVERSATION IS THREATENING
BEHAVIORS, VANDALISM, BROKEN
WINDOWS, VIOLENCE, APES, AND
RAPES, AND ARSON AND MANY
VIOLENCE BEHAVIORS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ANDREW MYERBERG ADDRESSED
THE PRECINCT LEVEL, AND THIS IS
NOT AN APPROPRIATE SCALE TO
HIGHLY OUR ISSUES.
AND IN NORTH SEATTLE, THERE ARE
DIVERSE NEIGHBORHOODS AND NEEDS
FROM BALLARD TO NORTH AURORA.
WE IN THE CID HAVE EXPERIENCED
LITTLE SAIGON BEFORE RECENTLY,
WE WERE PART OF THE SOUTH
PRECINCT.
WE WERE JUST RECENTLY ENROLLED
INTO THE NORTH PRECINCT.
FOR EXAMPLE, WE NO LONGER HAVE
NEIGHBORHOOD FOOT PATROLS AND
COMMUNITY POLICE TEAMS AND ANTI-
CRIME TEAMS AND PRECINCT
DETECTIVES.
SO THE FOCUS SHOULD BE ON
NEIGHBORHOODS AND THEN THIS ONE
HIGHLIGHTS THE PROPOSED
PROGRAMS THAT WE HAVE BEEN
TALKING TO YOU ALL ABOUT THE
LAST COUPLE MONTHS.
WE INITIALLY -- SO THE FIRST
ONE IS REALLY A DEDICATED
MAYOR'S OFFICE ROLE TO OVERSEE
COMMUNITY SAFETY WITH THE
CURRENT DIRECTOR AND NEXT IS A
TEAM OF DEDICATED COMMUNITY HUB
COORDINATORS.
THIS WAS MENTIONED EARLIER.
CURRENTLY, THE COMMUNITY
PARTNERS ARE PLAYING THIS ROLE
BECAUSE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO DO
OTHER WORK, AND EVEN DIRECTOR
MARBERG IS TAKING ON SOME OF
THIS WORK, AND SO WE NEED TO
-- WE NEED MORE CAPACITY TO DO
THIS.
AND THEN, OF COURSE, HIGH
VISIBILITY CIVILIAN STAFF FOOT
PATROL AND NEIGHBORHOOD CRISIS
RESPONSE AND NEIGHBORHOOD
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH OUTREACH AT
THE NEIGHBORHOOD LEVEL.
AND I'LL HAND IT OVER TO DON.
>> SORRY.
>>> COULDN'T FIGURE OUT HOW TO
UNMUTE.
SO WHAT WE WANTED TO DO IS MAP
OUT WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE IN A
GIVEN NEIGHBORHOOD.
LET'S TAKE A NEIGHBORHOOD LIKE
LITTLE SAIGON AND YOU SAW THE
ISSUES THAT ANDREW MYERBERG WAS
TALKING ABOUT EARLIER, MAJOR
VANDALISM, BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
DISRUPTIONS, AND VIOLENCE,
AND YOU SEE THAT USUALLY IN A
BUSINESS DISTRICT.
CURRENTLY WE HAVE RESOURCES THE
DISTRICTS THAT LIKE A BIA.
SOMETIMES, WE HAVE SERVICES
THAT ARE LOCATED IN THAT
NEIGHBORHOOD BUT A LOT OF THE
STUFF THAT USUALLY COMES
TOGETHER OR BASKETBALLING UP IS
CITYWIDE OR PRECINCT WIDE AS
WE WERE DISCUSSING.
WHAT WE WERE PROPOSING IS ON
THE LAST SLIDE, AND THIS IS
PROPOSED TO THE MIX TO TAKE THE
COMMUNITY OUT OF THE HUB AND
PUT THEM AS A PARTNER TO THE
TABLE BUT HAVE CITY EMPLOYEES
THAT ARE CONNECTED TO ALL THE
AGENCIES AND ENTITIES TO HOLD
TOGETHER AND CONNECT THE DOTS
FOR THE ISSUES AS THEY POP UP
IN THE GEOGRAPHIC AREAS.
YOU CAN SEE THE HUB COORDINATOR
IS AT THE CENTER OF THE
COORDINATOR AND YOU HAVE THEM
UNDERSTAND WHAT IS DOG IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND THEY CAN RELY
THEIR KNOWLEDGE WITH A NON-SPD
RESPONSE OR COMMUNITY WITH THE
NEIGHBORHOOD OUTREACH WITH
PEOPLE WHO ARE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS OR BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH ISSUES THE DISTRICT ON
THE GROUND, AND THEN THE
BUSINESSES THAT WERE IMPACTED
AND WHAT'S GOING ON AND WHAT
THE PLAN IS AT AN APPROPRIATE
LEVEL OF INFORMATION SO PEOPLE
UNDERSTAND IT'S NOT IN A VACUUM
BUT THERE ARE COMMUNITY MEMBERS
COMING TOGETHER AND WORKING TO
PROBLEM SOLVE ON ISSUES THAT
ARE EXTREMELY IMPACTFUL IN THE
COMMUNITY, AND ALSO LIKE WE
WERE TALKING ABOUT WITH
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S
QUESTION, THERE ARE ALSO FOLKS
WHO ARE NOT ON THE BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH SIDE BUT ON THE CRIMINAL
ENTERPRISE SIDE AND WORKING
WITH THE KING COUNTY PROSECUTOR
AND THE CITY ATTORNEY AND SPD,
TROUBLE SHOOT TO FIGURE OUT HOW
ARE THE CHRONIC ISSUES,
ENTERPRISES IMPACTING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU CAN SEE THE ROLE THAT THIS
PERSON WOULD PLAY.
YOU KNOW, THEY WOULD CONVENE
LIKE WE WERE TALKING ABOUT AN
OPERATIONAL WORK GROUP OR
SAFETY TASK FORCE TO REALLY
ENGAGE WITH ALL OF THESE
DIFFERENT ENTITIES.
THEY WOULD PROVIDE THAT
INTRAAGENCY COORDINATION
OUTSIDE OF THE MEETINGS SO
BETWEEN THE INTERNAL AND
EXTERNAL CITY RESOURCES.
THEY WOULD HELP TO MANAGE THE
HIGH-IMPACT LIST OF THE FOLKS
HAVING THE LARGEST IMPACT ON
THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TAKE THAT
FROM DIFFERENT BODIES AND HELP
THE WORK GROUP KIND OF MANAGE
THE STRATEGIES OF KIND OF
WORKING THROUGH THAT LIST AND
FINDING SOLUTIONS FOR FOLKS.
ALSO, THEY WOULD DO SOMETHING
THAT DOESN'T CURRENTLY EXIST
WHICH I THINK IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT AND THAT IS FOLLOWING
UP IN STAKEHOLDERS WHO HAVE
BEEN IMPACTED AND HELPING THEM
TO UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF
THE SITUATION.
RIGHT NOW, YOU COULD BE A SMALL
BUSINESS AND SOMEONE COULD COME
BY AND HARASS YOUR CUSTOMERS
AND YOU ASK THEM TO LEAVE AND
THEY HAVE ANIMOSITY AND COME
BACK AND BREAK YOUR WINDY --
WINDOWS.
AND YOU ARE JUST A TARGET.
ANDIS AT A HIGH LEVEL.
I STEP BACK AND DESCRIBE THIS
APPARATUS, AND IT'S FOCUSING ON
THE AREAS OF THE CITIES THAT
THE HIGHEST IMPACTED BY THE
CRIME OR BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
ISSUES, AND IT'S PRIORITIZING
AND PUTTING ENERGY INTO
RESOLVING THE ISSUES WITH THE
GREATEST IMPACT IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS AND SCALING THE
COMMUNICATION AND PROBLEM
SOLVING AT THE COMMUNICATION
LEVEL INSTEAD OF THE PRECINCT
LEVEL SO FOLKS CAN PARTICIPATE
IN THE DISCUSSION AND THERE ARE
RESOURCES TO MANAGE THAT
DISCUSSION AND PROBLEM SOLVING
OVERTIME.
AND THIS COORDINATIONAL PROBLEM
SOLVING IS THE BEST PRACTICE,
AND IT'S CURRENTLY LIVING IN
THE BIAs OF THE COMMERCIAL
DISTRICT THAT IS NOT
SUSTAINABLE.
AND WE ARE EXCITED TO BE
WORKING WITH DIRECTOR MYERBERG
ON THIS TOO, AND HAVING HIM
MANAGE THE CONVERSATIONS WASN'T
SUSTAINABLE, EITHER SO WE ARE
EXCITED TO SEE WHAT THIS
CONVERSATION COULD LOOK LIKE IN
THIS NEIGHBORHOOD AND I WOULD
LIKE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THESE ARE
NOT THE ONLY SOLUTIONS THAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT, BUT THERE
ARE A FEW OTHER STRATEGYS THAT
WE HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT,
AND I WANTED TO ASK MONISHA TO
TALK ABOUT SOME OF THE
STRATEGIES.
>> THANK YOU, DON.
SO IN ADDITION, WE HAVE
HIGHLIGHTED A FEW ADDITIONAL
STRATEGIES TO COMPLEMENT THIS.
THE FIRST THING, A BROKEN
WINDOW IN A STOREFRONT, SEVERAL
OF OUR NEIGHBORHOODS ARE
ALREADY EXPERIMENTING WITH THIS
INCLUDING CID IN PIONEER
SQUARE, AND IN PARTICULAR TCID
HAS HAD SIGNIFICANT ISSUES FOR
THE COSTS OF REPAIR IN HISTORIC
BUILDINGS FROM THE AMOUNTS OF
$500 TO $5,000 WHICH CAN GO A
LONG WAY IN A SMALL BUSINESS.
AND IN ADDITION, WE WANTED TO
BE EXPANDING THIS TO INCLUDE
GRAFFITI WITH THE HISTORIC
MASONRY AND THE COST TO COVER
AND CLEAN UP GRAFFITI IS
SIGNIFICANT ESPECIALLY WITH THE
SMALL BUSINESSES AND IT LEADS
US TO THE SECOND POINT OF THE
SMALL BUSINESS EXPERIENCE
AFFORDABILITY.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM SEVERAL
BUSINESSES THAT THE INSURANCE
AFFORDABILITY AND THE ABILITY
TO STAY INSURED HAS BEEN
SIGNIFICANT AND MANY OF YOU ARE
BUSINESSES IN THE CID ARE UNDER
INSURED.
AND A LOT OF OUR BUSINESSES ARE
HAVING A HARD TIME TO CONTINUE
TO STAY INSURED.
THE THIRD WE WANTED TO
HIGHLIGHT THE TECHNOLOGY
SYSTEMS TO REPORT NON-EMERGENCY
ISSUES.
I HEARD COUNCILMEMBER NELSON
AND MAYOR HARRELL HAVE
SUPPORTED THIS TYPE OF
TECHNOLOGY WHERE FOLKS COULD
REPORT ONLINE.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM OUR
BUSINESSES ESPECIALLY FROM THE
CID WHO HAVE LANGUAGE CAPACITY
ISSUES OR TECHNOLOGY ACCESS
ISSUES THAT FILING A REPORT
ONLINE IS OFTEN HINDERING.
AND LASTLY, WE WANTED TO PILOT
THE COMMUNITY CAPACITY
BUILDING.
I WANTED TO POINT OUT FRIENDS
OF LITTLE SAIGON IS NOT A
BUSINESS IMPROVEMENT, SO THERE
ARE CERTAIN COMMUNITIES THAT,
FOR EXAMPLE, THE OFFICE OF
ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT COULD
SUPPORT ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THAT
AND SUPPORT THEIR BUSINESS
DISTRICT.
THAT'S IT AND I WILL TAKE YOU
BACK TO DOFNLT DON.
THANK YOU.
>> I WILL TAKE A MINUTE AND YOU
KNOW, WHEN WE ARE LOOKING AT
THESE ITEMS, WE HAVE
APPRECIATED
THAT WE HAD THE OPPORTUNITIES
TO BRING THEM TO YOU TODAY AND
WE APPRECIATE THE ONGOING
CONVERSATION WITH THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE, AND IT'S YOU ARE
UNDERSTANDING THAT SOME OF THE
ITEMS ARE IN PROCESS SORE --
OR SOME OF THE RESOURCES AND I
DID WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT.
AND WE ARE READY, WE ARE READY
TO TAKE QUESTIONS.
>> AGAIN, APPRECIATE YOU
HIGHLIGHTS THE ELEMENTS OF THE
COLLABORATIVE APPROACH THAT ARE
MISSING OR AT CAPACITY AND
APPRECIATE THE ROLE THAT
DIRECTOR MYERBERG IS PLAYING
RIGHT NOW TO KEEP THIS
COLLABORATION AFLOAT.
JUST CURIOUS -- I SEE
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS YOU HAVE
YOUR HAND UP.
AND JUST CURIOUS RECOGNIZING
THAT RESOURCES WILL CONTINUE TO
BE AN ISSUE EVEN SHOULD WE LOOK
AT FUNDING A COMMUNITY HUB
ORGANIZING APPROACH, AND IT'S
UNLIKELY THAT WE WILL DO IT TO
SUCH A SCALE THAT WE WILL BE
ABLE TO HAVE THOSE ENGAGEMENTS
IN EVERY NEIGHBORHOOD THAT
NEEDS IT SIMULTANEOUSLY.
THERE WILL HAVE TO BE SOME
PRIORITIZATION I THINK I HEARD
YOU SAY.
AND I AM JUST WONDERING HOW YOU
PROPOSE THAT NEIGHBORHOOD BY
NEIGHBORHOOD PRIORITIZATION
FORMULA OR ANALYSIS?
WE HEAR FROM FOLKS THAT THEY
DON'T THANK PRIME DATA, THAT
THAT A SLOAN A FINISH SOURCE.
HAPPY TO HEAR FROM YOU.
>> AND THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
YOU KNOW, RESOURCES ARE NOT
ABUNDANT FOR NEW THINGS BUT I
WOULD SAY WE TRY TO BE SMART
WHERE WE PUT OUR ENERGY AND
PLACES WHERE WE PUT AN EXTREME
IMPACT, AND HOW IT WAS
COMPOUNDED AFTER THE RECESSION
WHERE THE COMMERCIAL DISTRICTS
WERE, AND LOOKING AT THE
ECONOMIC AND SAFETY METRICS, I
THINK CRIME STATS ARE A GREAT
YEAR OVER YEAR THING TO LOOK
AT.
BUT IT'S NOT COMPLETE AS YOU
SAID.
I THINK LOOKING AT THE ECONOMIC
IMPACT THERE IS WORK WE COULD
DO TO LOOK AT THE IMPACTS WE
ARE DOING TO KIND OF ESTABLISH
THE NEED FOR THIS TYPE OF WORK
BUT I DO THINK IT'S MORE THAN
ONE TEAM.
I THINK IN THE PAST WE HAVE
SEEN ISSUES BUBBLE OVER.
AND THE CITY IS RESPONSIVE WITH
WHAT IS TECHNICALLY
INTERDEPARTMENTAL, AND WE SAW
THIS IN LITTLE SAIGON.
BUT IT'S NOT THE NORM.
WE ARE NOT SET UP TO DO THAT ON
A REPEATED BASIS.
I THINK MAYBE THERE IS 5 TO 10
OF THESE APPARATUSES THAT FOCUS
IN ON THE AREAS THAT ARE THE
HOTTEST AND FIGURE OUT THE
SOLUTION THERE'S AND HOPEFULLY
ABLE TO MOVE ON.
IN THE U DISTRICT YOU HAVE 25
FOLKS WITH A BIG IMPACT AND
SODO AT SIX.
AND ONCE WE GET AN IDEA OR A
PLAN TO WORK WITH A HANDFUL OF
INDIVIDUALS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOODS THAT DON'T HAVE
AS MUCH OF AN IMPACT WE CAN
MOVE ON,
AND WE NEED TO CONSIDER EQUITY,
AND WHAT QUYNH AND MONISHA WAS
TALKING ABOUT IS HOW CAN WE DO
THAT WITH THE LIMITED FUNDING.
>> THANK YOU, DON.
>> ONE OF THE THINGS I WANTED
TO ADD IS PART OF THE GOAL OF
THE HUB COMMUNITY COORDINATOR
IS WE HAD AN INDIVIDUAL ON THE
STREET THAT WAS BOUNCING
BETWEEN PIONEER AND SODO FOR
EIGHT YEARS AND THE AMOUNT OF
RESOURCES THAT HAVE GONE INTO
THAT INDIVIDUAL, WHETHER
BEHAVIORAL RESOURCES OR OTHER
NEEDS ON THE STREET IS ALREADY
PRETTY HIGH.
PART OF THIS IS IF WE ARE ABLE
TO FOLLOW THE COMMON ISSUES,
THERE WILL BE -- WE WILL BE
WORKING TOWARDS NEIGHBOR
SEVERAL CHANGES OVERTIME
BECAUSE OF THE IMPACT WITHIN
THAT WORK AREA.
>> ALL RIGHT.
THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS AND THEN
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MADAM
CHAIR, AND THANK YOU FOR THE
PRESENTATION.
I'VE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
BRIEFED INDIVIDUALLY ON THE
RECOMMENDATION AS WELL.
I THINK THEY ARE CREATIVE AND
THINGS THAT WARRANT THE
CONSIDERATION OF THE COUNCIL
AND THE CITY FAMILY.
ONE THING I WANT TO RE-
EMPHASIZE IS I APPRECIATE IN
THE FOUR CORNERS OF THE
PRESENTATION IS THE WILLINGNESS
WITH THE CURRENT RESPONSE
OPTIONS, AND WHAT I WOULD LIKE
TO SEE GOING FORWARD IS IF WE
CAN WORK TOGETHER TO AMPLIFY
THE MESSAGE AND TO REALLY
PROMOTE THAT PUBLICALLY WITH
THE SAME LEVEL OF ENTHUSIASM
THAT WE TYPICALLY SEE FROM THE
BUSINESS COMMUNITY FOR POLICE
STAFFING WHICH AGAIN WHICH I
SAID WITH AGREEMENT ON THIS
COMMITTEE AS WE WILL
DEMONSTRATE THIS AFTERNOON AND
WE DEMONSTRATED TWO WEEKS AGO
TO INCREASE THE EFFORT EFFORTS
TO MEET THE CRISIS IN STAFFING
WITH THE POLICE DEPARTMENT.
I THINK WHAT IS MISSED IN THE
PUBLIC NARRATIVE IS THE
DISCUSSION ABOUT ALTERNATIVES
THAT ISN'T GETTING PUT FORTH
ENOUGH, AND I AM NOT BETRAYING
A CONFIDENT TO SAY THAT, YOU
KNOW, MIKE HAS MADE IT A
MISSION OF HIS TO SAY THAT THE
CHANGES NEED TO BE BARGAINED,
AND THERE DOESN'T SEEM TO BE
MUCH ENTHUSIASM, AND GIVEN THE
RELATIONSHIP -- FROM THE
POLICING, GIVEN THE
RELATIONSHIP THAT THE PEOPLE AT
THE TABLE HAVE WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT, WITH PEOPLE WHO
ARE CONCERNED ABOUT POSSIBLE
SAFETY, I THINK YOUR VOICE IS
CRITICAL THROUGH THIS
CONVERSATION.
AND WE WOULD LIKE TO BE
PARTNERS WITH YOU IN PUSHING
THIS DISCUSSION ON ALTERNATIVES
AND BUILDING PUBLIC SUPPORT FOR
IT, AND ONE THING I WOULD LEAVE
FOLKS WITH, TOO, THE RESPONSE
FROM THE PANEL MEMBERS IF THEY
THINK THIS IS A PLACE TO LOOK
AT, EVEN SOMETHING AS SIMPLE AS
TRAFFIC DIRECTION, 7
THERE00,000 OF OVERTIME HOURS
FOR GUNS AND BADGES TO DIRECT
TRAFFIC, 7600 OVERTIME SERVICE
HOURS SPENT ON THAT TCT
ACTIVITY DOES DOESN'T REQUIRE A
GUN AND BADGE.
I WOULD MUCH RATHER HAVE THEM
WALKING A BEAT OR WORKING ON
BURGLARY IMPROVEMENT IN THESE
AREAS, AND WE ARE MAKING A
POLICY CHOICE TO HAVE 7600
STAFFING HOURS DEDICATED TO
DIRECTING TRAFFIC FOR NO REASON
GIVEN THAT PARKING ENFORCEMENT
OFFICERS ARE QUALIFIED TO DO
THAT WORK AND DO DO THAT.
I HAD A GREAT INTERVIEW
CONGRESSWOMAN BUSH WHO
REPRESENTATIVES ST. LOUIS,
MISSOURI AND 800 CALLS FOR A
PILOT CLINICAL ALTERNATIVE
PROGRAM.
THEY FREED UP 2000 POLICE
SERVICE HOURS THAT THEY COULD
SPEND DEDICATED TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT AND GUN AND BADGE
ACTIVITIES.
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT WE ARE
IN A STAFFING CRISIS WITH
POLICE AND LIKELY TO BE IN A
STAFFING CRIES FOR A WHILE WE
ARE MAKING POLICY CHOICES TO
HAVE GUN AND BADGE JOBS DO
THINGS THEY SHOULD NOT BE DOING
AND DOING THINGS ONLY THEY CAN
DO, AND THIS GROUP OF GREAT
COMMUNITY LEADERS WHO DO
EFFECTIVE WORK, REPRESENTING
THE RATEPAYERS I WOULD LOVE TO
PARTNER AND WORK WITH YOU TO
DRIVE THAT CONVERSATION AS
WELL.
IT'S ESSENTIAL AND IMPORTANT,
AND JUST FOCUSING ON THIS IS
NOT ENOUGH.
WE HAVE SO EXPLAIN TO THE
GREATEST IMPACT TO MAKE THE
COMMUNITY SAFER, AND I WANTED
TO HIGHLIGHT THIS IS EMPHASIZED
IN THE PRESENTATION AND GOING
FORWARD IF WE CAN EMPHASIZE
THAT MORE, TOO,
AND IN OUR COLLABORATION IN
DRIVING SOME OF THE POLICIES.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> WHEN YOU WERE DESCRIBING THE
NEIGHBORHOOD COORDINATOR WHAT
WAS WAS IN MY MIND WAS THE
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICT
COORDINATORS, YOU KNOW.
THEY ARE STILL DIFFERENT
FUNCTIONS BUT THERE IS A VACUUM
ON WHAT IS GOING ON IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD AND IN THE CITY.
AND I ENDORSE THIS MODEL AND
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH MY
COLLEAGUES.
SO, YES.
TAKING THE ADVICE OF THE
REPRESENTATIVES OF SMALL
BUSINESSES ACROSS THE CITY AND
PUTTING SOMETHING IN PLACE THAT
THEY HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT FOR A
LONG TIME AND ON THE LIST OF
RECOMMENDATIONS, MY TOP
PRIORITY ONLY BECAUSE IT SEEMS
LIKE IT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST IS
THE STOREFRONT RESTORATION,
BROKEN WINDOWS, BROKEN
STOREFRONTS, ET CETERA.
SO THAT CONTINUES TO BE A HIGH
PRIORITY FOR ME AND THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE.
THE INSURANCE STUDY WOULD MAKE
-- I HAVE SPOKEN WITH THE
INTERIM DIRECTOR OF OED, AND
NOW WE ARE DOWN TO AN ISSUE OF
RESOURCES AND RESOURCES FOR A
STUDY OF WHAT I LIKE TO CALL A
GAP ANALYSIS.
WHAT IS GOING ON WITH OUR
INSURANCE THIS YEAR?
SMALL BUSINESSES -- IT'S
DIFFICULT TO GET A POLICY OR
FOR THEY REPORT CRIMES F THEY
HAVE A CLAIM, THEN THEIR RATES
GO UP.
I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO
QUANTIFY THAT, AND I AM FOCUSED
ON SPENDING RESOURCES ON THINGS
THAT HAVE AN INDEPENDENT IMPACT
BUT I'M OPEN TO FURTHER BRING
THAT AND THEN IN FINDING THE
TECHNOLOGY, TRYING TO FIX IT.
IT'S IMPORTANT TO RECORD THIS
CONVERSATION.
I AM GLAD TO SEE THAT IS STILL
IN THE MIX.
YOU WANT AN ACCESS WAY TO
RECORD WHAT'S HAPPENING AND
THAT WOULD HELP THE CITY TO
RESPOND BETTER.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, AND
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, YOUR
LEADERSHIP IN TERMS OF
RESTORATION AND I WANT TO NOTE
THAT PRIOR TO COVID THE OFFICE
OF EXNO YOU CAN DEVELOPMENT HAD
A NEIGHBORHOOD BUSINESS
STABILIZATION FUND AND THEY
TRANSFERRED THAT FUND TO BE
MORE OF A COVID RELIEF FUND.
BUT IT WAS SPECIFICALLY
DESIGNED TO DEAL WITH
MITIGATING BUSINESS IMPACTS
EITHER FROM UNEXPECTED
ACTIVITIES LIKE CRIME BUT ALSO
IMPACTS WITH CITY PROJECTS THAT
MAY HAVE AN IMPACT ON REDUCED
BUSINESS ACTIVITY.
SO HOPE THAT WE CAN MAKE LOOK
TO LEADERSHIP WORKING WITH OEB
TO RESTORE THAT FUND INS IT
ORIGINAL PURPOSE.
THERE ARE SOME LIMITATIONS
WHICH THE PUBLIC GETS TO FUND
AS WE KNOW, BUT THERE ARE SOME
WAYS TO MAKE IT WORK.
I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING
THAT.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> ANOTHER QUICK POINT AFTER
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON'S POINT.
IN THE LAST BUDGET MY OFFICE
WAS ABLE TO GET A VICTIM
COMPENSATION THAT WE ARE STILL
WORKING ON WITH THE SIZE AND
SCOPE OF WHAT THAT FUND WILL
BE, WINDOW REPAIR AND
REPLACEMENT WHICH COULD BE
SOMETHING WITHIN THAT SCOPE.
SO FEEL FREE TO REACH OUT TO MY
OFFICE TO LEARN MORE ABOUT THAT
PROCESS AS IT GOES ALONG AS
ANOTHER POTENTIAL RESOURCE FOR
THAT.
SO APPRECIATE IT.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
I WANTED TO THANK THE LEADERS
OF THE IMPROVEMENT AREAS
THROUGHOUT THE CITY.
YOU HAVE BEEN THE UNSUNG HEROES
DURING THE PANDEMIC AND DOING
THE TANGIBLE WORK TO KEEP THE
NEIGHBORHOOD DISTRICTS GOING
AND TRYING TO KEEP THEM CLEAN
AND TRY AND KEEP THEM THERE SO
THEY ARE NOT DISPLACED.
I HEAR YOU PILOTED THIS
PROGRAM, THIS HOLISTIC PROGRAM,
AND YOU ARE BRINGING THAT
TODAY,
AND I REALLY DO HOPE AND I
APPRECIATE THIS HANGING OUT IN
THE U DISTRICT WITH ME AND
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND TAKING
TO HEART THE FACT THAT WE NEED
TO NOW OPERATIONALLIZE THIS ON
A SCALABLE, SUSTAINABLE LEVEL.
I REALLY DO HOPE THAT WE
SUSTAIN UP THE STOREFRONT OR
RESTORE THE STOREFRONT
RESTORATION FUND AND I FULLY
FUND THAT.
IN TERMS OF THE HUB COORDINATOR
CONCEPT, IT'S A FUNCTION THAT
IT DOESN'T REALLY DO RIGHT NOW
BUT WHAT IF THE CITY WERE TO --
JUST AS WE SUPPLY OR SUBSIDIZE
OUTREACH WORKERS THROUGH BIA,
WHY NOT COTHAT THROUGH THE BIAs
INSTEAD OF CREATING A NEW CITY
GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE
CLASSIFICATION?
I AM JUST WORRIED ABOUT HOW
LONG THAT MIGHT TAKE TO DO.
IN OTHER WORDS, TO HAVE IT
STILL DONE BY THE BIA AND HAVE
THE FUNDING COME FROM THE CITY
GOVERNMENT.
JUST WANT TO SEE IF THAT WOULD
BE SOMETHING THAT MIGHT BE MORE
STREAM LINED, MORE EFFICIENT,
EFFECTIVE SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY
DOING IT.
YOU JUST NEED THE FUNDING,
CONTINUE TO DO IT AND EXPAND
IT.
BUT I LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING
WITH ANDREW MYERBERG AND THE
HARRELL ADMINISTRATION ON THIS
SO WE TO KEEP IT GOING.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN.
YOU RAISE A REALLY GOOD
CHALLENGE WITH FUNDING A
POSITION THAT DOES NOT ALREADY
EXIST AND COMPLEXITY AROUND
THAT AND THE TIME IT TAKES TO
CREATE THAT EMPLOYEE
CLASSIFICATION AND I APPRECIATE
TRYING TO BRAINSTORM TO ADDRESS
SOME OF THOSE HURDLES.
LOOK FORWARD TO WORKING WITH
DIRECTOR MYERBERG AS THEY
EXAMINE THE CASE FOR YOUR
PROPOSAL AND, YOU KNOW, GIVEN
THAT WE DO HAVE 20, 23 BUDGET
CHALLENGES AHEAD OF US THAT WE
ARE TRYING TO PREPARE FOR THIS
2022.
I WANT TO SAY THAT SUPPORTING
THIS WORK AND SUPPORTING YOUR
WORK IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD
DISTRICT IS ABSOLUTELY A
PRIORITY OF MINE AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE EVERYTHING YOU HAVE
DONE THROUGH THE INCREDIBLY
DIFFICULT TIMES, AND YOU'VE
MADE OUR COMMUNITIES STRONG.
YOU'VE UPHOLD THE RESILIENCE
AND THE IMPACTS ARE SELF
EVIDENT.
THE CITY IS COMING BACK, BUT WE
RECOGNIZE THAT YOU DEFINITELY
NEED SOME ADDITIONAL ASSISTANCE
FROM CITY DEPOSIT.
SO LOOK FORWARD TO BRINGING
FORWARD SOME OF THE ASSISTANCE,
AND APPRECIATE EVERYTHING THAT
YOU HAVE DONE AND LOOK FORWARD
TO WORKING MORE WITH YOU.
THANK YOU.
AND WE WILL MOVE ON TO THE
FINAL ITEM.
PLEASED IN AGENDA ITEM THREE.
>> YES.
I'LL PULL UP THE AGENDA HERE.
COMMITTEE AGENDA ITEM NUMBER
THREE, COUNCIL BILL, 12294, AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO APP-BASED
WORKER LABOR STANDARDS
ESTABLISHING A COMPENSATION
SCHEME FOR APP-BASED WORKERS
WITH MINIMUM PAY REQUIREMENTS
AND RELATED STANDARDS FOR
TRANSPARENCY AND FLEXIBILITY,
AMENDING SECTIONS 3.02.125 AND
3.15.000 AND 6.208.020 OF THE
SEATTLE MUNICIPAL CODE AND
ADDING A NEW TITLE EIGHT AND
CHAPTER 8.37 TO THE SEATTLE
MUNICIPAL CODE.
>> AND BEFORE WE MOVE OVER TO
THIS, I WANT TO SAY I
APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT WE
HAVE DONE IN THE LAST YEAR.
WE HAVE HELD 12 LARGE
STAKEHOLDER MEETINGS WITH
REPRESENTATIVES FROM DOORDASH,
UBER EATS, AND THE UNITED
WORKERS ADVOCACY GROUPS SUCH AS
DRIVE FORWARD AND WORKING
WASHINGTON AND THE NATIONAL
EMPLOYMENT LAW PROJECT.
AND AS THIS LEGISLATION HAS
DEVELOPED, THE AMENDMENT THAT
WE SEE BEFORE US TODAY IS A
RESULT OF THIS, AND WE HAVE
HEARD IS PROJECT REPORTS, AND
IS THE FOURTH TIME WE HAVE
HEARD ON 120294 IN COMMITTEE
BUT SIX TIME THAT WE DISCUSSED
THE POLICY PACKAGE.
I WANT TO THANK MY COLLEAGUES
AND THANKS TO THE COSPONSOR OF
THE LEGISLATION, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
AT THE 4/26, THE APRIL 26
MEETING, CENTRAL INCLUDED AN
EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF FOR THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND IT WAS
IMPORTANT TO STREAM LINE ALL
THE REQUESTS AND I REALLY WANT
TO RECOGNIZE EVERYONE'S HARD
WORK ON THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE
POLICY AND THE WORK ON THE
AGENDA BEFORE US.
AND THE AMENDMENTS THAT WE ARE
PUTTING FORWARD ARE AMENDMENTS
THAT THEY SPECIFICALLY ASKED
FOR.
I THINK IT'S A DEMONSTRATION OF
OUR COMMITMENT TO WORK TOGETHER
AND MAKE THIS SPECIAL.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN THIS
OVER AND ENGAGE IN AND DISCUSS
AND -- WE WILL DISCUSS AND VOTE
ON THIS INDIVIDUALLY.
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
I AM AMY GORE WITH THE CENTRAL
STAFF AND I WILL TURN OVER TO
KARINA AND JASMINE.
>> HELLO.
I AM KARINA BULL WITH CENTRAL
STAFF.
JASMINE?
>> I AM JASMINE MARWAHA WITH
COUNCIL CENTRAL STAFF.
>> COUNCIL BILL 120094 IS AN
ORDINANCE RELATING TO APP-BASED
WORKERS, AND WE HAVE 16
AMENDMENTS.
LAST NIGHT I SENT OUT A
STATEMENT TO GUIDE THIS
DISCUSSION WHICH I WILL SHARE
MOMENTARILY.
THERE ARE A FEW AMENDMENTS THAT
WILL BE TAKEN OUT OF ORDER AND
SOME THAT ARE MUTUALLY
EXCLUSIVE.
WE WILL HIGHLIGHT THEM WHEN WE
GET TO THEM BUT I WANTED TO SEE
IF THERE WERE PROCESS QUESTIONS
BEFORE WE JUMP IN.
>> SEEING NONE, I WILL GO AHEAD
AND SHARE MY SCREEN.
CAN EVERYBODY SEE LEFT TABLE
NOW?
>> YOU CAN INCREASE THE VIEWING
PERCENTAGE JUST A BIT?
>> PERFECT.
THANK YOU.
>> OKAY.
THE FIRST AMENDMENT FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION IS AMENDMENT ONE,
VERSION TWO, SPONSORED BY CHAIR
HERBOLD AND COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
IT MAKES SMALL TECHNICAL
CHANGES IN CLARIFICATION,
INCLUDING THE DEFINITION OF
INCENTIVE, CLARIFYING THE
DEFINITION OF FIELD AND TIP
DISCLOSURE IF APPLICABLE BEFORE
FACILITATION OF OFFER RATHER
THAN AFTER THE COMPLETION OF
THE OFFER SO THE WORKER COULD
DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT TO ACCEPT
THE JOB AND CHANGES THE REVIEW
FROM CANCELED OFFER FROM THREE
DAYS TO, QUOTE, 72 HOURS.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT
TO CHAIR HERBOLD.
>> THANK YOU.
YOU DID ASK IF THERE WERE ANY
QUESTIONS ABOUT PROCESS BUT I
DIDN'T HAVE ANY AND THE WAY WE
ARE PROCEEDING MAKES ME SECOND
GUESS WHAT WE ARE DOING.
ARE WE HEARING THE DESCRIPTION
OF THE AMENDMENT, TALKING
THROUGH THE AMENDMENTS AS WE GO
OR GO THROUGH THE WHOLE TABLE
AND COME BACK TO VOTE?
>> I WAS ANTICIPATING THE FIRST
OPTION.
>> THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT.
AND IN THAT CASE I NEED TO GET
A BILL .
>> OH, RIGHT.
>> I WAS JUST SECOND GUESSING
MYSELF.
>> APOLOGIES.
>> NO, NO.
THAT'S WHY I HAVE THE NOTES.
BEFORE MOVING INTO THE
AMENDMENT TO BEGIN DISCUSSION
ON VOTES ON AMENDMENTS AND THE
COSPONSOR OF THE BILL, I MOVE
THE COMMITTEE TO RECOMMEND
PASSAGE OF COUNCIL BILL 1202
INURE.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH, MOVED AND
SECONDED.
AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR
DESCRIPTION AND I DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING FURTHER TO ADD.
IT'S AN AMENDMENT TO ADDRESS
DRAFTING ERRORS AND REFINE THE
DEFINITION.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD, I SEE A
COUPLE OF HANDS UP.
>> OH, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
GO AHEAD.
>> I AM VERBALLY FLAGGING THAT
I WILL BE APPROVING THE
TECHNICAL CORRECTIONS, AND
THERE IS INFORMATION ABOUT THE
TIP INFO REMOVAL OR TIP
INFORMATION THAT DOESN'T HAVE
TO DO WITH AMENDMENT 14.
>> PERFECT.
THANK YOU FOR FINDING THAT.
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
IN TERMS OF THE TIP BEFORE THE
FACILITATION, SO IF YOU ARE A
CONSUMER, YOU NEED TO TIP
SOMEONE BEFORE YOU PROVIDE THE
SERVICE?
WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT BEFORE
THE SERVICE IS PROVIDED?
I JUST WANT TO THAT LOGIC.
THANK YOU.
>> GO AHEAD.
>> YOU GO FIRST, AMY.
>> SOME COMPANIES DO ALLOW A
CUSTOMER TO PUT THE TIP AMOUNT
BEFORE THE OFFER IS BASICALLY
PRESENTED TO THE WORKER.
IT'S JUST THE FIRST KIND OF
PASSIVE INFORMATION.
SO THE CURRENT BILL WOULD
REQUIRE IF THE CUSTOMER
PROVIDES THAT BEFORE THE WORK
IS DONE, THE WORKER WOULD BE
ALERTED ---
>> WITH THE
ADDITIONAL TIP AT THE END.
>> YES.
>> CAN I FOLLOW UP AND CLARIFY?
>> YES.
ABSOLUTELY.
>> SO THEN, CUSTOMERS AREN'T-
-IT'S IF THE CUSTOMER CHOOSES
TO PROVIDE THAT UP FRONT, THE
INFORMATION WILL BE PROVIDED TO
THE WORKER, BUT THERE IS NO
REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE THE TIP
UP FRONT,
AND IT DOESN'T PROHIBIT THEM
FROM TIPPING SOMETHING LATER.
SO YOU COULD -- SO IF YOU ARE A
CUSTOMER, YOU COULD BE SAYING
WHY WOULD I TIP?
I HAVEN'T GOTTEN THE SERVICE
YET?
SO YOU PUT ZERO IN FOR NOW AND
YOU GET GREAT SERVICE AND YOU
TIP THEM AT THE END.
BUT IF YOU CHOOSE TO TIP
SOMETHING IN ADVANCE, THAT
INFORMATION MUST BE PASSED
THROUGH TO A WORKER BEFORE THEY
ACCEPT THE JOB.
IS THAT RIGHT?
>> THAT IS MY EXACT
UNDERSTANDING OF THE INTENT.
THANK YOU.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
>> ANYTHING TO ADD?
>> I WOULD JUST ADD QUICKLY
THAT NOT ALL APPS ALLOW UP-
FRONT TIPPING.
IF THE APP DOES AND IF A
CUSTOMER CHOOSES TO DO IT UP
FRONT, THEN THE WORKER WOULD BE
-- THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO DO
ALL THAT UP FRONT.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT
AMENDMENT ONE?
SEEING NONE, CALL THE ROLL.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON.
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
>> AYE
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> I'VE IN FAVOR AND NONE
OPPOSED.
>> PLEASE DESCRIBE AMENDMENT
NUMBER TWO.
>> THE NEXT AMENDMENT FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION IS AMENDMENT TWO,
VERSION ONE AND SPONSORED BY
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
THIS WOULD CHANGE THE
DEFINITION OF MARKETPLACE
NETWORK COMPANY.
THE CURRENT BILL WOULD DEFINE
USING TWO CRITERIA.
THE COMPANIES ARE EXCLUSIVELY
ENGAGED IN FACILITATING PRE-
SCHEDULED OFFER IN WHICH THE
CUSTOMER AND WORKER NEGOTIATE
THE OFFER, SCOPE, AND COST
BEFORE THE CUSTOMER PLACES THE
ORDER AND THE WORKER ACCEPTS.
OF THE SECOND CRITERIA IS THE
COMPANIES EXCLUSIVELY
FACILITATE SERVICES WITHOUT
MONITORING OFFERS BY GEOGRAPHIC
LOCATION OR TIME.
SO IT WOULD CHANGE THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANY TO HAVE
THREE CRITERIA Y FIRST THAT A
MARKETPLACE NETWORK COMPANY IS
PRIMARILY ENGAGED IN
FACILITATING OFFERS THAT
ENABLES THE PLATFORM AND
CUSTOMER TO EXCHANGE
INFORMATION ON THE OFFER,
SCOPE, AND COST BEFORE THE
CUSTOMER PLACES THE ORDER AND
THE WORKER ACCEPTS AND THE
SECOND CRITERIA Y THE WORKER
SETS THEIR OWN RATE AND THE
THIRD IS THE NETWORK WILL NOT
MONITOR OFFER AND TIME, AND
MOVES THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
THAT IS CURRENTLY IN THE BILL.
THE USE OF PRIMARILY ENGAGED
RATHER THAN EXCLUSIVELY ENGAGED
GIVES THE MARKETPLACE COMPANIES
MORE FLEXIBILITY IN THEIR
OPERATION.
FOR EXAMPLE WHILE THEY OFFER
PRE-SCHEDULED WORK, WORK THAT
WILL BEGIN WHERE THE OFFER --
I'M SORRY.
WHERE THE WORKER WILL BEGIN
WORK WITHIN LONGER THAN TWO
HOURS INSTEAD, THIS WOULD ALLOW
THEM TO SOMETIMES DO WHAT WE
CALL ON-DEMAND WORK WHICH IS
WITHIN TWO HOURS.
THE AMENDMENT WOULD ALLOW THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS TO
FIND OUT WHAT PRIMARILY DUG
WOULD BE BE ENGAGED AND APPLY.
WITH THAT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN.
>> THANK YOU.
I WANT TO THANK THE STAFF FOR
THEIR HARD WORK ON ALL THE
AMENDMENTS ESPECIALLY THE NEXT
TWO.
SO JUST TO PROVIDE SOME
CONTEXTS TO AMENDS TWO AND
THREE, YOU KNOW, IT'S MY
UNDERSTANDING THAT ATTEMPTING
TO REGULATE SO MANY TECHNOLOGY
APPLICATIONS AT ONE TIME HAS
NEVER BEEN IMPLEMENTED IN THE
NATION.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE WE ARE
CAREFUL WITH THE FLEXIBILITY
AND BENEFITS TO CONSUMERS,
WORKERS AND SMALL BUSINESS
BUSINESS AND I SUPPORT MINIMUM
WAGE FOR GIG WORKERS WHO HAVE
NO WAY IN THEIR WAGES, BUT
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES PROVIDE A
BRAND AND COMPUTER APPLICATION
TECHNOLOGY TO WORKERS WHO SET
THEIR OWN RATE AND SHOULD BE
EXEMPT FROM THE LAW.
AND THESE TWO AMENDMENTS WILL
HELP TO ACCOMPLISH THIS GOAL
REGARDING THE FAR-REACHING
LEGISLATION.
SO THIS I THINK AMY GORE
DESCRIBED IT WELL BUT I WILL BE
HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIOS AS
WELL.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR AMY
GORE.
THIS IS A TOPIC I HAVE BEEN
UNDECIDED ABOUT IN THE PROCESS
OF DOING THIS WORK.
I GOT INTO THIS WORK WITH YOU
ON THIS AREA MOSTLY BECAUSE OF
THE MATCHES AND THE INEQUITIES
I AM FAMILIAR WITH IN HOW THE
DELIVERY APPS OPERATE AND HOW
THEY HAVE PASSED ON A LOT OF
EXPENSES AND THE MARKETPLACE
WAS NOT AWARE OF AND COME TO
LEARN ABOUT THEM.
AND I HAVE QUESTIONS FOR AMY
BECAUSE MY PRIMARY AREA OF
INTEREST IS THE EXTENT TO WHICH
THE AMENDMENTS FROM WHICH
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN WOULD
UNDERMINE THE WORK ON A
DELIVERY APP AND CREATE
POTENTIAL LOOPHOLES FOR THE
DELIVERY APPS TO RECONSTITUTE
THEMSELVES TO BE A MARKETPLACE
APP AND EXEMPT THEMSELVES FROM
THE PROTECTIONS THAT WE ARE
PASSING.
AND I WOULD JUST ASK AMY ON
THIS, WHAT WOULD BE THE IMPACT
OF THE PRIMARY ENGAGED VERSUS
EXCLUSIVELY ENGAGED IN TERMS OF
POTENTIALLY OPENING THE
LOOPHOLE AS FAR AS THAT
CRITERIA INTERACTS WITH PRONGS
TWO AND THREE?
THOSE WOULD HAVE TO BE READ
TOGETHER.
CORRECT?
CAN YOU TALK ABOUT LIKE IF YOU
WERE DOORDASH, FOR EXAMPLE,
WHAT WOULD YOU HAVE TO DO TO
BECOME A MARKETPLACE APP UNDER
THIS CHANGE DEFINITION?
ARE WE OPENING A RISK FOR THAT?
>> TO ANSWER THAT QUESTION, ON
THE CAVEAT THAT IT WAS
DIFFICULT TO PLAN OUT ALL THE
SCENARIOS WITH THE NEW
LEGISLATION BUT FOR A SPECIFIC
EXAMPLE WITH A COMPANY LIKE
DOORDASH THAT DOES AN ON-DEMAND
DELIVERY, THERE IS ONE OF THE
SENTENCES THAT I DID NOT READ
OF THE DEFINITION, THAT IT
SPECIFIES THAT ON-DEMAND
NETWORK COMPANIES AND COMPANIES
THAT PROVIDE DELIVERY SERVICES
ARE NOT MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANIES.
SO I THINK NO MATTER WHAT THE
CRITERIA ARE, IT WOULD BE
DIFFICULT FOR A COMPANY LIKE
DOORDASH THAT DOES THAT TYPE OF
DELIVERY WORK ON DEMAND TO
CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS MODEL TO
BE A MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANY.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO BE OFFERING
PRE-SCHEDULED OFFER, AND
OUTSIDE OF THE ON-DEMAND WINDOW
THAT IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH THE
BUSINESS MODEL AND ALLOW THE
WORKERS TO SET THEIR OWN PRICE
AND THE OFFER OF A PAYMENT OF A
JOB AND THEY WOULD HAVE TO STOP
MONITORING WORKERS BY MILEAGE
OR TIME.
I THINK THAT CRITERIA WOULD
MAKE IT MORE DIFFICULT FOR A
COMPANY THAT DOES NOT CHANGE
THEIR BUSINESS OPERATION.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
YOU KNOW, I WANT TO FOLLOW UP
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS'S COMMENT,
THE WORD ENFORCEMENT.
EXCLUSIVE SEEMS TO CREATE A
BROADER LINE.
THE OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS
HAVE WEIGHED IN ON HOW THIS
WOULD IMPACT ENFORCEMENT, AND
MADAM CHAIR, WHILE I HAVE THE
MIC, ANOTHER QUESTION FOR
CENTRAL STAFF WHETHER OR NOT WE
KNOW IF WORKERS GET GUIDANCE
FROM THESE COMPANIES ON RATES
OR PRESSURE TO LOWER RATES?
ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD ABOUT
IS THERE MIGHT NOT BE DIRECT
ENGAGEMENT OR DICTATING OF
RATES, PLACEMENT OF WORKERS ON
AN APP AND PRIORITIZING WORKERS
OVER OTHERS, DEPENDING ON WHICH
GIGS THEY ACCEPT OR DON'T IS
STILL PREVALENT ALONG VARIOUS
PLATFORMS.
I AM WONDERING IF YOU CAN
ANSWER THOSE QUESTIONS.
>> YES.
WE DID RECEIVE FEEDBACK FROM
ORF THAT THEY EXCLUSIVE THE
EXCLUSIVELY LANGUAGE OR IN
TERMS OF KIND OF A BRIGHTLINE
OF YES OR NO TO DEFINE THE
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES.
AND THE SECOND QUESTION -- I'M
SORRY.
AT THIS POINT, I FORGOT YOUR
SECOND QUESTION.
>> IF I MAY, MADAM CHAIR.
WHETHER OR NOT THEY HAVE
STRATEGY WHERE IS THEY ARE
AFFECTING A WORKER GETS A GIG
OR NOT BASED ON A PLACEMENT OF
THE WORKER ON AN APP OR
PLATFORM.
>> THANK YOU.
I APOLOGIZE ABOUT THAT.
WE HAVE HEARD FROM WORKERS THAT
THEY DO -- THAT THE COMPANY
DOES ENCOURAGE THEM TO SET
THEIR RATES AT A CERTAIN LEVEL.
I AM NOT AWARE OF AND COMPANIES
THAT CURRENTLY USE THEIR
ALGORITHMS TO PROMOTE
PARTICULAR WORKERS BASED ON
THEIR -- BASED ON THEIR COST.
IT SEEMS TO BE MORE ABOUT
RATINGS OR JOBS THAT THEY HAVE
COMPLETED.
AGAIN, THESE ARE ALGORITHMS OR
OTHER TECHNOLOGIES THAT COULD
BE CHANGED TO PROMOTE WORKERS
BASED ON THEIR RATES EASILY, I
PRESUME.
SO THAT IS AN OPTION FOR THE
COMPANY.
>> THANK YOU.
A QUICK QUESTION I HAVE BEFORE
WE MOVE BACK OVER TO
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
THIS AMENDMENT AND THE CHANGING
OF THE DEFINITION OF NETWORK
COMPANIES, IT DOESN'T ONLY
AFFECT MINIMUM REQUIREMENTS.
CORRECT?
IT -- IT POTENTIALLY IF YOU
FALL OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE OR
COMPANY, THERE IS OTHER CONTROL
THAT WOULD NOT BE OF A
REGULATION THAT A COMPANY HAS
TO ADHERE TO.
IS THAT CORRECT?
YOU CAN BRIEFLY TOUCH ON THAT
IMPACT?
>> SURE.
THE BILL AS INTRODUCED HAS A
DEFINITION FOR MARKETPLACE
COMPANY AND SOME REGULATION
WHICH IS ARE SPECIALIZED
RELATED TO MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANIES.
FOR EXAMPLE, MARKETPLACE
NETWORK COMPANIES DO NOT TRACK
BY GEOGRAPHY AND WOULD NOT HAVE
TO PAY FOR ENGAGED MILES.
SO AS FOR LEGISLATION RIGHT
NOW, CHANGING THIS DEFINITION
MIGHT PUT CERTAIN COMPANIES
INTO OR OUT OF THE MARKETPLACE
DEFINITION AND THEN THE
SPECIFIC MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANY REGULATIONS MIGHT APPLY
TO THEM.
HOWEVER, WHAT I THINK YOU ARE
REFERRING TO IS IF AMENDMENT
THREE PASSES WHERE THEY ARE
EXCLUDED FROM BOTH THE MINIMUM
PAYMENT STANDARD AND THE
FLEXIBILITY REQUIREMENT AND
TRANSPARENCY REQUIREMENT THAT
ARE ALSO INCLUDED IN THE BILL.
WE CAN TALK MORE ABOUT THAT
UNDER AMENDMENT THREE AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU.
A QUICK FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
BUT IF YOU -- IF YOU ARE -- IF
NEITHER MEETS THE DEFINITION OF
A MARKETPLACE NETWORK COMPANY
NOR A ON-DEMAND NETWORK COMPANY
WHAT WOULD --
>> YES.
THE NETWORK COMPANY IS AN
UMBRELLA TERM AND THERE ARE TWO
SUN SETS, TWO SUBSETS
TEMPERATURE YOU DO NOT MEET THE
MARKETPLACE OR ON-DEMAND
COMPANY YOU ARE STILL
CONSIDERED A NETWORK COMPANY IF
YOU MEET THE DEFINITION AND ARE
COVERED BY THE BILL.
>> AMY, YOU TOUCHED ON THE BASE
BILL, THE BASE PROPOSAL THAT
THE MARKETPLACE COMPANIES ARE
NOT TRACKING THEIR WORKERS
GEOGRAPHICALLY SPEAKING.
I BELIEVE THIS AMENDMENT ALTERS
THAT?
>> SO IN GENERAL, WHAT WE HAVE
HEARD IS THE MOST MARKETPLACE
NETWORK COMPANIES DO NOT TRACK
THEIR WORKERS BY GEOGRAPHY.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, DOORDASH OR
INSTACART, THEY ARE TRACKING
WORKERS AS THEY DO THE OFFER.
HOWEVER, THIS IS NOT
NECESSARILY THE CASE FOR ALL
THE MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANIES.
THERE IS ONE PARTICULAR
GEOGRAPHIC FUNCTIONALITY IN THE
ROVER APP THAT ALLOWS THE PET
WALKER TO SHARE THE ROUTE ON,
FOR EXAMPLE, A DOG WALK WITH
THE CUSTOMER AFTER THE WALK IS
DONE.
AND SO, THAT IS PLACED ON THE
-- THAT IS SHARE THROUGH THE
APP.
SO IT'S KIND OF A QUESTION OF
LIKE HOW DO YOU DEFINE
GEOGRAPHIC MONITORING?
THEY REQUESTED THAT THE
GEOGRAPHIC MONITORING BE
REMOVED FROM THE DEFINITION IN
ORDER TO ALLOW THAT
FUNCTIONALITY AND NOT CREATE A
GRAY AREA AS IT RELATES TO THAT
FUNCTIONALITY ON THE ROVER APP.
>> THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> MY QUESTIONS ARE GETTING
ANSWERED BY JUST THAT LAST
RESPONSE.
THANK YOU.
>> VERY GOOD.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU.
I WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND A
LITTLE BIT MORE ABOUT THE
GEOGRAPHIC MONITORING BY A
MARKETPLACE COMPANY.
IS THERE A WAY TO TAILOR THAT?
A CONSUMER WOULD BE EXCITED TO
KNOW WHERE THEIR DOG WAS
WALKED, BARGAIN IF YOU NOT A
PERTINENT INFORMATION FOR A
COMPANY.
YOU THINK THAT WOULD BE
INFORMATION SHARED BETWEEN THE
CLIENT AND WORKER OR THE
PROVIDER OF THE LABOR.
SO IS THERE SOME NUANCE THROUGH
INFORMATION COULD BE PROVIDED
THROUGH A PURCHASER OF THE
LABOR VERSUS HAVING THE
INFORMATION SHARED WITH THE
COMPANY?
OR IS THIS AMENDMENT THAT THE
INFORMATION IS ALSO SHARED WITH
THE COMPANY?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THE
MAPS, FOR EXAMPLE, SHARED
THROUGH THE PLATFORM BUT NOT
MONITORED BY THE COMPANY.
THEY DON'T LOOK AT IT -- I
THINK THEY WOULD HAVE THE
ABILITY TO LOOK AT IT BUT THE
CURRENT PRACTICE IS NOT LOOK AT
THAT TO SEE WHERE THE WALKER
WENT OR SEE THE ROUTES THAT
THEY HAVE TAKEN ANYWAY.
I HEAR YOUR CONCERN ABOUT THE
COMPANIES MONITORING IN THAT
WAY.
I DON'T BELIEVE THAT IS CURRENT
PRACTICE BUT CERTAINLY IF THAT
WAS SOMETHING THAT YOU WERE
CONCERNED ABOUT THAT IS MAYBE
SOMETHING THAT WE COULD
CONTINUE TO WORK ON AS THE --
AS THE LEGISLATION IS
CONSIDERED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH WITH THE
AMENDMENT AND I LOOK FORWARD TO
CHATTING MORE ABOUT THAT.
MADAM CHAIR, I WILL BE VOTING
NO DUE TO THE ENFORCEMENT
CONCERNS ESPECIALLY WITH OLS
HAS SIGNED ON IT.
I THINK ALL THE WORK ON THIS .
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH,
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
AND WANTING TO FOCUS MY
COMMENTS ON WHAT WE HEARD FROM
THE INTERNATIONAL EMPLOYMENT
LAW PROJECT IN THE MAY TENTH
LETTER TO COUNCIL.
THEY ARE ALSO ADVOCATING NOT
HAVING THE PIECEMEAL APPROACH
BUT REALLY FOCUSING ON
REGULATING WORKERS WHO SHARE
THE OVER ARCHING COMMENTS,
CHARACTERISTICS OF RECEIVING
THEIR TASK THROUGH A DIGITAL
APPLICATION.
THIS MAKES GOOD SENSE, AND
BOTH THE MARKETPLACE PLATFORMS
AND NETWORK COMPANIES DEFINED
IN THE BILL MANAGE THEIR
BUSINESS BASED ON THE
TECHNOLOGY TO COMPLY WITH THE
BILL AND GOES ON TO SAY
HISTORICALLY EXCLUSION FROM AND
LIMITATIONS ON BEDROCK
PROTECTIONS HAVE EXCLUDED TOO
MANY WORKERS, PARTICULARLY TOO
MANY BLACK AND IMMIGRANT
WORKERS THAT IS CONSIST TONIGHT
RAISE SEATTLE'S EQUITY AND WITH
THE COUNCIL'S ROLE ON WAGE AND
LABOR AND IMPROVE WORKERS'
LIVES AND PROMOTE A HEALTHY AND
VIBRANT ECONOMY.
AND AGAIN, I -- I RECOGNIZE THE
-- THAT THERE -- WE DON'T KNOW
WHAT WE DON'T KNOW.
BUT WE HAVE A HARD TIME
IMAGINING HOW EXISTING ON-
DEMAND NETWORK COMPANIES COULD
REFIGURE THEIR ALGORITHMS IN A
WAY TO OR THEIR MODELS IN A WAY
TO BE DEFINED AS A MARKETPLACE
NETWORK BUT I HAVE CONCERNS
EVEN WITHOUT IMAGINING A NEW
BUSINESS MODEL.
I DO HAVE CONCERNS AS EXPRESSED
BY COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA AND
BOTH OUR LABOR STANDARDS
ADVISORY COMMITTEE AND THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS ABOUT
THE ABILITY TO ENFORCE THE
CONCEPT OF PRIMARILY VERSUS
EXCLUSIVELY.
SO ONE OF THE FLAGS, I TOO, AM
LEANING TO VOTE AGAINST
AMENDMENT TWO.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD.
I HAVE SPENT TIME OBSESSING
THIS.
I DO ULTIMATELY DISAGREE THAT
THIS PARTICULAR CATEGORY OF APP
IS SO MORE BY VIRTUE OF BEING
AN APP.
I DO THINK THE BUSINESS MODEL
SIMILARLY GIVES ME THIS ABIDING
CONCERN THERE COULD BE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN THE
OTHER DIRECTION AND IT COULD BE
EVERY INCLUSIVE AND HAVE
STRANGE RESULTS.
I THINK THE CONVERSATION ABOUT
THE GEOGRAPHIC LOCATION
INTERFACES WITH ROVER WALKING
THE DOGS IS AN ILLUSTRATION OF
THE FACT THAT I -- I JUST KEEP
HAVING THE ABIDING SENSE THAT
WE ARE INSERTING THE REGULATION
OF THE MARKETPLACE APP INTO
PRIMARILY WHICH IS AN ON-DEMAND
REGULATORY DELIVERY BILL.
BUT THAT DOESN'T MEAN I'M
OPPOSED TO DOING SOMETHING TO
REGULATE THE APP.
I THINK THERE ARE STAKEHOLDERS
THAT WOULD WARRANT ATTENTION
FROM THE CITY WITH THE TAILORED
MARKETPLACE APP BUT I THINK
THERE ARE PLACES THROUGHOUT THE
BILL NOT JUST WITH THE PAY
STANDARD BUT WITH SOME OF THE
FLEXIBILITY AND TRANSPARENCY
REQUIREMENTS THAT DON'T DEEPLY
APPLY TO THIS CATEGORY OF
BUSINESS MODEL.
SO I'M SATISFIED FROM THE
RESPONSES FROM CENTRAL STAFF
THAT THE TIGHTNESS OF THE
DEFINITION OF SUCH THAT IT
WOULD BE DIFFICULT FOR THE
DELIVERY APP TO CHANGE THEIR
BUSINESS MODEL IN ORDER TO
UNDERMINE THE APPLICATION OF
THIS LEGISLATION TO INSTACART
AND DOORDASH AND UBER EATS.
BECAUSE I WAS STRUGGLING WITH
THIS, I DRAFTED AN AMENDMENT
WITH THE ANTICIPATION OF
SUPPORTING THIS ROUTE AND HAVE
THROUGHOUT THE NEXT SEVERAL
MONTHS THAT THEY DO SEVERELY
THINK IT WOULD BE IMPOSSIBLE TO
DO THIS WITHOUT HAVING
LOOPHOLES THAT UNDER MINE THIS
APP -- THIS APPLICATION AND
THE DELIVERY APPS TO CHANGE
THIS IF SOMETHING LIKE THAT
MATERIALIZES BUT I JUST --
EVERY TIME I LOOK INTO THIS
WITH MORE DETAIL, I LOOK FOR A
WAY TO TAKE AN ELEPHANT AND
REFINE IT INTO A WHALE.
SO I'M INCLINED TO VOTE FOR
THIS TODAY.
>> AND THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LWIS.
AND ONCE AGAIN, I HAVE GOTTEN A
BIT OUT OF ORDER.
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN, WE WILL
HAVE YOU MOVE YOUR AMENDMENT
BEFORE WE VOTE.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD, I MOVE THE
UNDERLYING BILL WITH THE
AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU.
THE SECOND?
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, THANK
YOU FOR THE SECOND.
THANK YOU ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS FOR AMENDMENT TWO
BEFORE WE CALL THE VOTE?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH, MADAM
CHAIR.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTAND IF THIS AMENDMENT
PASSES WHAT IS AT STAKE OR ON
THE TO-DO LIST AND THIS IS A
QUESTION FOR CENTRAL STAFF
THAT'S GREAT OR LABOR STANDARDS
F THEY ARE WATCHING THEY CAN
GET BACK TO US AND LET US KNOW.
BUT MY UNDERSTANDING FROM
HEARING THE ANALYSIS FROM
CENTRAL STAFF AND LOOKING AT
THE AMENDMENT IS IT COULD
VASTLY SPAN THE MARKETPLACE
COMPANY CREATING SUCH A
LOOPHOLE THAT THE ABILITY TO
TRACK ON-DEMAND JOBS, THE
ABILITY FOR OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS TO UNDERSTAND WHETHER
AND WHICH TYPE OF JOBS THEY ARE
SUPPOSED TO BE TRACKING COULD
BE NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE.
IT COULD BE A BARRIER OF
ENFORCEMENT, THE ENTIRETY OF A
COMPANY BEFORE DETERMINING
WHETHER THE WORKERS ARE BEING
PAID WHAT THEY NEED, SO IS
THERE ANY WRITTEN ANALYSIS THAT
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS
CURRENTLY HAS IN FRONT OF US
THAT WE COULD TAKE A LOOK TO
SEE IF THAT ASSUMPTION ABOUT
WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS CREATING
A LOOPHOLE OR MEANING THAT THEY
COULD OFFER ON-DEMAND WORK
WHILE PERFORMING THE WORK AND
STOP AND START WORK BUT NOT
HAVE TO PAY THAT, WILL THAT BE
A PROBLEM?
THESE ARE THE QUESTIONS I THINK
WILL UNDERMINE THE HEART OF THE
BILL, AND I AM NOT SEEING
THINGS TO COUNTER THAT FROM THE
COSPONSOR,
AND I AM ASKING ABOUT A FULL
LIST BEFORE THE FINAL PASSAGE
OF THE BILL.
>> SURE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
>> I WILL WORK WITH OLS TO GET
A MORE WRITTEN RESPONSE TO YOU
AND THEY EXPRESSED THAT THEY
PREFER THE EXCLUSIVELY RATHER
THAN PRIMARILY, AND THE
PRIMARILY LANGUAGE REQUIRES
THEM TO KEEP THEM LOOKING AT
THE COMPANY, FOR EXAMPLE, HOW
MANY OF YOUR OFFERS ARE PRE-
SCHEDULED OF VERSUS ON DEMAND
IN DETERMINING IF IT'S A
MARKETPLACE COMPANY.
AND A SIMILAR WAY USING THE
PRIMARILY ENGAGED LANGUAGE WITH
THE ON DEMAND COMPANIES, AND
WE'LL BE HAVING TO LOOK AT
COMPANIES THAT ARE ON DEMAND TO
ENSURE -- LIKE THEY WILL HAVE
TO DETERMINE HOW MUCH WORK THEY
NEED BEFORE THEY ARE AN ON
DEMAND OR MARKETPLACE COMPANY.
I WILL WORK WITH OLS TO GET A
WRITTEN RESPONSE TO YOUR
QUESTION ABOUT, SPECIAL, YOU
KNOW, HOW MUCH WORKPLACE THIS
WOULD BE IN ADDITION TO THE
WORKPLACE DEFINITION.
>> THANK YOU, AMY.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS BEFORE WE
CALL THE VOTE?
SEE NONE.
CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
THE VOTE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> NO.
>> THAT IS THREE IN FAVOR, TWO
OPPOSED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THE AMENDMENT PASSES.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF PLEASE
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT THREE.
>> THE NEXT AMENDMENT FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION IS AMENDMENT
THREE VERSION ONE, SPONSORED BY
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
CHAIR HERBOLD, WOULD IT BE
BETTER TO PAUSE HERE FOR TO YOU
HAVE IT MOVED OR WOULD YOU
RATHER ME GO INTO THE
DISCUSSION FIRST?
>> IF YOU COULD GIVE A
DESCRIPTION AND I WILL ASK
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSON IF HE
HAS MORE CONSIDERATIONS AND
THEN MOVE IT.
>> THIS IS THE CHAPTER THAT
WOULD ESTABLISH THE MINIUM
NETWORK PAYMENT REQUIRE AS WELL
AS THE TRANSPARENCY AND
FLEXIBILITY REQUIREMENTS OF
COUNCIL BILL 120 94.
I WILL TURN IT OVER TO
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU CHAIR HERBOLD AND
AMY GORE FOR THAT OVERVIEW.
MY COMMENT AT THE BEGINNING OF
AMENDMENT TWO IS THE SAME FOR
MEANT 3. AND THIS IS
A MASSIVE UNDERTAKING, NEVER
BEEN DONE IN THE NATION AND WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT A DIFFERENT
TECHNOLOGY MODEL HERE, AND I
WOULD ASK MY COLLEAGUES TO
CONSIDER THIS AMENDMENT.
WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO MOVE THE
AMENDMENT?
>> LET'S SEE IF THERE ARE ANY
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS FIRST,
JUST CLARIFYING QUESTIONS?
AND THEN WE WILL MOVE THE
AMENDMENT AND HEAR FROM FOLKS
ON HOW THEY FEEL ABOUT THE
AMENDMENT.
SO ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT.
NOT SEEING ANY COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN, WOULD YOU LIKE TO
MOVE THE BILLY MEAN, MOVE THE
AMENDMENT?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
COLLEAGUES, I MOVE TO ACCEPT
AMENDMENT THREE AS PRESENTED IN
TABLE ONE WITH OUR AGENDA
TODAY, THE MARKETPLACE NETWORK
COMPANY.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
AND LET'S MOVE TO DISCUSSION IF
COLLEAGUES HAVE QUESTIONS OR
COMMENTS ABOUT THIS BILL, WOULD
LOVE TO HEAR THEM.
LOOKING FOR RAISED HANDS.
I SEE A REAL HAND.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH AND
PERHAPS THAT WAS A CLARIFYING
QUESTION FOR CENTRAL STAFF.
IT'S ELIMINATING THIS ENTIRE
CATEGORY EVERY WORKERS FROM
BEING COVERED BY MINIMUM WAGE.
IS THAT CORRECT?
>> YES.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
>> ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS?
>> I WILL STICK WITH MY HAND
AND MADAM CHAIR, THIS IS A
FOLLOW UP, AND ALONG THE LINES
FROM THE COMMENTS YOU RECEIVED
FROM THE INTERNATIONAL LAW
PROJECT AND THE IMPACT OF LABOR
STANDARDS AND THE
DISPROPORTIONAL LACK OF LABOR
STANDARDS ON BLACK AND BROWN
WORKERS I THINK THIS WOULD
EXCLUDE THOUSANDS OF WORKERS
FROM THE PROTECTIONS THAT WE
ARE SEEKING TO APPLY AND OF
NOTE, THIS COULD DISPROPORTION
ATLY FALL ON BLACK AND BROWN
WORKERS AND I AM WORRIED ABOUT
THE UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND
THE CONCERN THAT THIS COULD
PAY THEIR WORKERS LEFT. S TO
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, GO AHEAD.
>> THANK YOU.
I SHARE THE CONCERN OF
CONSEQUENCES VOICEED BY
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSON, AND I
SAID FROM THE GET GO, MONTHS
AGO THAT I WAS CONCERNED ABOUT
THE SMALL BUSINESSES AND THE
CUSTOMERS AND DRIVERS OF THE
POTENTIAL IMPACT, INCREASED
DEMAND, HIGHER FEES FOR THE
USER, ET CETERA, AND I
APPRECIATE THAT THE NATIONAL
LABOR -- I DON'T KNOW IF I AM
GETTING THAT RIGHT -- HAS
WEIGHED IN ON THIS BUT I THINK
IT'S VERY IMPORTANT TO LISTEN
TO PEOPLE IN OUR OWN COMMUNITYS
WHO HAVE REACHED OUT TO US AND
LET THEIR CONCERNS BE KNOWN.
WE HEARD FROM JERRY TYSON
EARLIER IN COMMENTS AND THEY
WROTE A LETTER REPRESENTING HOW
HIS COMMUNITY IS SEEING
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES AND
CALLING FOR A STUDY.
WE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT OF
THE LATINA CHAMBER OF COMMERCE
AND WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT THE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES IN THE
LATINA COMMUNITY.
WE GOT A LETTER CONCERNED ABOUT
THE IMPACT OF THE ORDERS AND A
LETTER FROM THE WASHINGTON
BUILD BACK BLACK ALLIANCE, ET
CETERA.
SO WHAT I AM SAYING IS WE HAVE
A RESPONSIBILITY TO LISTEN TO
THE CONCERNS AND THEY ARE
EXPRESSING THE SAME THING OVER
AND OVER AGAIN, AND THAT'S WHY
I WILL BE VOTING IN FAVOR OF
THIS AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON.
OTHER COMMENTS?
A FEW WORDS.
MYSELF HERE, SIMILAR TO
CONCERNS I EXPRESSED WITH
AMENDMENT TWO, I WANT TO
EXPLAIN THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS
POLICY IS TO REGULATE AN
UNREGULATED SECTOR OF THE
ECONOMY, THE LARGEST GROWING
SECTOR.
WE ARE NOT REGULATING BUSINESS
MODELS BECAUSE THEY ARE
CONSTANTLY CHANGING AND
EVOLVING.
BUT WE DO RECOGNIZE THAT THAT
THE MARKETPLACE APP REGULATION
WITHIN THE BILL REGULATING
MULTIPLE TYPES -- REGULATING
THE UNREGULATED SECTOR OF OUR
ECONOMY, WE RECOGNIZE THE
MARKETPLACE APPS SHOULD HAVE A
DIFFERENT THRESHOLD TO ME.
FOR THAT REASON THERE ARE
ELEMENTS, BASIC PAYMENT
ELEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY
THE ON-DEMAND NETWORK COMPANY
FOR THEIR COMPENSATION MODEL
THAT AREN'T INCLUDED IN THE
MARKETPLACE APPS REGULATION.
SO I WANT TO -- AGAIN, I REALLY
APPRECIATE THAT MARKETPLACE
APPS HAVE SINCERELY ENGAGED
FROM THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESS
AND YET THEY STILL ENGAGED IN
THE PROCESS IN CASE WE
CONTINUED TO ENSURE THAT THE
POLICY COVER THEIR MODEL AS L
AND WE HAVE INCLUDED MUCH OF
THEIR INPUT IN THIS
LEGISLATION.
AGAIN, UNDERSTANDING THEY WOULD
RATHER BE EXEMPTED, AND WE
HAVE STILL WORKED TO INEXCLUDE
THEIR INPUT TO MAINTAIN SOME
REGULATION OF THIS UNREGULATED
INDUSTRY.
SO WITH THAT REASON, I AM
REALLY STRONGLY SORT OF
MAINTAINING THAT FRAMEWORK AND
NOT SUPPORTING THE AMENDMENT.
I DO APPRECIATE THE WORK THAT
WAS DONE ON IT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS?
HEARING NONE, THE CLERK, PLEASE
CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT
THREE IS THAT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> NO.
>> THREE IN FAVOR AND TWO
OPPOSED.
>> SO THE AMENDMENT PASSES.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF PLEASE
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT FOUR?
>> THANK YOU.
AMENDMENT FOUR VERSION ONE AND
SPONSORED BY COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
THIS WOULD REQUEST THAT THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS
REPORT BACK TO COUNCIL IF THEY
BECOME AWARE OF NETWORK
COMPANIES CHANGING THEIR
BUSINESS MODELS FOR USE OF
DEFINITION FOR THE USE OF
MARKETPLACE COMPANIES MURDER IS
TO BE EXCLUSIVED FROM
REQUIREMENTS 8.37, AND IT
REQUESTS THAT OLS RECOMMEND A
DEFINITION OF THE NETWORK BASED
COMPANY AND APPROPRIATE
REGULATIONS FOR THAT BUSINESS
MODEL, AND WITH THAT, I WILL
TURN IT OVER TO COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THIS
AMENDMENT?
>> THANK YOU, AMY AND THANK YOU
CHAIR HERBOLD.
THIS IS TO GIVE OLS THE
OPPORTUNITY TO INTERFACE WITH
THE COMMITTEE IN LIGHT OF THE
AMENDMENTS THAT WE JUST PASSED
TO PROMULGATE ADDITIONAL STAFF
IF THE MARKET IS ADAPTING OR
EVOLVING OR CHANGING TO EXCLUDE
WORK THAT IS ENVISIONED BY THE
ORDINANCE AND COMPANIES
EXPLOITING THE DEFINITIONS IN
AMENDMENT TWO AND AMENDMENT
THREE.
AND BY FORMALLY PUTTING IN A
REPORT BACK AS OLS WILL GRAPPLE
WITH THIS IT GIVES US AN TUNED
REVISIT THIS IF IT UNDERMINES
THE SCOPE AND SCALE AND GIVES
US AN OPPORTUNITY TO BE
INVOLVED IN THE PROCESS.
SO THAT IS ESSENTIALLY THE
AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
AND CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT
THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE GET IT
BEFORE US?
NOT SEE ANYTHING RAISED HANDS,
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> YES, I MOVE AMENDMENT FOUR.
>> OKAY.
>> SECOND.
>> ANY FURTHER DISCUSSION OF
THE AMENDMENT BEFORE WE CALL
THE ROLL?
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
I DEFINITELY SUPPORT THIS, YOU
KNOW, I HAVE BEEN THINKING
ABOUT HOW WE WILL BE EVALUATING
ACTUALLY THE ENTIRE LAW IF IT
GOES INTO EFFECT.
I KNOW THERE WAS SOME
DISCUSSION LAST MONTH WITH THE
CENTRAL STAFF THAT IS STUDYING
THIS,
AND PERHAPS SHOULD BE LOOKING
AT THAT TIME A YEAR LATER.
SO I SUPPORT THIS STUDY ON THIS
PARTICULAR SLIVER OF THE
ORDINANCE, AND MAY WANT TO
TALK ABOUT DOING A BIGGER
EVALUATION LATER SO WE ARE
AWARE OF HOW IT'S IMPLEMENTED
AND PASSED ON TO WORKERS,
CUSTOMERS AND SMALL BUSINESSES.
THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN,
THANK YOU.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS?
ALL RIGHT.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON AMENDMENT NUMBER FOUR?
>> I BELIEVE COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA IS RAISING HER HAND.
>> OH, I AM SO SORRY.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, GO
AHEAD.
>> MUTE CLOSES MY VIDEO DOWN.
SO I'M SORRY ABOUT THAT.
SO LET ME JUST SEE IF WE CAN DO
A QUICK ON THE SPOT ANALYSIS.
WE ARE WORKING ON ACTIVELY
UPDATING OUR FISCAL NOTES TO
MAKE THEM REFLECTIVE OF THE
ONGOING COST AND I ASSUME THAT
AN AMENDMENT LIKE THIS WOULD
ADD TO THE COST AND IF I
UNDERSTAND COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN, IF I UNDERSTAND YOUR
ANALYSIS, IT WOULD ADD TO THE
COST DO.
DO WE HAVE ANY ESTIMATE HOW
THIS WOULD AFFECT THE COST?
>> I CAN ANSWER THAT.
SO THE ACTUAL AMENDMENT DOES
NOT REQUIRE ANY PARTICULAR
ADDITIONAL WORK ON BEHALF OF
OLS.
IT ASKS THAT IF THEY ARE SEEING
COMPANIES CHANGE THEIR BUSINESS
MODEL THAT THEY REPORT THAT
BACK TO THE CITY COUNCIL AND
REALLY, THE EXPECTATION IS THAT
WOULD NOT BE A NEW BODY OF WORK
BUT, INSTEAD, THAT WOULD BE
SOMETHING THAT THEY MIGHT
OBSERVE THROUGH THEIR YEAR-LONG
OR MORE RULE-MAKING PROCESS.
IT DOES REQUEST THAT IF THEY
ARE SEEING THAT KIND OF CHANGE
THAT THEY WEEK A NEW DEFINITION
OF MARKETPLACE COMPANY AND IT'S
ANTICIPATED THAT THAT WORK
MIGHT ENTAIL ADDITIONAL
RESOURCES FOR OLS AND THEY
WOULD COME TO COUNCIL TO
REQUEST THOSE RESOURCES FOR
SOME SORT OF STUDY OR
ADDITIONAL WORK.
THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE
SPONSOR'S INTENT BUT I WILL
PASS THAT BACK TO COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS TO CONFIRM THAT.
>> YEAH.
THAT WAS MY INTENT.
I MEAN SOME OF THE THIS WORK
OLS WILL SORT OF BE DOING IN
THE GENERAL IMPLEMENTATION OF
THE LEGISLATION ANYWAY, AND
THIS IS DESIGNING AN ENTIRELY
NEW SET OF LABOR REGULATIONS
AND THE REPORT BACK TO
VUNERABILITIES, I IMAGINE, WILL
BE A COMPONENT OF THAT WORK.
>> YOU APPRECIATE THAT THERE
WERE And NUMBER OF MOMENTS OF
AND HOW THEY WERE INTERTWINED
BUT THIS IS NOT WHAT THE OFFICE
OF LABOR AND STANDARDS INTENDED
TO AUTHORIZE.
I THINK THERE IS UNAUTHORIZED
STANDARDS ON THE COMPANY BE
HIVE YEAR IN THE INDUSTRY AND
FINISH OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS IS NOW IN THE PROCESS
OF HAVING TO LOOK TO SEE IF THE
COMPANY IS SHIFTING BEHAVIOR
FOR THE TYPE OF WORKERS THAT
THEY HAVE, I THINK IT'S A WHOLE
OTHER SET OF POLICIES THAT WE
MIGHT HAVE TO CONSIDER OR LET
ME REPHRASE THAT.
A SET OF RESOURCES THAT WE
MIGHT WANT TO CONSIDER SO OLS
HAS THE AND -- CAPACITY TO DO
THE ANALYSIS.
I WILL BE VOTING YES BECAUSE I
THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO GET THE
DATA BUT THE NOTES ARE THAT WE
NEED TO POINT BACK HERE EVERY
YEAR, AND ESPECIALLY YEARS
LIKE NOW, AND WE NEED A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT THE
STANDARDS WOULD BE FROM THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS AND
SKI THAT THEY ADD THIS TO THEIR
LIST AND I AM NOT SURE THAT WE
HAVE THE UNDERLYING BILL IN THE
FULL INTENT IN FRONT OF US TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE ARE
ACCOMPLISHING THOSE PROTECTIONS
ESPECIALLY FOR THE MOST GIG
WORKERS IF WE HAVE A WORRY THAT
THEY WILL BE SHIFTING BEHAVIOR
WITHIN THIS INDUSTRY.
SO, YES, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW
MORE ABOUT WHAT THEY SEE AND I
WANT TO BE REALLY CLEAR WITH
THE OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS
AND COMMITTEE BUT THIS IS NOT
WHAT THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS WAS GOING TO DO
ANYWAY.
I WILL BE VOTING YES BUT I
THINK WE NEED A CLEARER
UNDERSTANDING OF THE CAPACITY
AND WITH THE SCOPE OF THE NEED
FOR THE DEPARTMENT AS WELL.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE VOTE AND
THE FISCAL IMPACT.
WITH NO FURTHER QUESTIONS, WILL
THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL
ON THIS AMENDMENT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> YES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES.
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR.
>> SO THE AMENDMENT FOUR
PASSES.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT FIVE?
>> HELLO, COUNCILMEMBERS.
AMENDMENT 5, VERSION ONE AND
THIS WOULD REDUCE THE
ASSOCIATED COST, TIME, AND
MILEAGE FACTORS WHICH ARE
COMPONENTS OF THE MINIMUM
PAYMENT CALCULATION.
AS A REFRESHER, THE MINIMUM CAL
-- CALCULATION IS A PER MINUTE
AMOUNT AND ADDED TO A PER MILE
AMOUNT TIME TO EACH ENGAGED
MILE.
WITHIN THAT PERMITTED AMOUNT,
THERE IS AN ASSOCIATED TIME
FACTOR AND COST FACTOR WHICH
ARE A MARKUP AND WENT PER MILE
AMENDMENT, THE ASSOCIATED
MILEAGE FACTOR FOR THE RATE.
THE AMOUNT OF THE THE
REDUCTIONS ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF
THE MEMO IN THE LIST OF
AMENDMENTS, AND SPECIFICALLY,
THE ASSOCIATED COST FACT SORE
REDUCED IN 1.13 TO 1.12.
THE ASSOCIATED TIME FACTOR
REDUCED IN 1.21 TO 1.17 AND THE
ASSOCIATED MILEAGE FACTOR
REDUCED IN 1.25 TO 1.10.
AND THE ULTIMATE RESULT IS THE
PERFECT-OFFER MINIMUM AMOUNT
FOR AVERAGE WORKERS WOULD BE
LESS AND IN 2022, THE PER-
MINUTE PAYMENT WOULD BE FROM 39
CENTS PER MINUTE TO 32 CENTS
PER MILT AND THE PER- MILE
AMOUNT WOULD BE 73 CENTS PER
MILE TO 64 CENTS PER MILE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND THIS IS AN AMENDMENT THAT
IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF AND
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SPEAK FOR THE
AMENDMENT?
>> YES, THANK YOU,
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD.
WE HAVE SEEN A LOT OF
STAKEHOLDER CLAIM,
AND WORKING WITH WASHINGTON AND
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD'S OFFICE
AND MY OFFICE.
AND IS REFLECTIVE OF THE
OUTREACH IN FORMING THE COST
FACTORS FOR SEATTLE AND THE
CITY MARKET STAKEHOLDERRING AND
WE ARE BRINGING IT FORWARD WITH
THE CONSIDERATION OF THE
COMMITTEE.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
AND I WANT TO ECHO MY
APPRECIATION TO THE
STAKEHOLDERS WHO WORK TOGETHER
ON A COMPROMISE AND JOINTLY
CAME TOGETHER FOR THE CHANGE.
ANY OF ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS ON THE AMENDMENT?
NOT SEEING ANY, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE
THE AMENDMENT?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT FIVE.
>> THANK YOU.
ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON THE PASSAGE OF THE
AMENDMENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> WHEN THE AMENDMENT IS
SECONDED AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> YES.
>> AND VICE CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR.
>> WOULD YOU PLEASE READ
AMENDMENT FIVE.
AS A RESULT, THE ASSOCIATED
COST FACTOR WOULD REMAIN
CONSTANTLY FOR THREE YEARS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SPEAK AS SPONSOR?
>> YES, MONTHS AND MONTHS OF
TALK AND OUTREACH WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS TO COME UP WITH
THE CALCULATIONS BEFORE US IT
SEEMS LIKE A LOT OF WORK ON A
CONTINUAL BASIS.
JUST ONE YEAR TO CONSIDER
CHANGING, AND ALSO IT HELPS
THE NETWORK COMPANIES BECAUSE
AS THE OLS DIRECTOR PROPOSES OR
IMPLEMENTS CHANGES TO THE
UNDERLYING CALCULATIONS, THEY
HAVE TO CHANGE THEIR
ALGORITHMS, ET CETERA BECAUSE
THE MINIMUM PAY STANDARDS WILL
CHANGE.
SO IT HELPS THOSE COMPANIES AS
WELL.
AND IT PROVIDES FOR MORE
PREDICTABILITY IN THE
MARKETPLACE AND IT HELPS THE
SMALL BUSINESSES THAT RELY ON
THE APP-BASED SERVICES AND THE
NETWORKS THEMSELVES AND THE
USERS AND DRIVERS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS BEFORE
I ASK THE SPONSORS TO MAKE A
MOTION?
NOT SEE ANYTHING CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON
WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE THE
AMENDMENT?
>> I MOVE THE AMENDMENT.
>> SECONDED.
>> THANK YOU.
>> AND A COUPLE OF THOUGHTS
BEFORE I OPEN IT UP, THE
LEGISLATION ASK NOT REQUIRE OLS
TO LOOK AT THE ASSOCIATED COSTS
AND FACTORS BUT IT JUST CHANGES
THE DISCRETION AND APPRECIATE
THE AMENDMENT SPONSOR
CLARIFYING THAT IT'S NOT IN
CONFLICT WITH OLS' WORKING WITH
THE ADMINISTRATION MOVING
FORWARD.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
ON THE AMENDMENT?
NOT SEE ANYTHING, ALL RIGHT.
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE
AMENDMENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE
>> COUNCILMEMBER PAIDER SEASON?
>> VICE CHAIR LEWIS.
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR AND COULD YOU
READ THE NEXT AMENDMENT.
>> THIS IS SPONSORED BY CHAIR
HERBOLD AND GIVE THE DIRECTOR
OF THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS THE MAJORITY TO
ADJUSTMENT THE ASSOCIATED COST
FACTOR AND TIME FACTOR.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD GRANT
AUTHORITY TO OLS DIRECTORS TO
ADJUSTMENT THE ASSOCIATED
MILEAGE FACTOR CONTINUALLY AND
PROVIDE SIGNAGE ON THESE FACTOR
WHICH IS MAKING ADJUSTMENT.
I DISTRIBUTED VERSION TWO OF
THIS LAST EVENING, WITH THE
REFERENCE TO THE ASSOCIATED
TIME FACTOR RATHER THAN THE
ASSOCIATED MILEAGE FACTOR.
>> THANK YOU.
THIS IS PROPOSED BY
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS AND I, AND
I DON'T HAVE TOO MUCH TO HAVE
ADD.
IT WAS AS STATED, CORRECTING A
DRAFTING ERROR AND TAKING THE
AMENDMENT THAT LOWERS THE
ASSOCIATED MILEAGE FACTOR FROM
1.25 TO 1.1 AND THE NEXT
AMENDMENT FROM COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON WILL MAKE CHANGES THAT
WERE MADE IN THE PREVIOUS
AMENDMENT TO THIS AMENDMENT.
SO ANY OTHER CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS?
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THE
ASSOCIATED MILEAGE FACTOR,
EXACTLY?
>> AMY, DO YOU WANT TO TAKE
THAT?
>> THE ASSOCIATED MILEAGE
FACTOR ACCOUNTS FOR MILEAGE
THAT -- THE MILEAGE THAT A
WORKER DRIVES WHILE THEY ARE
WORKING ON AN OFFER IS COVERED
UNDER THE GUARANTEED MINIMUM
PAYMENT.
THE MILEAGE FACTOR IS A
MULTIPLIER TO ACCOUNT FOR
MILEAGE THAT IS DRIVEN BEFORE
OR AFTER THEY BEGIN THEIR
OFFER.
FOR EXAMPLE, MAYBE A DOORDASH
DRIVER, AFTER THEY DELIVERED
THE ORDER, THEY ARE NO LONGER
PAID, SO THEY NEED TO RETURN
BACK TO AN AREA WHERE THEY ARE
PROBABLY DOING A PICKUP.
SO IT'S THAT KIND OF EXTRA
MILEAGE THAT CONSIDERS BEFORE
OR AFTER AN OFFER IS TO COVER
THAT TYPE OF MILEAGE.
>> THANK YOU.
>> ALL RIGHT.
NOT SEEING ANY ADDITIONAL
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS, I WILL
MOVE AMENDMENT SEVEN AS
PRESENTED ON THE -- SHOULD BE A
TECH MEMO.
IS THERE A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS FROM MY
COLLEAGUES BEFORE WE CALL THE
ROLL ON THE VOTE?
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> I KNOW THAT THE POLICY
MAKING, THE DEVIL'S OFTEN IN
THE DETAILS, AND IN MY OPINION
A LOT OF THE DETAILS ARE LEFT
TO OLS' DIRECTORS' DIRECTION
OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE OF COUNCIL
APPROVAL.
SO THAT'S ALWAYS BEEN A GRIPE
OF MINE.
BUT THE THING ABOUT THE -- I
GUESS I ALWAYS ASSUMED THAT THE
ASSOCIATED COSTS FACTORS WOULD
NOT CHANGE
>>> IT'S NOT REFLECTIVE OF THE
CARS DRIVEN IN THIS AREA AND
FOR THE DRIVING AND THE BEACON
STUDY LOOKED AT INSURANCE RATES
AND GAS PRICES AND DEPRECIATION
RATES AND THEY SAID .30 OR NOW
.36 WOULD BE BETTER BECAUSE OF
RISING GAS PRICES BUT
REGARDLESS, AGAIN, I WILL VOTE
NO BECAUSE I'M TRYING TO CREATE
PREDICTABILITY.
TO WEIGH-IN ON THE UNDERLYING
INPUT AND THE THINGS THAT DRIVE
THE MINIMUM PAY STANDARD.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMAN.
ANY INITIAL COMMENTS OR
DISCUSSION ABOUT THIS
AMENDMENT?
AGAIN, IT DOES NOT REQUIRE AN
ADJUSTMENT AND IT GIVES THE
AUTHORITY TO DO SO.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THE
COMMISSION WILL BE READY WITH
UBER AND DOORDASH TO REFLECT A
SMALL AND SPECIFIC SEDAN MODEL
THAT MAY NOT BE REFLECTIVE OF
ALL VEHICLES USED IN THIS TYPE
OF WORK.
SO, WITH THAT FLEXIBILITY, IT
NEEDS TO BE CONSIDERED MOVING
FORWARD.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, I
WANT TO CLARIFY THAT THE PER
MILE AMOUNT IS ACTUALLY
COMPOSED OF TWO DIFFERENT
NUMBERS AND ONE IS THE STANDARD
MILEAGE RATE SET BY THE IRS AND
WOULD CHANGE ANNUALLY BASED ON
ANY ADJUSTMENTS THE IRS MAKES
AND THEN IT IS THE ASSOCIATED
MILEAGE FACTOR THAT WOULD BE
ADJUSTED BY THE OLS DIRECTOR,
SIMILAR TO THE COST FACTOR AND
THE ASSOCIATED TIME FACTOR.
BOTH OF THOSE ARE COMPONENTS OF
THE PER MILE AMOUNT.
WE JUST WANT TO CLARIFY THAT.
>> VERY HELPFUL.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, YOUR HAND
IS UP?
THANK YOU.
NOT SEEING ANY OTHER RAISED
HANDS.
LET'S SEE -- LET'S MOVE TOWARD
CALLING THE ROLL CALL.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> NAY.
>> COUNCILMEMBER --
>> ABSTAIN.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> THREE IN FAVOR AND ONE
OPPOSED AND ONE ABSTENTION.
>> THANK YOU.
NUMBER SEVEN PASSES AND WE WILL
GO TO AMENDMENT 16, AMENDMENT
15.
>> AS YOU NOTED, WE ARE
SKIPPING AHEAD TO 15 BECAUSE IT
RELATES TOPICALLY TO THE
PREVIOUS AMENDMENT DISCUSSED IN
THE NEXT IS AMENDMENT 15
VERSION ONE AND THIS AMENDMENT
IS NOT IN THE MEMO BUT WAS
DISTRIBUTED VIA EMAIL LAST NIGHT
SIMILAR TO AMENDMENT 6 THAT
WOULD CHANGE THE FREQUENCY OF
PERMITTED ADJUSTMENTS TO THE
ASSOCIATED MILEAGE FACTOR FROM
ANNUALLY TO THREE YEARS AND
THIS WOULD MAKE THE ADJUSTMENTS
CONSISTENT WITH THOSE OF THE
ASSOCIATED COST FACTOR AND
ASSOCIATED TIME FACTOR AND WITH
THAT, I WILL TURN IT OVER TO
THE SPONSOR, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON.
>> THANK YOU.
WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE
AMENDMENT?
>> THIS IS BASICALLY MAKING SURE
THAT AT THE DISCRETION OF THE
DIRECTOR, ANY CHANGES ARE IN
SYNC.
IT SEEMS MORE SIMPLE THAT ALL
THREE COST FACTORS ARE
EVALUATED AT THE SAME TIME.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON AND IF THERE ARE NO
FURTHER CLARIFYING QUESTIONS --
NOT SEEING ANY -- I WILL
ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
WOULD YOU MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT 15.
>> THANK YOU.
A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
I SUPPORT THIS AMENDMENT AND I
KNOW IT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE
OTHER MEN AND WE VOTED ON
EARLIER WITH THE INTENT AND THE
WORK OF THE SPONSOR.
IF THERE ARE OTHER COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS, LET'S HEAR THEM NOW.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
I WANT TO TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO THANK THE SPONSOR FOR HER
WORK ON THIS AND SPECIFICALLY,
KATE NOLAN WITH WORKING FOR OUR
OFFICE TO UNDERSTAND THE
AMENDMENT IN DETAIL AND I WILL
BE VOTING YES.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
NOT HEARING ANYTHING FURTHER OR
SING HANDS RAISED, WILL THE
CLERK CALL THE ROLL ON
AMENDMENT 15.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR.
AMENDMENT 15 PASSES.
WITH AMENDMENT 8, WILL STAFF
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT 8?
>> YES.
HELLO.
AMENDMENT 8 WOULD CHANGE THE
NOTICE OF RIGHTS SECTION AND IT
WOULD BE THREE WAYS.
ONE WOULD REQUIRE OLS TO PRODUCE
A MODEL NOTICE OF RIGHTS AND
TRANSLATIONS WHERE THE CURRENT
DRAFT HAS IT AS PERMISSIVE AND
IT WOULD ALSO REQUIRE THAT THE
NOTICE OF RIGHTS HAS A
DESCRIPTION OF WHETHER THE
NETWORK COMPANY IDENTIFIES AS
ON-DEMAND, MARKETPLACE OR
NEITHER AND WHAT THE
IMPLICATIONS ARE FOR ENGAGED
TIME AND MILES AND WOULD ALSO
REQUIRE THE NETWORK COMPANY TO
FILE THEIR NOTICE OF RIGHTS
WITH OLS.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ENSURE THAT
THE ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS ARE
AVAILABLE TO NETWORK COMPANIES
AND ASSIST OLS WITH OUTREACH
AND IMPLEMENTATION BY
CLARIFYING FOR THE WORKERS WHAT
TYPE OF NETWORK COMPANY THEY
LIKELY WORK FOR AND WHEN TO
EXPECT TIME AND MILES TO APPLY.
I RECOGNIZE WITH THE PASSAGE OF
AMENDMENT 2 AND THREE, EXCLUDING
MARKETPLACE NETWORKS FROM
COVERAGE, WE MADE TO ADJUST THE
LANGUAGE OF THE AMENDMENT,
WHICH WE CAN DO NOW AT THE
VIRTUAL TABLE OR WE CAN FIGURE
IT OUT FOR THE FULL COUNCIL.
BUT, THAT IS THE UNDERLYING
DESCRIPTION.
>> THANK YOU, JASMINE.
WE APPRECIATE IT.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO HOW WE WOULD
GO ABOUT DOING THAT AT THE
TABLE AND WHAT YOUR
RECOMMENDATION IS?
>> MY RECOMMENDATION IS THAT WE
MAY LEAVE IT IN FOR NOW BECAUSE
I DON'T THINK IT HURTS SINCE
THEY ARE EXCLUDED FROM COVERAGE
AND WE CAN ADJUST FOR THE FULL
COUNCIL, BUT WE COULD,
TECHNICALLY, AMEND IT NOW AND
WE WOULD SEND A NEW VERSION BY
EMAIL TO EVERYONE BUT IT MIGHT
BE A BIT OF A DELAY.
>> YES.
I THINK WE WILL GO WITH YOUR
RECOMMENDATION TO FIT IT IN. I
WANT TO DON'T HAVE ANYTHING
WRONG THAT WE HAVE TO FIX
LATER, ANYHOW.
THIS IS MY AMENDMENTAND THIS
AMENDMENT WAS WITH THE OFFICE
OF LABOR STANDARDS AND IT REFERS
FOR THE WORK TO PRODUCE AT
MODEL NOTICE OF RIGHTS AND
TRANSLATIONS, THEMSELVES AND
ALSO REMOVES THE COMPANIES FROM
HAVING TO PAY FOR AND PROVIDE
THIS INFORMATION.
I UNDERSTAND THAT OLS AND
CENTRAL STAFF HAVE HAD
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT THE
EXPENSES ASSOCIATED WITH THIS
AMENDMENT.
THERE ARE NO CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS.
NOT SEEING ANY.
I WILL MOVE AMENDMENT 8 TO THE
PANEL.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
SO, AMENDMENT 8 IS MOVED AND
SECONDED.
ARE THERE ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
OR QUESTIONS BEFORE WE CALL THE
ROLL?
NOT SEEING ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA MAKE BECOMING OFF
MUTE.
>> PLEASE CALL THE ROLL FOR
AMENDMENT 8.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
FIVE IN FAVOR AND THANK YOU SO
MUCH.
AMENDMENT 8 PASSES.
WILL ALL CENTRAL STAFF DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE?
>> YES.
AMENDMENT NUMBER NINE AMENDS THE
SUBSECTION ON UP FRONT
DISCLOSURES IN A NUMBER OF WAYS
TO ACCOMMODATE THOSE NETWORK
COMPANIES THAT MAKE OFFERS TO
WORKERS THAT INVOLVE MULTIPLE
ORDERS IN A SINGLE OFFER AND
WHERE THE COMPANY DOESN'T KNOW
IN ADVANCE THE DETAILS OF EACH
ORDER.
THE FIRST, AS YOU SCROLL DOWN IF
YOU HAVE THE AMENDMENT IN FRONT
OF YOU, IT CONTAINS A TECHNICAL
CORRECTION REGARDING TIP
DISCLOSURES THAT WAS INCLUDED
IN CASE AMENDMENT 1 DIDN'T PASS
FOR SOME REASON AND THAT IS
WHAT THAT IS ABOUT AND IT IS
TAKEN CARE OF BECAUSE AMENDMENT
NUMBER ONE PAST.
IT WOULD REQUIRE RULES TO BE
ADOPTED, CLARIFYING THE
DISCLOSURE OF UNSEALED CONTENTS
OF ONLINE ORDERS, SO OLS CAN
WORK OUT THE DETAILS ON THE
MANNER AND METHOD OF DISCLOSURE
. IT MAY INVOLVE FURTHER DEED
TAUREN WELLS TO STATE WITH
THESE COMPANIES WHERE THE
ONLINE ORDER IS NOT KNOWN IN
ADVANCE OF THE OFFER.
FINALLY, THIS AMENDMENT WOULD
ALLOW ADDITIONAL INFORMATION TO
BE DISCLOSED AFTER AN OFFER IS
ACCEPTED, INSTEAD OF IN ADVANCE
OF THE OFFER.
IT WOULD ONLY APPLY TO
PRESCHEDULED OFFERS OR OFFERS
CONTAINING MULTIPLE ONLINE
ORDERS, SUCH AS AN OFFER FOR A
PRESCHEDULED BLOCK OF
DELIVERIES AND ONLY IF THE
COMPANY LACKS ADVANCE NOTICE OF
THAT INFORMATION.
THAT WOULD NEED TO BE DISCLOSED
BEFORE THE SPECIFIC ONLINE
ORDER IS ASSIGNED TO A WORKER,
IF IT IS ASCERTAINABLE.
THE INFORMATION IN QUESTION
INCLUDES A NUMBER OF ENGAGED
MILES, ANY TIPS AND THE NAMES OF
BUSINESSES TO BE VISITED.
THE UNDERLYING DRAFT ALSO SAYS
THAT IT APPLIES TO THE PHYSICAL
LABOR REQUIRED FOR THE ORDER
AND ANY UNSEALED CONTENTS.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THIS IS AN AMENDMENT, AGAIN,
THAT IS SPONSORED BY MYSELF AND
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, AND
AMENDMENT THAT WE WORKED WITH
AMAZON CRAFT ON.
I WANT TO HANDED OVER TO
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, AS
COSPONSOR OF THE AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD.
THE AMENDMENT REFLECTS THAT
THERE ARE CERTAIN NETWORK
COMPANIES THAT WE ARE ASKING TO
DISCLOSE INFORMATION AND BASED
ON HOW THEY DO THE DELIVERY,
THEY WOULDN'T HAVE, AT THE
TIME, THE LEGISLATION,
ORIGINALLY.
PEOPLE SIGN UP FOR A SHIFT MORE
IN ADVANCE AND THEY DON'T
NECESSARILY KNOW WHAT IS GOING
TO BE IN THE VEHICLE WHEN THEY
ARE ULTIMATELY DELIVERING IT.
SO, IT'S NOT REALLY FAIR TO
REQUIRE THAT PLATFORM TO DEFINE
IN ADVANCE WHAT WILL BE IN
THOSE PACKAGES OR THAT IT IS
BURDENSOME.
THIS REFLECTS THAT IN SOME CASES
-- AND I WOULD ALSO ADD THAT
IT'S DIFFERENT FROM FOOD
DELIVERY APPS WHERE THEY COULD
BE AN ANALOGY SITUATION OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT IN AN ORDER
THAT COULD POSE AN ISSUE TO THE
DRIVER.
WE ARE MOSTLY TALKING ABOUT
SEALED CONTENTS LIKE AMAZON
DELIVERIES HERE, JUST TO REFLECT
THAT WE ARE REQUESTING CERTAIN
INFORMATION THEY WOULDN'T HAVE
AT ANY GIVEN TIME BASED ON
THEIR MODEL.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS.
ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS FROM THE
COUNCILMEMBERS BEFORE WE MOVE
THIS AMENDMENT FORWARD?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> NO.
>> OKAY, GOOD.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS, WOULD YOU
MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT 9.
>> SECOND.
ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS ABOUT AMENDMENT 9
BEFORE WE CALL THE ROLL?
NOT SEEING ANY COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS.
CALL THE ROLL ON AMENDMENT 9.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD, YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR.
>> THANK YOU.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF PLEASE
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT 14?
>> YES.
AMENDMENT 14 OF VERSION ONE IS
SPONSORED BY COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON AND THIS AMENDMENT WOULD
REMOVE THE TIP AMOUNT FROM UP
FRONT DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENTS
FOR EACH OFFER AND AS A RESULT,
NETWORK COMPANIES WOULD NOT BE
REQUIRED TO PROVIDE TIP AMOUNTS
WHEN FACILITATING OR PRESENTING
AN OFFER AND TO PROVIDE MORE
CONTEXT FOR EACH OFFER, NETWORK
COMPANIES ARE REQUIRED IN THE
INTRODUCE LEGISLATION TO
PROVIDE A RANGE OF INFORMATION
TO INCLUDE THE BEST ESTIMATE OF
REASONABLE ENGAGED TIME,
REASONABLE ENGAGED MIND AND
GUARANTEED NETWORK COMPANY
PAYMENTS, TIP AMOUNTS AND OTHER
INFORMATION.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD REMOVE THE
AMOUNT OF TIPS A CUSTOMER MAY
HAVE INDICATED, ALTHOUGH
CUSTOMERS ARE NOT REQUIRED TO
INDICATE TIPS FROM THE
GUARANTEED MINIMUM PAYMENT.
DUE TO THE DEFINITION OF HOW
TIPS INTERSECT WITH GUARANTEED
MINIMUM PAYMENT, COMPANIES
WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED WITH THIS
AMENDMENT PASSING, TO FOLD TIPS
INTO THE MINIMUM PAYMENT THAT
IS PART OF THE OFFER.
SO, WORKERS WOULD NOT BE
SURPRISED TO FIND THAT THEY
DON'T GET A TIP BECAUSE IT'S
ALREADY BEEN INCLUDED IN THE
OFFER.
I FEEL LIKE THAT IS IMPORTANT
TO DISTINGUISH.
THAT IS A SUMMARY.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SPEAK TO THE AMENDMENT
BEFORE WE MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> THANK YOU.
THE POLICY RATIONALE OF THIS
REGULATORY FRAMEWORK IS TO
ESTABLISH THE PREDICTABLE
MINIMUM WAGE THAT IS A LIVING
WAGE FOR THE DRIVERS.
IF THIS PASSES, THAT IS WHAT WE
ARE, IN FACT, DOING.
WITH THE ASSOCIATED COST
FACTORS THAT WE JUST APPROVED
BY AMENDMENT, BASICALLY, WE ARE
TALKING ABOUT IF THERE ARE
THREE TRIPS THAT ARE 20 MINUTES
LONG AND FIVE MILES EACH IN ONE
HOUR, THAT EQUALS ABOUT $32.50
FOR 20 MINUTE TIPS.
THE REASON FOR DOING THIS IS SO
THAT WORKERS DON'T HAVE TO RELY
ON TIPS FOR THE LIONS SHARE OF
THEIR PAYMENT FROM WORKING FOR
THESE APP-BASED COMPANIES.
SO, THAT'S WHAT WE ARE TRYING
TO DO HERE AND REQUIRING THAT
THE TIP AMOUNT BE SHOWN UP
FRONT DOES CREATE THE
POSSIBILITY -- AND WHAT WE'VE
HEARD FROM SOME STAKEHOLDERS --
THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THERE WILL
BE CHERRY PICKING AMONG DRIVERS
THAT WILL ONLY BE PICKING THE
TRIPS THAT ARE HIGHLY TIPPED.
THIS THEN DOES CREATE A
CUSTOMER AND CONSUMER PROTECTION
ISSUE BECAUSE THAT MEANS IT
WILL BE DISPROPORTIONATELY
IMPACTFUL ON LOW INCOME PEOPLE
WHO CAN'T AFFORD HIGH TIPS OR
OFTEN THE SAME FOLKS WHO ORDER
LOW PRICED THINGS FOR DELIVERY,
LIKE THE FAST FOOD, FOR EXAMPLE
OR WHATEVER.
I DO THINK WE HAVE TO TAKE
SERIOUSLY THE FACT THAT THIS
COULD NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE
CONSUMERS, THE CUSTOMERS USING
THESE APPLICATIONS.
AT ANY RATE, ASIDE FROM THAT,
THE WAY THAT TIPS ARE SOLICITED
AND COLLECTED VARIES WIDELY
ACROSS THE PLATFORMS AND BY
DIFFERENT MODELS.
FOR EXAMPLE, MANY OF THESE
APPLICATIONS DO NOT ASK --
PEOPLE MAY BE ASSIGNED A TIP
AFTER THE DELIVERY SHIPPED.
MANY COMPANIES, THAT IS THE
CASE AND WITH THIS VARIATION
AND THE DIFFICULTY, PERHAPS, OF
ENFORCING THAT KIND OF
VARIATION, I JUST BELIEVE THAT,
YOU KNOW, THE REQUIREMENT FOR
TIP DISCLOSURE PRIOR TO
ACCEPTING AN OFFER IS
REDUNDANT.
FOR EXAMPLE, DASHER'S WILL
ALWAYS DO THE FULL CUSTOMER TIP
AS A SEPARATE LINE ITEM AFTER
EVERY DELIVERY IN ACCORDANCE
WIH THE TRANSPARENCY IN THE
PROPOSAL.
THIS AMENDMENT IS OFFERED FOR
THE BENEFIT OF THE CUSTOMERS
WHO COULD BE LEFT WAITING A
LONG TIME FOR PEOPLE TO ACCEPT
THEIR DELIVERY BECAUSE THERE IS
NO TIP OR THE ITEM IS SO LOW
PRICE AT THE TIP ENDS UP BEING
VERY SMALL.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON.
LOOKING FOR CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS, FIRST.
WE WILL DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO
TO GET THE MOTION IN FRONT OF
US AND THEN WE WILL HEAR WHAT
THE POSITIONS ARE IF THEY WANT
TO SHARE THEM.
ANY CLARIFYING QUESTIONS?
I DON'T SEE EVERYBODY HERE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, I
THINK?
>> THANK YOU FOR THE HELP.
>> I WILL START USING MY
VIRTUAL HAND.
THANK YOU.
A QUESTION FOR CENTRAL STAFF.
I'M CONFUSED BY THE LANE WE ARE
TRYING TO OCCUPY HERE.
THIS IS REALLY A PIECE OF
LEGISLATION BROADLY INTENDED TO
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL
CLARIFICATION REGULATION FOR
WORKERS THAT ARE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS.
SHOULD THE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR NOT BE ABLE TO
CHOOSE THE WORK THEY ARE DOING?
ISN'T THAT THE GOAL FOR THEM TO
SET THEIR OWN RATES, ESPECIALLY
AS AMENDMENT NUMBER THREE SAYS,
WE DON'T GUARANTEE ACCESS FOR
MINIMUM WAGE FOR THE SUBSET OF
WORKERS.
IF THE GOAL IS FOR WORKERS TO
MAKE AN INFORMED CHOICE ABOUT
WHICHEVER JOB THEY CHOOSE AS AN
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR, DOES
THIS GET INTO A MURKY AREA OF
DEFINING WAGES AND TIPS FOR THE
WORKERS?
>> IT'S A POLICY DECISION
RATHER THAN A DETERMINATION ON
WHETHER IT WOULD MAKE A WORKER
-- PROVIDING TIP INFORMATION,
WHETHER IT WOULD MAKE A COMMENT
ON WORKER STATUS.
INHERENTLY, TIPS ARE
DISCRETIONARY BY THE CUSTOMER
AND EVEN IF INDICATED IN THE
BEGINNING OF AN OFFER, IT
DOESN'T NECESSARILY MEAN THE
CUSTOMER WOULD END UP PAYING
THAT AND THAT IS ONE WAY TO
LOOK AT IT.
SO, I THINK THAT THERE IS AN
ARGUMENT THAT IF A CUSTOMER HAS
INDICATED A TIP, THAT THE
WORKER SHOULD KNOW THAT
INFORMATION.
AS AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR,
THEY CAN CHOOSE OR NOT CHOOSE
THE WORK THEY WOULD LIKE TO
ACCEPT AND THAT RIGHT IS
MEMORIALIZED IN THE FLEXIBILITY
SECTION.
ON THE OTHER HAND, IF THIS
AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS, IT
WOULD BE DISCRETIONARY AND
WOULDN'T PREVENT THE COMPANIES
FROM PROVIDING THAT INFORMATION
AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE THEM TO
DO SO.
ONE COULD SAY THAT TIPS AREN'T
CERTAIN AND COMPANIES SHOULDN'T
BE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE THAT
INFORMATION, IF THERE IS
UNCERTAINTY ABOUT IT AND
COMPANIES MIGHT DECIDE NOT TO
PROVIDE THAT INFORMATION IN
ORDER TO PROMOTE MORE EQUAL
ACCESS AMONG CUSTOMERS.
I THINK IT COULD GO EITHER WAY
BUT CERTAINLY, UNDERSTANDING
YOUR CONCERN ABOUT WORKERS NOT
HAVING THE FULL AMOUNT OF
INFORMATION THAT IS AVAILABLE
TO COMPANIES WHEN MAKING THAT
DECISION.
>> THANK YOU FOR THAT.
ANY FURTHER CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS BEFORE WE GET THE
AMENDMENT BEFORE US? ALEX, A
QUESTION?
>> A CLARIFYING COMMENT ABOUT
THE BASE LEGISLATION AND WHAT
IT ALLOWS AND REQUIRES.
TIP POLICIES NEED TO BE
DISCLOSED TO THE WORKERS UP
FRONT AND COMPANIES CAN ALLOW
FOR TIPS TO BE REMOVED.
CUSTOMERS CAN REMOVE TIPS AND
THAT HAS BEEN AN ISSUE.
WE'VE SEEN IT FLAGGED AND
CURRENTLY THE BASE LEGISLATION
ALLOWS THAT TO OCCUR WITH TIPS
TO BE REMOVED AFTER AN ORDER IS
COMPLETED, EVEN IF THEY WERE
GIVEN UP FRONT ON THE ORDER.
IT NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED WITHIN
THE POLICY THAT THE COMPANY
GIVES ITS WORKERS.
>> VERY HELPFUL INFORMATION.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AS A FOLLOW-UP, THAT'S THE
BASE LEGISLATION AND THANK YOU
FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
CENTRAL STAFF, CAN YOU REMIND
ME WHAT NEW YORK DID REGARDING
THIS CONCEPT?
>> MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT NEW
YORK'S EQUIVALENT OF THE OFFICE
OF LABOR STANDARDS IS CURRENTLY
CRAFTING THEY ARE MINIMUM
PAYMENT POLICY RIGHT NOW.
WE DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS.
CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG ON THAT
. BUT, I DON'T BELIEVE THEY'VE
BEEN GIVEN THE AUTHORITY TO
DEVELOP THE MINIMUM PAYMENT
POLICY BUT THEY ARE IN THE
PROCESS OF DEVELOPING THAT
POLICY.
>> I DO BELIEVE THAT I HEARD
THERE WERE SOME ELEMENTS OF
THAT POLICY THAT WENT INTO
PLACE ABOUT A MONTH AGO OR A
FEW WEEKS AGO.
I'M NOT SURE OF THE STATUS OF
THE TIP DISCLOSURE. WE CAN
CERTAINLY LOOK AT THAT.
I'M NOT AWARE OF THAT AS ONE OF
THE PIECES THAT WENT INTO
EFFECT ALREADY.
>> YOU ARE LOOKING INTO THAT
AND THAT IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
A RULE RELATED TO THE
REQUIREMENT TO DISCLOSE EQUAL
PAY OF FRONT -- IT HAS RECENTLY
PASSED IN NEW YORK CITY.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, DO YOU
HAVE A CLARIFYING QUESTION?
>> I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO
DEBATING THE AMENDMENT UNTIL WE
GET IT IN FRONT OF US.
>> I WILL GET IT IN FRONT OF US
AND THEN MAKE A POINT.
>> WOULD YOU LIKE TO MAKE A
MOTION?
>> I MOVE THIS AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU.
A SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> THIS IS WHAT I WAS TRYING TO
FIND WHEN I WAS TALKING BEFORE.
ACCORDING TO ONE OF THE
PRESENTATIONS THAT WAS
PRESENTED -- THE FIRST ONE
SINCE I'VE BEEN IN OFFICE ON
FEBRUARY 8th 2022, THE CENTRAL
STEP PRESENTATIONS HAS, ON PAGE
FOUR, THE POLICY GOAL OF
ESTABLISHING A MINIMUM PAYMENT
TO PROVIDE OR ENSURE PAYMENT OF
MINIMUM WAGE PLUS EXPENSES WITH
THE PERMANENT AND PER MILE
FLOOR FOR THE ENGAGED TIME TO
PERFORM EACH OFFER.
I WILL SAY AGAIN THAT THAT IS
WHAT WE ARE DOING.
SO, I BELIEVE THIS DOES NOT
CONFLICT WITH THE OVERALL
RATIONALE OF THIS LEGISLATION
BEFORE US.
>> THIS AREA OF THE POLICY, I
THINK, FITS MORE INTO THE
FLEXIBILITY OBJECTIVES OF THE
POLICY, TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
APP-BASED WORKER HAS THE
INFORMATION NECESSARY TO CHOOSE
WHETHER OR NOT TO TAKE A GIG.
THEY CAN'T DO THAT WITHOUT
HAVING FULL INFORMATION ABOUT
THE REMUNERATION FOR THE GIG.
I WANT TO FLAGGED THAT.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS AND I
RECEIVED IN THE EMAIL FROM A
DOORDASH WORKER BEFORE THIS
AMENDMENT WAS DEVELOPED, AND
THE DOORDASH WORKER DIDN'T KNOW
A LOT.
IT HAS NOT EVOLVED WITH THE
WORK IN WASHINGTON CAMPAIGN
WITH A DOORDASH WORKER
ORGANICALLY CONTACTING US.
HE SAID THE PROBLEM AS A
DOORDASH WORKER -- AND I HOPE
YOUR LEGISLATION DEALS WITH
THAT -- THIS CONSTITUENT WROTE
AND WAS REALLY CONCERNED THAT
DOORDASH WOULD CONTINUE TO HIDE
TIPS, NOTING THAT THERE IS AN
INCENTIVE THAT DOORDASH
RECEIVES THE SAME AMOUNT
REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT
THERE IS NO TIP OR A VERY LARGE
ONE.
THERE IS CONCERN THAT WITHOUT
THE INFORMATION, WORKERS ARE
FORCED TO ACCEPT AND GAMBLE
WHETHER OR NOT THEY WILL PAY A
FAIR WAGE.
SO, MORE GENERALLY SPEAKING,
THERE ARE INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTORS.
A PART OF THE WORK IS BEING
ABLE TO KNOW UP FRONT BEFORE
ACCEPTING A JOB, WHAT THE
VARIABLES ARE.
IT'S THAT TRANSPARENCY THAT
ALLOWS WORKERS TO HAVE THE
FLEXIBILITY ASSOCIATED WITH
THIS TYPE OF WORK.
FOR THAT REASON, I APPRECIATE IT
BEING BROUGHT FORWARD BUT I
WILL NOT BE SUPPORTING THIS
AMENDMENT.
>> I TOTALLY SEE THE POINT OF
THE PERSON WHO EMAILED YOU IN
THE CURRENT SITUATIONS WITHOUT
KNOWING WHAT THE WAGE WILL BE.
THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.
THIS LEGISLATION, IT DOES
PROVIDE CERTAINTY THAT THE
DRIVER WILL EARN A LIVING WAGE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> FIRST, LET ME HIGHLIGHT THE
AREA OF COMMON GROUND.
ONE IS THAT I THINK WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE THAT ALL WAGES THAT
ARE PAID ACTUALLY COMPENSATE
WORKERS TO HAVE A TRUE MINIMUM
WAGE AND WORK TOWARD AN ACTUAL
LIVING WAGE.
I REALLY APPLAUD LINE OF OUR
RESTAURATEURS AND LOCAL
BREWERIES, LIKE MOLLY MOON'S
ICE CREAM AND PLUMP BISTRO AND
OPTIMISM CAFC THAT BUILD IN A
HIGHER WAGE SO WORKERS ARE NOT
RELIANT ON TIPS TO KNOW WHETHER
THEY CAN PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE
OR PAY THEIR RENT.
HAVING SEPARATE CONVERSATIONS
ABOUT A TRUE WAGE IS EXCITING
OF THERE IS INTEREST AMONG
COUNCILMEMBERS.
SPECIFIC TO THIS LEGISLATION IN
FRONT OF US, IF THERE IS GOING
TO BE THE ABILITY TO ADD TIPS, I
WANT WORKERS TO KNOW WHAT THOSE
TIP AMOUNTS ARE.
THE AMENDMENT REMOVES THE TIP
AMOUNT FROM THE UP FRONT
DISCLOSURE FOR EACH OFFER.
DOING A QUICK ANALYSIS, I
CONFIRMED WITH COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD AND OUR CHAIR, THAT NEW
YORK NOW REQUIRES TIPS TO BE
DISCLOSED IN FULL TO THE
WORKERS.
COMPANIES WILL ALREADY BE
REQUIRED TO DO THIS IN OTHER
JURISDICTIONS AND MANY OF THE
CONCERNS THAT WE'VE HEARD FROM
WITH THESE COMPANIES, HOW DO WE
APPLY THE POLICIES ACROSS THE
COUNTRY, THEY WILL BE DOING IT
IN NEW YORK, NOW.
KEEPING THE LANGUAGE AS
ORIGINALLY ENVISIONED IS REALLY
IMPORTANT, TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
HAVE FULL TRANSPARENCY FOR THE
WORKERS DOING THIS WORK.
TIP STEALING IS STILL A VERY
COMMON PRACTICE.
NOT JUST IN THIS INDUSTRY, BUT
ACROSS THE BOARD AND THE WANT
TO MAKE SURE THAT TIPS ARE
TRULY BEING DISPLAYED FOR THE
WORKERS SO THEY KNOW WHAT IS
OWED TO THEM.
THERE IS EXAMPLES RECENTLY, IN
2019, OF INSTACART PAYING BACK
WORKERS AFTER TIPS WERE
DISCLOSED.
DOORDASH SETTLED WITH THE
ATTORNEY IN D.C. AND AMAZON FLEX
SETTLED WITH THE FTC OVER A TIP
STEALING PRACTICE.
GIVEN THAT THESE PRACTICES ARE
PREVALENT AND SPECIFIC TO THIS
INDUSTRY, THROUGH THESE
EXAMPLES, THERE IS GOOD REASON
TO HAVE HEALTHY SKEPTICISM
ABOUT THE HANDLING OF TIPS IF
THEY ARE NOT TRULY DISCLOSED IN
ADVANCE, SO THAT WORKERS KNOW
EXACTLY WHAT THEY SHOULD BE
RECEIVING. I
BELIEVE THIS IS AN IMPORTANT
COMPONENT OF THE FLEXIBILITY
NOTED BY COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD
AND FOR THE FULL TRANSPARENCY
WE ARE SHOOTING FOR.
I WILL BE VOTING NO ON THIS.
IF THERE IS INTEREST IN A ONE
TRUE WAGE CONVERSATION IN THE
FUTURE, I WILL BE VERY EXCITED
ABOUT THAT DISCUSSION.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
AMY, COMMENTS ON THAT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA
MENTIONED THAT IN APRIL, IN NEW
YORK CITY, IT DID GO INTO
EFFECT THAT IF KNOWN, THE TIP
NEEDS TO BE DISCLOSED TO THE
WORKER AND IN ADDITION, THE
REQUIREMENTS ARE THAT PRIOR TO
SOLICITING A GRATUITY COME FROM
A CONSUMER, THE COMPANY HAS TO
DISCLOSE TO THE CONSUMER, THE
PROPORTION OR FIXED AMOUNT OF
EACH GRATUITY DISTRIBUTED TO
THE DELIVERY WORKER AND IT
REQUIRES THAT THE COMPANIES
DISCLOSED TO DELIVERY WORKERS
HOW MUCH EACH CONSUMER MADE, AS
A GRATUITY.
IT DEFINITELY DOES ADDRESS SOME
OF THE QUESTIONS THAT YOU GUYS
ARE DISCUSSING.
>> THANK YOU, AMY.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS?
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> TO ASK CENTRAL STAFF TO
CIRCULATE THE NEW YORK PROGRAM,
SO THAT WE CAN SEE.
THEY ARE DOING OTHER THINGS WE
MIGHT BE INTERESTED IN OR NOT
DOING THINGS -- IT'S HELPFUL TO
HAVE THAT COMPARISON WITH NEW
YORK. JUST TO CLARIFY ON THIS
ISSUE OF THE TIPS, IF THE
CUSTOMER TIPS THE WORKER AFTER
THE SERVICES PROVIDED, THAT HAS
TO BE DISCLOSED TO THE WORKER,
RIGHT?
>> YES.
>> CORRECT, COUNCILMEMBER
PEDERSEN.
THAT'S PART OF THE WORKER
ELECTRONIC RECEIPT AND THE
WEEKLY EARNINGS STATEMENT, AS
WELL.
>> OKAY.
THANK YOU.
>> THERE ARE NO FURTHER
QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ABOUT THE
AMENDMENT.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL?
>> I WENT TO RESPOND TO
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA'S POINT.
THIS DOES NOT FACILITATE, I
BELIEVE, THE TIP STEALING.
THEY WILL KNOW WHAT THEY
RECEIVED BY TIPS, JUST NOT
PROVIDED UP FRONT FRONT.
YOU KNOW, FOR THE SINGLE MOM
WHO HAS A COUPLE KIDS AND NEEDS
A BOX OF WIPES RIGHT NOW.
THAT'S THE ESSENCE OF WHAT I'M
SAYING.
I'M NOT PUTTING THIS FORWARD TO
CREATE THE CONDITIONS SO THAT
THE WORKER DOES NOT KNOW.
THEREFORE, CANNOT TRACK THEIR
TIPS.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON, FOR THAT CLARIFICATION.
ANY OTHER POINTS OF DEBATE?
>> I WILL TAKE YOU UP ON THAT.
IT'S NOTHING TO CLARIFY BUT I
WAS STATING FACTS FOR THE
INDUSTRY, IN TERMS OF THE
EXPERIENCE THAT WORKERS HAVE
HAD WITH TIP STEALING.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT THIS
AMENDMENT IS IN ANY WAY TRYING
TO PROMOTE TIP STEALING.
I'M SAYING IT'S IMPORTANT THAT
WE KEEP THE UNDERLYING LANGUAGE
SO THAT WORKERS KNOW EXACTLY
WHAT THE TIPS ARE AND THEY KNOW
HOW MUCH TO RECEIVE AND THEY
CAN MEASURE THEIR FINAL
PAYCHECK WITH WHAT THEY BELIEVE
THEIR TIPS SHOULD BE AND WHAT
THEY RECEIVED.
THAT IS THE FACT AND THIS IS
ALREADY OCCURRING IN THE
INDUSTRY AND IN OTHER
INDUSTRIES AND WE NEED TO MOVE
COLLECTIVELY FOR GREATER
TRANSPARENCY FOR WORKERS IF
TIPS ARE PART OF THE KNOWN
PRACTICE, ESPECIALLY IN
UNDERPAID INDUSTRIES.
WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE
CONVERSATION ABOUT ONE TRUE
WAGE AND FOR FOLKS NOT FAMILIAR
WITH THAT CAMPAIGN, WE LOOK
FORWARD TO TALKING ABOUT THAT
AND THIS IS REALLY ABOUT THE
TRANSPARENCY SO THAT WORKERS
GET THE TIPS THAT HAVE BEEN
COMMITTED.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
NOT SEEING ANY OTHER COMMENTS
OR FURTHER DEBATE, CLERK,
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE
AMENDMENT, PLEASE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> KNOW.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCIL OR VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> NO.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> NO.
>> TWO IN FAVOR AND THREE
OPPOSE.
>> AMENDMENT 14 DOES NOT PASS.
WE'VE GOT A COUPLE OF MORE HERE
TO GO.
THANKS FOR STICKING WITH US.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT NUMBER 10?
>> YES.
AMENDMENT 10 WOULD ADD A
DEFINITION FOR CANCELLATION
WITHOUT CAUSE AND CLARIFY THAT
A RECEIPT IS DUE FOR AN APP-
BASED WORKER WITHIN 72 HOURS OF
CANCELLATION, WITH OR WITHOUT
CAUSE.
THE ORDINANCE CURRENTLY REQUIRES
A RECEIPT TO THE APP-BASED
WORKER WITHIN 24 HOURS OF THE
PERFORMANCE OR CANCELLATION
WITH CAUSE DOES NOT SPECIFY A
RECEIPT REQUIREMENT FOR
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE.
RIGHT NOW, IT IS NOT CONSISTENT
WITH CHAPTER 837080 D THAT
ALLOWS OR REQUIRES COMPANIES TO
HAVE 72 HOURS FOR A COMPANY TO
REVIEW A CANCELLATION.
THIS MAKES THE TIMING
CONSISTENT WITH THE RECEIPT DO
FOR ANY TYPE OF CANCELLATION.
>> THIS AMENDMENT IS DESIGNED
TO CONFIRM FOR POTENTIAL FRAUD
AND ADDING A DEFINITION OF
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE AND
CLARIFYING THE RECEIPT IS DUE TO
THE APP-BASED WORKER WITHIN 72
HOURS OF CANCELLATION, WHETHER
OR NOT WITH OR WITHOUT CAUSE.
ANY QUESTIONS OR CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS? IF THERE ARE NOT, I
WOULD LIKE TO MOVE AMENDMENT 10
, AS DESCRIBED.
>> SECOND?
>> SECOND.
>> QUESTIONS ABOUT AMENDMENT
10?
>> NOT SEEING ANY AND SCROLLING
THROUGH, NO COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE READ THE
ROLL CALL AND VOTING ON THE
AMENDMENT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> 'S.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR AND UNOPPOSED.
>> THE AMENDMENT PASSES.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF PLEASE
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT 11, VERSION
2?
>> YES.
THE VERSION 2 OF THIS AMENDMENT
WAS CIRCULATED TO COMMUNITY
MEMBERS THIS MORNING.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD CHANGE THE
DEFINITION OF ENGAGED TIME, TO
CLARIFY THE OFFERS ENDING IN A
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE BY
THE APP-BASED WORKER TO NOT
INCUR ANY ENGAGED TIME.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS INTENDED TO
ADDRESS THE CONCERN BROUGHT
FORWARD WHERE INDIVIDUALS COULD
ACCEPT OFFERS, CANCEL OFFERS
WITHOUT CAUSE AND STILL RECEIVE
MINIMUM PAYMENT.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD ADDRESS
THAT SCENARIO.
IF AN OFFER WAS CANCELED
WITHOUT CAUSE, THEY WOULD NOT
RECEIVE MINIMUM PAYMENT.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD CLARIFY
THAT A NETWORK COMPANY CAN TAKE
ACTIONS NOT PROHIBITED BY THIS
CHAPTER OR OTHER APPLICABLE LAW
TO REMEDY OR PREVENT FRAUDULENT
USE OF THE PLATFORM.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS WOULD
NOT GRANT ADDITIONAL
SUBSTANTIVE POWER TO THE
COMPANIES.
IT IS ESSENTIALLY A CLARIFYING
QUESTION AND THEY CAN TAKE
THOSE ACTIONS IF DEEMED
NECESSARY, AS LONG IS NOT
PROHIBITED BY LAW.
THIS AMENDMENT, VERSION TWO
WOULD REQUIRE NETWORK COMPANIES
TO THEN CREATE AND SHARE A
POLICY WITH APP-BASED WORKERS
REGARDING FRAUDULENT USED TO BE
IDENTIFIED AND WHAT ACTIONS MAY
BE TAKEN TO REMEDY OR PREVENT
FRAUDULENT USE AND HOW WORKERS
WOULD BE NOTIFIED ABOUT
FRAUDULENT USE OR FLAGGED.
AND THEN THE PROCESS FOR
APPEAL.
THIS AMENDMENT WOULD REQUIRE
THAT THE NOTICE OF RIGHTS
PROVIDE THE WORKER WITH THE
LOCATION OF THE FRAUDULENT USE
POLICY, PAYING ATTENTION TO IT.
>> THANK YOU, JASMINE.
AMENDMENT 11 IS IDENTIFIED AS
COSPONSORED BY MYSELF AND
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS.
I ALSO WANT TO THANK THE WORK
THAT COUNCILMEMBER NELSON AND
HER STAFFER, KAY NOLAN, WORKING
TO FIND THE COMPROMISE
REFLECTED IN VERSION 2 OF THIS
PROPOSAL.
I WANT TO FLAGGED THE FACT THAT
THE NEED FOR THIS AMENDMENT WAS
RAISED BY AN APP-BASED FORUM
SPEAKING TO THE ISSUE OF FRAUD
AND THE PROPOSALS WERE BROAD AND
WOULD HAVE ALLOWED COMPANIES
NOT ONLY TO REMOVE A WORKER FOR
SUSPECTED FRAUD, BUT PREVENT
THEM FROM ACCESSING THE APPS
AND EVEN FROM A COMPLETED FRAUD
OR SUSPECTED FRAUD.
THIS IS A BROADER APPROACH.
I APPRECIATE THE DESIRE TO
ADDRESS THE ISSUE AND I WANT TO
NOTE, OF COURSE, THAT FRAUD IS
A CRIME REGARDLESS OF WHETHER
BEING COMMITTED BY A WORKER OR
SOMEBODY WHO IS DEFINED AS A W-
2 EMPLOYEE.
IF YOU ARE A W-2 EMPLOYEE,
WORKERS CAN'T BE ATTACHED FOR
WAGES. A
CRIME ISSUE, IT'S PRESSED IN
OUR COURT SYSTEM.
WE WANT TO BE REALLY CAREFUL ON
HOW WE WORK TO ADDRESS THIEVING
CONCERNS WITH FRAUD AND THAT
WE'VE LANDED ON THE LANGUAGE
BEFORE US.
BEFORE I MOVE THE AMENDMENT, I
NEED TO SEE -- COUNCILMEMBER
MUSK EIGHT?
>> A CLARIFYING QUESTION.
WHO DETERMINES WHETHER A
CANCELLATION IS WITHOUT CAUSE?
UNDER THIS SCENARIO?
>> I THINK THE IDEA IS THAT THE
COMPANIES WOULD DEVELOP A
FRAUDULENT USE POLICY. IT WOULD
CLARIFY THE DEFINITION OF
ENGAGED TIME.
IF THEY ARE MOVING WITH THE
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE BY
THE APP-BASED WORKER, THEY
WOULD NOT INCUR ENGAGED TIME
AND THEREFORE, NO PAY.
THIS IS INTENDED FOR WORKERS TO
COMPLETE THAT.
NOT SURE IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR
QUESTION.
IF NOT, COUNCILMEMBER ALEX, DO
YOU WANT TO RAISE YOUR HAND?
>> YES.
ESSENTIALLY, THE COMPANIES
WOULD DETERMINE WHETHER A
CANCELLATION WAS WITH OR WITHOUT
CAUSE.
THEY HAVE AT LEAST 72 HOURS TO
DO SO.
THE FRAUD POLICY REQUIREMENT, I
BELIEVE, DOES REQUIRE THAT THEY
HAVE A PROCESS FOR APPEAL, IF
THE FRAUDULENT USE WAS
DETERMINED.
>> THANK YOU, JASMINE.
>> TO ADD TO THAT, THERE IS AN
EXHAUSTIVE LIST OF CANCELLATION
WITH CAUSE IN THE LEGISLATION,
ITSELF.
WORKERS CAN SUBMIT IT WITH THE
CANCELLATION.
THERE ARE THOSE WITHOUT CAUSE.
THE CANCELLATION WITH CAUSE IS
AN EXHAUSTIVE LIST.
IT'S A LITTLE BIT BROAD IN THE
WORDING AND AS OUTLINED IN THE
LEGISLATION.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MUSK ATER?
>> MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU.
THIS GOES BACK TO A COMMENT
THAT CENTRAL STAFF MADE.
IF THEY HAVE THE ABILITY TO
MAKE POLICY ON THIS, HOW DOES
THIS FRAUD POLICY CHANGE BUT
COMPANIES CAN ALREADY DO?
>> IT DOESN'T CHANGE WHAT THEY
CAN DO, BUT IT REQUIRES THAT
COMPANIES PROVIDE NOTICE OF
THEIR POLICY TO WORKERS.
IT DOES CHANGE THE IMPACT OF
THE CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE
BY ALLOWING FOR ENGAGED TIME
NOT TO BE HEARD.
>> IT'S ABOUT TRANSPARENCY OF
POLICIES, RATHER THAN POLICIES
EXISTING WITH ABOUT ANYBODY
KNOWING WHAT THEY ARE.
THAT IS THE INTENT HERE.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS?
.
>> I WILL MOVE AMENDMENT 11,
VERSION 2 FOR A SECOND.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT
11, VERSION 2? COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA?
>> MADAM CHAIR, AS WE LEARN
ABOUT THE AMENDMENT, I'M GOING
TO LET YOU KNOW I'M NOT STAYING
ON THIS AMENDMENT FOR THE
SPONSORS OR CENTRAL STAFF.
I'M A LITTLE CONCERNED ABOUT
THE CONSEQUENCE OF HAVING A
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE
BEING DETERMINED AS FRAUD
BECAUSE I WONDER WHETHER OR NOT
BUSINESSES COULD START ENGAGING
IN MORE PENALIZING STRATEGIES
OR INCENTIVIZING OR CODIFYING
THE WHOLE DETERMINATION OF
CANCELLATION WITHOUT CAUSE.
IT SEEMS TO BE EXCLUSIVELY
WITHIN THE HANDS OF THE
COMPANY.
THEY ALREADY HAVE THIS POLICY
AND I'M WORRIED ABOUT WHETHER
OR NOT THIS IS FACILITATING A
NEW BASE OR FLOOR, MADAM CHAIR.
I WILL ABSTAIN AND I'M HAPPY TO
BRING THE QUESTIONS TO YOU OR
THE TEAM AT ANOTHER POINT.
BUT, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT THE
UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES HERE.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER.
ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS?
SEEING NONE, WILL THE CLERK
PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON THE
AMENDMENT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> ABSTAIN.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBAL?
>> YES.
>> FOUR IN FAVOR AND ONE
ABSTENTION.
>> THANK YOU.
THE AMENDMENT PASSES. MOVING ON
TO AMENDMENT 12 A. STAFF, WE
DESCRIBE AMENDMENT 12 A?
>> YES.
AMENDMENT 12 A VERSION 1 IS
SPONSORED BY COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD AND COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA AND IT WOULD CHANGE
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
MINIMUM PAYMENT REQUIREMENTS,
CHAPTER 8.37 FROM 12 MONTHS TO
18 MONTHS AFTER CONSTABLE
120294 WOULD TAKE EFFECT.
ASSUMING THAT THE BILL IS
PASSED BY FULL COUNCIL IN JUNE,
THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY A
JANUARY 2024 EFFECTIVE DATE
WITH THE MINIMUM PAY
REQUIREMENTS.
EXTENDING THE EFFECTIVE DATE OF
THIS CHAPTER BY SIX MONTHS WOULD
ALLOW THE CITY TO CONSIDER THE
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDING FUNDING
NEEDS OVER TWO BUDGET CYCLES.
THE BUDGET DELIBERATION
PURSUANT TO THE FUNDING
REQUIREMENTS FOR ENABLING THE
CODE FOR PROVISIONS.
THAT IS THE PROVISION.
IT REQUIRES THAT THE OLS
MINIMUM ANNUAL CONTRIBUTION IS
FUNDED BY THE BUSINESS AND
OCCUPATION TAX AND ANY OTHER
FUNDS IN THE GENERAL FUND TO
MAKE UP THE BALANCE.
ANOTHER IMPACT OF EXTENDING THE
EFFECTIVE DATE IS IT WOULD
PROVIDE THE OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS AND NETWORK COMPANIES
WITH MORE TIME TO PREPARE FOR
IMPLEMENTATION.
>> THANK YOU, KARINA.
WILL THE SPONSOR OF THE
AMENDMENT, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA, WOULD YOU SPEAK TO
THE AMENDMENT.
>> THANKS, COUNCILMEMBER
HERBOLD AND MADAM CHAIR.
I'M HAPPY TO DISCUSS THIS WITH
YOU.
WE'VE HEARD FOR THE SUMMARY OF
THE AMENDMENT THAT GIVES ENOUGH
TIME TO WORK WITH THE
DEPATMENT TO CONSIDER THE
ROLES AND FOR THE LEGISLATION
TO CONTINUE TO COMPLEMENT THIS
STRATEGY. I
KNOW THERE IS A LOT OF OTHER
STRATEGIES THAT NEED TO GO INTO
EFFECT TO MAKE SURE OLS HAS
SUFFICIENT RULEMAKING AND
ABILITY TO ENGAGE WITH THOSE
THAT WILL BE APPLYING THESE NEW
RULES AND WE WILL ERR ON THE
SIDE OF MAKING SURE IT CAN BE
IMPLEMENTED.
THANKS TO MADAM CHAIR FOR YOUR
INTEREST AND I'M HAPPY TO
COSPONSOR THIS WITH YOU.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
LOOKING FOR CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS ABOUT THE AMENDMENT
BEFORE I ASKED FOR A MOTION.
AND NOT SEEING ANY RAISED
HANDS.
ALEX WILL CORRECT ME IF I'M
WRONG, I TRUST.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, WOULD
YOU MOVE THE AMENDMENT?
>> MADAM CHAIR, I MOVE
AMENDMENT 12 A.
>> THANK YOU.
I SECOND AMENDMENT 12 A. ANY
FURTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS?
FROM THE COUNCILMEMBERS?
>> I THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA, FOR WORKING ON THIS
AMENDMENT AND I REALLY
APPRECIATE WORKING TOGETHER TO
ALLOW THE ADDITIONAL TIME TO
ADDRESS THE TIME NECESSARY TO
IMPLEMENT LEGISLATION.
ALSO, OF THE COST ASSOCIATED
WITH THIS. THANK YOU.
NOT SEEING ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
WILL THE CLERK PLEASE CALL THE
ROLL ON THE AMENDMENT?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FIVE IN FAVOR.
>> THANK YOU.
THE AMENDMENT PASSES AND NOW,
WE HAVE AMENDMENT 12 B. WILL
CENTRAL STAFF JUST BY AMENDMENT
12 B?
>> YES.
AMENDMENT 12 B WOULD CHANGE THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF CHAPTER 837
TO SIX MONTHS AFTER THE
DIRECTOR RULES ARE FILED WITH
THE CITY CLERK AND NO EARLIER
THAN 18 MONTHS AFTER THE
EFFECTIVE DATE OF THE
ORDINANCE.
IT ENSURES EFFECTIVE DATE OF
CHAPTER 837 IS SIX MONTHS AFTER
RULES ARE FILED WITH THE CITY
CLERK TO PROVIDE TIME TO PREPARE
FOR IMPLEMENTATION.
THIS AMENDMENT, IF PASSED,
WOULD SUPERSEDE THE PREVIOUS
AMENDMENT AS AN ADDITIONAL
REQUIREMENT.
BOTH AMENDMENTS DO CONTAIN THE
18 MONTHS EFFECTIVE DATE.
>> THE AMENDMENTS CAN'T PASS
TOGETHER.
IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING?
>> I THINK YOU COULD,
CONCEPTUALLY CONSIDER THIS
AMENDMENT AS AN AND ON TO 12 A
BUT THEY ARE TECHNICALLY WRITTEN
IN DIFFERENT WAYS AND ARE
MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE.
IF THE AMENDMENT WERE TO PASS,
IT WOULD POTENTIALLY OVERRIDE
THE BLACK AT 18 MONTHS
EFFECTIVE DATE AND WOULD
INSTEAD BE LATER, WHATEVER
COMES LATER, 18 MONTHS AFTER
THE BILL ASSIGNED BY THE MAYOR
OR SIX MONTHS AFTER RULES ARE
DEVELOPED AND FILED WITH THE
CITY CLERK BY OLS.
>> THE AMENDMENT WE JUST VOTED
ON ON -- IT CHANGES THE
EFFECTIVE DATE TO 12 MONTHS
AFTER THE PASSAGE.
I'M SORRY, 18 MONTHS.
IT CHANGES FROM 12 TO 18 MONTHS
AFTER THE BILL PASSES.
>> IT WOULD BE 18 MONTHS AFTER
THE EFFECTIVE DATE OR IF IT'S
LATER, SIX MONTHS AFTER OLS
FINDS RULES WITH THE CITY
CLERK.
>> THANK YOU.
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS.
IT'S ALL GOOD.
ANY ADDITIONAL CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS BEFORE I ASKED FOR A
MOTION ON THE AMENDMENT?
NOT SEEING ANY CLARIFYING
QUESTIONS.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, WOULD YOU
LIKE TO MOVE YOUR AMENDMENT?
>> I MOVE AMENDMENT 12 B.
>> SECOND.
>> THANK YOU.
SO -- ARE THERE ADDITIONAL
THOUGHTS OR COMMENTS ABOUT
AMENDMENT 12 B? I HAVE A FEW
AND I WILL HOLD THEM.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> YOU SHOULD PROBABLY EXPLAIN
THE REASONING FOR DOING THIS.
I'M TRYING TO CREATE A BUFFER
BETWEEN WHEN THE RULES ARE
AVAILABLE FOR NETWORK COMPANIES
. IT WILL HAPPEN WHEN THEY ARE
FILED BY THE CLERK.
AND, WHEN THE LEGISLATION WILL
GO INTO EFFECT AND POSSIBLE
VIOLATIONS COULD BE INCURRED.
IT WILL TAKE SOME TIME BETWEEN
WHEN THE RULES ARE KNOWN AND
THEN CHANGING THE CODE AND ALL
THE OTHER THINGS NECESSARY
BEFORE, REALISTICALLY, THE
RULES CAN BE INCORPORATED NOT
INTO THE BUSINESS MODEL, BUT
THE ACTUAL SOFTWARE OF THESE
COMPANIES.
IT WAS HARD TO DECIDE HOW TO
EXPRESS THIS.
CAN WE GIVE THEM A BUFFER SO
THEY ARE NOT IMMEDIATELY LIABLE
FOR VIOLATIONS WHEN THE RULES
ARE KNOWN?
WE CAN'T REQUIRE OLS -- THERE
IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE
FILING OF THE RULES AND THE
SPIRIT OF YOUR AMENDMENT WITH
THE EFFECTIVE DATE.
SO, IF THE RULES ARE FILED AT
18 MONTHS, THERE IS NO TIME,
NECESSARILY -- THERE IS NO TIME
FOR THESE COMPANIES TO MODIFY
THEIR PLATFORM.
I SAID 18 MONTHS, ANTICIPATING
THAT YOUR AMENDMENT WOULD PASS.
BUT, NOT KNOWING WHEN THERE
WOULD BE CERTAIN T ABOUT THE
RULES AND I ADDED SIX MONTHS
ON, THINKING IT WOULD BE
REASONABLE TO MAKE THE CHANGES
TO THE CODE.
>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER NELSON
, FOR YOUR EXPLANATION ABOUT
THE PURPOSE OR YOUR INTENT OF
THE AMENDMENT.
WE CAN SEE IF THERE ARE OTHER
COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR
CONCERNS FROM OTHER
COUNCILMEMBERS.
>> MAY I SAY THAT I WELCOME
OTHER SUGGESTIONS FOR HOW TO
GET AT WHAT I'M TRYING TO DO
HERE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THIS WAS THE
CLEANEST WAY TO GO.
>> THANK YOU.
WE CAN GET CENTRAL STAFF TO
OPINE A LITTLE BIT ON THIS.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT OLS
ALWAYS BEGINS WITH A SORT OF
SOFT TOUCH ON ENFORCEMENT,
FOCUSING ON EDUCATION OUTREACH,
FIRST.
YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE A
HISTORY WHEN WE PASSED LABOR
STANDARDS, INCLUDING THE TNC
FAIR SHARE LEGISLATION, OF
DELAYING IMPLEMENTATION UNTIL
AFTER THE DIRECTOR'S WILL
PROCESS.
I'M CONCERNED THAT WE ARE
SENDING A SIGNAL ABOUT THE
AUTHORITY THAT WE DELEGATE TO
DIRECTOR'S RULES.
IT WOULD BE THAT WE DON'T ALLOW
LEGISLATION TO GO INTO EFFECT
UNTIL AFTER THE RULEMAKING IS
COMPLETE.
AGAIN, I WOULD BE CONCERNED
THAT WE ARE, SOMEHOW,SENDING A
SIGNAL THAT THE LEGISLATION
GOING INTO EFFECT IS CONTINGENT
ON A PARTICULAR OUTCOME AROUND
THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE RULES.
THE RULE PROCESS IS OPEN TO THE
PUBLIC AND INCLUDES A LOT OF
STAKEHOLDER ENGAGEMENT AND
INDIVIDUAL COUNCILMEMBERS OR
COUNCILMEMBERS AS A GROUP, CAN
PROVIDE INPUT TO THAT PROCESS.
MAYBE CENTRAL STAFF CAN SPEAK A
LITTLE BIT TO THE OLS APPROACH
TO ENFORCING NEW RULES AFTER A
FRESH DIRECTORS RULE PROCESS?
>> CERTAINLY.
I DO THINK YOUR GENERAL
DESCRIPTION IS ACCURATE ABOUT
THE OLS APPROACH TO NEW LAWS.
IT IS A POLICY CHOICE FOR
COUNCILMEMBERS TO DECIDE HOW
MUCH THEY WANT TO TRUST THAT TO
GO FORWARD, OR TO REQUIRE THE
RULEMAKING TO HAPPEN IN A
CERTAIN TIME PERIOD OR REQUIRE
IMPLEMENTATION TO BE AFTER
RULEMAKING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT IT
COULD BE SOMETHING THAT COUNCIL
CAN REQUIRE OF OLS.
THE CONTINGENT EFFECTIVE DATE
IS NOT UNPRECEDENTED. IT
CERTAINLY IS, FOR LABOR
STANDARDS.
FOR OTHER REGULATIONS, THERE
ARE CONTINGENT EFFECTIVE DATES.
IT WOULD BE A POLICY CHOICE FOR
COUNCIL.
>> THANK YOU, JASMINE.
APPRECIATE THAT.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS
FROM COUNCILMEMBERS ON THIS
AMENDMENT?
SEEING NON-, CLERK, PLEASE CALL
THE ROLL ON THE AMENDMENT.
>> , ACMA SKATER?
>> NO.
.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COMIC PEDERSEN?
>> AYE.
>> VICE-CHAIR LEWIS?
>> NO.
.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> NO.
.
>> TWO IN FAVOR AND THREE
OPPOSED.
>> THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT PASS.
OUR FINAL AMENDMENT, AND I'M
HEARING WEARY VOICES.
WILL CENTRAL STAFF DESCRIBE
AMENDMENT 13?
>> AMENDMENT 13, VERSION ONE IS
SPONSORED BY COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
IT WOULD NOT ENDOW THE OLS
DIRECTOR WITH NEW AND
SUBSTANTIVE AUTHORITY.
IT WOULD CLARIFY THE COUNCIL'S
INTENT BASED ON THE INTRODUCED
LEGISLATION, THE OFFICE OF
LABOR STANDARDS CAN ASSESS
INVESTIGATION COSTS AGAINST THE
NETWORK COMPANY.
THE AMENDMENT WOULD AUTHORIZE
THE DIRECTOR TO ISSUE RULES FOR
ASSESSING REASONABLE
INVESTIGATION COSTS AND WOULD
STRONGLY ENCOURAGE THE DIRECTOR
TO DO SO, TO SUPPORT
IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS CHAPTER
8.37.
MY EXPLANATION JUST
CONTRADICTED MY OPENER.
WHEN I WANT TO SAY IS THAT THE
DIRECTOR IS ALREADY ABLE TO
ASSESS INVESTIGATION COSTS
AGAINST A NETWORK COMPANY IN
THE EXISTING LANGUAGE AND REDUCE
LEGISLATION WHICH SAYS THAT THE
DIRECTOR CAN ASSESS THE
REASONABLE COST INCURRED IN
ENFORCING THIS CHAPTER.
WHAT THIS AMENDMENT WOULD SEEK
TO DO IS TO CLARIFY THAT THOSE
REASONABLE COSTS INCLUDE
INVESTIGATION COSTS.
THE AMENDMENT WOULD ENCOURAGE
THE DIRECTOR TO ASSESS ALL COSTS
TO SUPPORT THE OLS FUNDING NEEDS
TO IMPLEMENT THIS LEGISLATION.
THERE ARE OTHER EXAMPLES OF
OTHER CITY DEPARTMENTS WHEN
THEY ASSESS ENFORCEMENT COSTS
AND THE SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION CAN ASSESS
ENFORCEMENT COSTS FOR THE
ENFORCEMENT OF THE STREET AND
SIDEWALK USE CODE AND THE
SEATTLE DEPARTMENT OF
INSPECTIONS CAN ENFORCE THE
INSPECTION FEES FOR THE
BUILDING AND CONSTRUCTION USE
CODE.
ALSO, I BELIEVE THEY CAN ENFORCE
THESE FOUR ENFORCING BUSINESS
REGULATORY LICENSE FEES, AS
WELL.
└> THANK YOU, KARINA.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA, AS A
SPONSOR OF THIS AMENDMENT, DO
YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS?
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR AND
THANKS TO KARINA FOR YOUR WORK
WITH US AND TO SCHEDULE THIS
WITH OUR STAFF AND SHE IS OUR
BUDGET LEAD.
WE APPRECIATE YOU WALKING
THROUGH THE AMENDMENT TODAY AND
HIGHLIGHTING THE PRECEDENT THAT
WAS SAID IN OTHER DEPARTMENTS.
ALL OF US SIT ON THE BUDGET
COMMITTEE AND THE SAME ON THE
PUBLIC SAFETY AND HUMAN
SERVICES COMMITTEE, AS ON THE
FINANCE AND HOUSING COMMITTEE.
WE'VE HEARD MANY TIMES THAT THE
TOP BUDGET SITUATION WE FACE
THIS YEAR AND LOOKING AT THE
SIX-YEAR OUTLOOK PRESENTED BY
CENTRAL STAFF, WE KNOW THERE IS
MUCH WORK TO BE DONE OVER THE
COURSE OF THE NEXT FEW YEARS.
WHILE WE CONSIDER LEGISLATION
IMPORTANT THAT ALIGNS WITH
POLICY VALUES, WE ALSO NEED TO
ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IT IS
IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE
BUDGETARY IMPACTS ARE
CONSIDERED.
THIS STRATEGY HELPS PUT
TOGETHER A PROCESS TOWARD
LOOKING FOR WAYS TO MAKE SURE
THERE IS A POSSIBILITY OF
IDENTIFYING FUNDING IN THE OUT
YEARS THAT CAN BUILD ON ITSELF
TO BRING IN ADDITIONAL REVENUE.
THIS AMENDMENT ALLOWS FOR THE
DIRECTOR OF OFFICE OF LABOR
STANDARDS THE DISCRETION -- AND
I THINK THAT'S THE IMPORTANT
WORD IN THIS AMENDMENT -- THE
DISCRETION ON WHETHER OR NOT
ASSESSMENTS ON A CASE-BY-CASE
BASIS WILL BE APPLIED TO MAKE
SURE WE SETTLED VIOLATIONS
INSTEAD OF A MUCH LONGER
PROCESS THAT DOESN'T BENEFIT
I THINK THAT THIS IS A LATE
TOUCH APPROACH TO MAKE SURE WE
ARE CONSIDERING THIS GOING
FORWARD AND LOOK FORWARD TO
CONTINUE TO WORK WITH ALL OF
YOU AS WE THINK ABOUT OUR
FINANCIAL NEEDS FOR THE CITY
AND THE GROWING POPULATION IN
SEATTLE.
I LOOK FORWARD TO SUPPORTING
THIS AND I HOPE WE WILL GATHER
SUPPORT BECAUSE IT HELPS AROUND
OUT NOT JUST THE POLICY CODES,
BUT HOW WE CONTINUE TO MAKE
SURE IT IS FUNDED.
>> THANK YOU, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR WORK ON THIS
AMENDMENT.
IF THERE ARE NO FURTHER
CLARIFYING QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
AMENDMENT, COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA, WOULD YOU LIKE TO MOVE
IT?
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I MOVE AMENDMENT NUMBER 13.
>> THANK YOU.
SECONDED.
>> ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR
QUESTIONS?
AMENDMENT 13?
NOT SEEING ANY?
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON IS
POPPING UP.
>> THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> OLS DOES NOT SEEK TO RECOUP
INVESTIGATION COSTS,
REINFORCING OTHER LABOR
REGULATIONS.
THAT WORK IS PERFORMED BY
DEPARTMENTAL STAFF WITH SALARIES
COMING OUT OF THE GENERAL FUND.
IN OTHER WORDS, THAT IS THEIR
JOB AND DIFFERENT FROM
INVESTIGATIONS IN SDCI OR SDOT
BECAUSE THOSE ARE PAID FOR BY
PERMIT APPLICATIONS.
THOSE CAN BE THOUGHT OF AS YOU
RESERVE FEES, IN A WAY.
I DON'T THINK THAT IS AN
ACCURATE COMPARISON OF HOW WE
PAY FOR INVESTIGATIONS THROUGH
DCF.
THIS WOULD ALLOW OLS TO CHARGE
COMPANIES EVEN IF THERE IS NO
DETERMINATION OF VIOLATION.
OR, IF THE INVESTIGATION ENDS
IN A SETTLEMENT AND THERE IS NO
LANGUAGE PROHIBITING IT, IF A
INVESTIGATION IS DISMISSED.
ACCORDING TO THE INTERACTIVE
DASHBOARD, OF THE 899
INVESTIGATIONS LAUNCHED, 66%
ENDED IN SETTLEMENT AND THAT IS
PARTLY BECAUSE THE BUSINESSES
WANT IT TO GO AWAY SO THEY CAN
GO BACK TO DOING BUSINESS.
12% HAVE ENDED IN NO
DETERMINATION OF VIOLATION AND
ONLY 11% HAVE ENDED IN
DETERMINATION OF VIOLATION AND
11% WERE DISMISSED.
EVEN IF ONE AGREES OR ARGUES
IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO TO
MAKE COMPANIES WHO VIOLATE PAY
REGULATIONS PAY FOR THE COST OF
ENFORCEMENT, IN ADDITION TO
ATTORNEY FEES IF OLS USES
OUTSIDE COUNSEL AND IN ADDITION
TO THE FEES FOR THE ACTUAL
VIOLATION, THAT'S ONLY A
FRACTION OF THE LABOR EXPENDED
IN INVESTIGATIONS FOUR
ENFORCING THIS WHOLE PACKAGE.
SO, ALLOWING OLS TO CHARGE FOR
THE WORK TO INVESTIGATE ALL THE
OTHER CASES, IT ISN'T REALLY
FAIR TO THE COMPANIES THAT ARE
REALLY IN VIOLATION.
YOU KNOW, SOME COULD SAY THIS
IS A CONFLICT OF INTEREST
BECAUSE IT COULD CREATE, YOU
KNOW -- IT COULD CREATE THE
WILLINGNESS TO INVESTIGATE,
JUST FOR INVESTIGATION'S SAKE.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT IS
HAPPENING BUT THE BOTTOM LINE,
ALTHOUGH OLS IS ALLOWED TO DO
THIS, IT SEEMS TO BE THE FIRST
TIME THIS HAPPENED.
THAT IS WHY I'M CONCERNED ABOUT
THIS AMENDMENT.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
NELSON.
AGAIN, I THINK A LOT OF THE
ISSUES THAT YOU ARE RAISING AS
CONCERNS ARE ISSUES THAT OLS
DOES CONSIDER.
AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO
CREATING A DISINCENTIVE TO
SETTLE, BOTH PARTIES ARE AT THE
TABLE ON THE DECISION TO
SETTLE.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THERE IS A
LOT OF INTEREST ON BEHALF OF
OLS AND THE WORKERS THEY
REPRESENT, TO SETTLE WHEN
APPROPRIATE.
LIKEWISE, THERE IS AN INTEREST
ON THE PART OF BUSINESSES TO
SETTLE.
I DON'T THINK GRANTING THE OLS
DIRECTOR THE DISCRETION TO
CONSIDER THIS, MOVING FORWARD
WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT
EVERYONE HAS A SHARED INTEREST
IN RESOLVING THESE CASES --
IT'S IN A WAY THAT IS EXPEDIENT
AND THAT RESULTS IN JUSTICE FOR
WORKERS.
I AM CONFIDENT THAT THE OLS
DIRECTOR WILL KEEP ALL OF THESE
ISSUES IN FRONT OF MIND WHEN
DECIDING HOW AND IF IT IS THE
AUTHORITY IN THE AMENDMENT.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> THANKS, MADAM CHAIR.
MY STAFF SPENT A LOT OF TIME
WITH EVERYBODY WORKING THROUGH
THE AMENDMENTS AND NONE OF
THESE CONCERNS WERE RAISED.
WE HAVE TO BE CAREFUL TO USE
THE WORDS WITH OUR WORKERS IN
ANY DEPARTMENT. I
THINK THIS IS INTENDED TO BE
COMPLEMENTARY AND INTENDED TO
BE SUPPLEMENTARY AND NOT TO
SUPPLANT EXISTING COSTS FOR THE
DEPARTMENT.
IT IS INTENDED TO MIRROR WHAT
WE SEE AT THE STATE LEVEL,
ALLOWING FOR LABOR AND INDUSTRY
TO CONSIDER ADDITIONAL FEES IF
IT IS NEGOTIATED AS PART OF THE
SETTLEMENT TO COME BACK TO THE
STATE.
THAT'S THE WAY TO MAKE SURE
THAT THE GEARS TURN AND THERE
IS GOOD PRECEDENT FOR THIS, AS
ALREADY ESTABLISHED.
THERE IS NOT GREAT PRECEDENT ON
THE CRISIS IN TERMS OF OUR
BUDGETS.
WE ARE TRYING TO BE CREATIVE
ABOUT SUPPORTING POLICIES AND
I'M SURE THERE WILL BE OTHER
POLICIES ACROSS THE COUNCIL
FOLKS WOULD LIKE TO SEE GOING TO
STATUTE.
WE HAVE TO BE FLEXIBLE TO THINK
ABOUT CREATIVE WAYS TO BRING
ADDITIONAL REVENUE TO SUPPORT
THESE IMPORTANT POLICIES.
THIS IS A LIGHT TOUCH APPROACH
THAT CAN BE COMPLEMENTARY AND
SUPPORT THE OVERALL EFFORT THAT
IS AMENDED WITH THE BILL IN
FRONT OF US TO REQUIRE
ADDITIONAL WORK FROM THE OFFICE
OF LABOR.
THIS IS IN NO WAY AN EFFORT TO
FULLY FUND THE FISCAL NOTES
ASSOCIATED.
IT'S INTENDED TO BE SUPPORTIVE
OF TRYING TO FIND GREATER
SOLUTIONS.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
COUNCILMEMBER NELSON, A
RESPONSE?
>> YES.
I WILL TAKE THOSE COMMENTS INTO
CONSIDERATION WHEN IN THE
BUDGET CYCLES WE DETERMINED THE
OLS'S NECESSARY INCREASED
RESOURCES FOR THIS.
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, YOU SAID
THE DIRECTOR DISCRETION -- I
WANTED TO -- THE LANGUAGE OF
THE AMENDMENT DOES MORE THAN
GRANT.
IT SAID THE DIRECTOR MAY ISSUE
RULES ON THE AMOUNTS AND
CONTRIBUTING FACTORS FOR
REASONABLE INVESTIGATION COSTS
AND IT IS STRONGLY ENCOURAGED
TO ASSESS SUCH COSTS IN FAVOR
FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION.
SO, I'M READING STRONGLY
ENCOURAGED AS -- WELL, AS IT'S
WRITTEN.
>> STILL DISCRETIONARY.
I APPRECIATE YOU HIGHLIGHTING
THE EMPHASIS.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS BEFORE WE
CALL THE ROLL ON THE FINAL
AMENDMENT?
SEEING NONE.
CLERK, PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
THE FINAL AMENDMENT.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> NAY.
>> , PEDERSEN?
>> NO.
.
>> PFISTER LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> 'S.
>> THREE IN FAVOR AND TWO
OPPOSED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH.
THAT IS THE FINAL AMENDMENT
BEFORE US TODAY.
BEFORE HAVING CLOSING COMMENTS,
I WANT TO OFFER MY COLLEAGUES
THE OFFER TO MAKE ANY CLOSING
COMMENTS BEFORE I CLOSE THE
DISCUSSION AND VOTE ON THE BILL
AS AMENDED.
ANY FINAL COMMENTS FROM
COLLEAGUES?
AND I WILL UNDERSTAND IF YOU
DON'T WANT TO MAKE FINAL
COMMENTS.
IT'S BEEN A VERY LONG SESSION.
THANK YOU.
WE'VE BEEN WORKING ON THIS
PROPOSAL FOR A YEAR.
I WANT TO THANK THE
STAKEHOLDERS FOR THEIR
ENGAGEMENT.
WE'VE BEEN DEVELOPING THE POLICY
. WE WILL BE REVIEWING OUR WORK
AND LEGISLATION COVERING ISSUES
THAT WERE NOT COVERED IN THIS
BILL.
I WILL WORK WITH THE
STAKEHOLDERS AND THE GROUP THAT
WE HAVE BEEN WORKING WITH AND
ANY OTHERS THAT WOULD LIKE TO
JOIN THE EFFORT.
I WANT TO THANK THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS AND THEIR STAFF,
SPECIFICALLY COUNCILMEMBER
LEWIS AND HIS STAFF WORKER AND
THE WORK OF CENTRAL STAFF AND
SPECIFICALLY CRITICAL, AMY GORE
AND JASMINE.
I WOULD BE REMISS IF I DID NOT
THINK MY OFFICE, THE DRIVING
FORCE OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF
THIS LEGISLATION.
I THANK HIM FOR HIS DILIGENCE
AND DETAIL.
COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
I WANT TO THANK YOU, AS WELL,
FOR SHEPHERDING THIS PROCESS
THROUGH TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY
AND ALL OF THE AMENDMENTS
THROUGHOUT THIS MORNING AND THE
AFTERNOON THAT THE COMMITTEE HAS
CONSIDERED.
I CERTAINLY EXTEND MY THANKS TO
CAMILLA BROWN AND MY STAFF FOR
THIS PROCESS AND THIS WORK.
THEY WORKED DILIGENTLY ON ALL
OF THE STAKEHOLDER PROCESSES
THAT HAVE GOTTEN US TO WHERE WE
ARE TODAY.
I AM READY TO VOTE.
>> THANK YOU.
COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> THANK YOU, CHAIR HERBOLD.
I WANTED TO KNOW -- EVEN THOUGH
THIS HAS BEEN IN YOUR COMMITTEE
FOR A WHILE, WE DID GET A BUNCH
OF LETTERS TODAY FROM SOME
LOCAL SMALL BUSINESSES,
EXPRESSING CONCERNS.
THEY KNOW COUNCILMEMBERS NOT ON
THIS COMMITTEE THAT MIGHT NEED
SOME TIME TO REVIEW THE
COMPLICATED LEGISLATION.
WHAT IS YOUR INTENT FOR WHEN IT
WOULD BE GETTING TO THE FULL
CITY COUNCIL?
>> JUST TO BE CLEAR, WE'VE
RECEIVED ADDITIONAL PUBLIC
COMMENT, AS OFTEN HAPPENS
BEFORE A COMMITTEE VOTE.
WE DID DO OUTREACH TO THE OTHER
OFFICES NOT ON THIS COMMITTEE
AND I DID OFFER TO SPONSOR
AMENDMENTS WRITTEN BY
COUNCILMEMBERS NOT ON THIS
COMMITTEE, FOR PURPOSES OF
HEARING THOSE AMENDMENTS.
WE HAVE NOT YET RECEIVED ANY.
I UNDERSTAND THAT MIGHT CHANGE.
BUT, I'M HAPPY TO ENTERTAIN A
CHANGE IN WHAT ORDINARILY WOULD
HAPPEN AFTER THE COMMITTEE
VOTE.
YOU KNOW, AGAIN, IF IT'S A
UNANIMOUS VOTE, IT WOULD MOVE
TO THE FULL COUNCIL AND IF IS A
SPLIT VOTE, IT WOULD SKIP A
WEEK.
I'M HAPPY TO CONSIDER AN
AMENDMENT THAT CONSIDERS THE
LATER OF THE TWO FOR OPTIONS
REGARDLESS OF WHAT HAPPENS.
FOR INSTANCE, IF THERE IS A
UNANIMOUS VOTE ON THIS VIRGIN
MOVING OUT OF COMMITTEE AND WE
THINK IT WOULD BENEFIT FROM
ANOTHER WEEK, I'M HAPPY TO
CONSIDER THAT.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN, I
SAW YOU COME OFF MUTE.
I WOULD VERY MUCH APPRECIATE IF
WE COULD MOVE THIS FORWARD NEXT
WEEK.
I HAVE ALREADY HAD AN EXCUSE FOR
THAT FIRST TUESDAY IN JUNE AND
I'M HOPING TO KEEP THOSE PLANS.
I VERY MUCH AGREE THAT WE STILL
HAVE A LOT OF WORK TO DO TO
MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE CHANGES
FROM AMENDMENTS TWO AND THREE
AS REQUESTED.
MANY OF US HAVE BEEN ENGAGED IN
CONVERSATIONS WITH THIS
COMMITTEE AND I KNOW THAT,
ESPECIALLY WHEN OUR OFFICE IS
CONSIDERING AMENDMENTS, WE
TRIED TO CALL EVERY OFFICE AND
SPENT TIME TALKING TO STAFF
AND/OR DIRECTLY TO THE
COUNCILMEMBERS.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF
CONVERSATION ABOUT THE
AMENDMENTS, AS WELL.
ASKING MY STAFF FOR THE NUMBERS
OF LETTERS OF SUPPORT AS
OPPOSED, WE'VE RECEIVED OVER
575 LETTERS IN SUPPORT OF THE
UNDERLYING LEGISLATION AND
ACCORDING TO MY TEAM, AROUND 30-
40 EMAILS IN OPPOSITION.
SOME OF THOSE, OBVIOUSLY, HAD
MULTIPLE FOLKS SIGN ON THEM ON
THE PRO AND THE CON LINE.
COUNCILMEMBERS NOT ON THIS
COMMITTEE HAVE A STRONG SENSE
OF WHAT IS COMING.
I WOULD SUPPORT CONTINUING TO
HAVE THIS ON THE NEXT TUESDAY
COMMITTEE MEETING, A FULL WEEK
PLUS 20 MINUTES.
IF WE ARE ABLE TO GET THIS OUT
IN THE NEXT 20 MINUTES BEFORE
FULL COUNCIL.
THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA.
NOT SEEING ANY ADDITIONAL
COMMENTS COMMENTS -- WILL THE
CLERK PLEASE CALL THE ROLL ON
THE PASSAGE OF THE BILL AS
AMENDED?
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER NELSON?
>> AYE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PEDERSEN?
>> ABSTAIN.
>> COUNCILMEMBER LEWIS?
>> YES.
>> CHAIR HERBOLD?
>> YES.
>> FOUR IN FAVOR AND ONE
ABSTAINED.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH,
EVERYBODY.
THE MOTION CARRIES.
THE COMMITTEE RECOMMENDS THAT
THE COUNCIL BILL PASS AS
AMENDED AND UNLESS WE DECIDE
SOMETHING BETWEEN NOW AND
MONDAY, MY INTENT IS TO FORWARD
IT TO THE MAY 31 CITY COUNCIL
MEETING. BUT, I DO WANT TO TAKE
INTO CONSIDERATION WHETHER OR
NOT WE ARE EXPECTED TO RECEIVE
ADDITIONAL AMENDMENTS FROM OUR
COLLEAGUES WHO CAN'T BE WITH US
HERE TODAY AND WHO DO NOT HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY, AS PROVIDED IN
COMMITTEE.
WE COULD GET SOME
CORRESPONDENCE FROM OUR COUNCIL
PRESIDENT, SPEAKING TO HER HOPE
THAT WE MINIMIZE AMENDMENTS AT
FULL COUNCIL. I
APPRECIATE THE SPIRIT OF THAT
REQUEST AND I THINK WE ALL HAVE
COLLECTIVELY DONE EVERYTHING WE
CAN TO HAVE THOSE AMENDMENTS
HEARD HERE.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT SOMETIMES,
OUR BEST LAID PLANS DO NOT GO
ACCORDING TO PLAN.
SO, WITH THAT, OUR NEXT PUBLIC
SAFETY AND HUMAN SERVICES
COMMITTEE MEETING IS SCHEDULED
FOR JUNE 14.
BEFORE WE ADJOURN, WOULD
COUNCILMEMBERS ABSENT FROM THAT
MEETING -- ON THE RECORD NOW --
FOR THIS PLAN.
IF NOT, I UNDERSTAND IF YOU DO
NOT KNOW IN ADVANCE.
SEEING NO REQUESTS FOR EXCUSING
ATTENDANCE ON JUNE 14, AND NOT
HEARING ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS
FROM MY COLLEAGUES, THE TIME IS
1:43 P.M.
AND WE ARE ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU, EVERYBODY.