>>> GOOD AFTERNOON AND THANK
YOU FOR JOINING US AGAIN AT THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE.
THIS IS OCTOBER 2nd, 2019.
THE AFTERNOON SESSION.
I AM SALLY BAGSHAW.
THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBERS FOR
BEING WITH ME AND COLLEAGUES
THAT MAY BE RUNNING DOWN THE
HALL.
PLEASE KNOW THAT WE HAVE GOTTEN
STARTED AT 2:02 P.M.
WE HEARD FROM A VERY LARGE
GROUP THIS MORNING THAT FOCUSED
ON THE HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE
FROM OUR CITY THROUGH MULTIPLE
DEPARTMENTS ON AND I WANT TO
THANK ALL THOSE WHO WERE HERE
THIS MORNING.
WE DID A DEEP DIVE AND I FELT
IT WAS A VERY EFFECTIVE TIME TO
LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT
COMMITTEES ARE DOING AND WHAT
DEPARTMENTS ARE DOING TOGETHER.
THIS AFTERNOON, AFTER THIS
PRESENTATION, WE WILL HAVE
PUBLIC COMMENT.
IN THE MEANTIME, WE HAVE A VERY
FULL AGENDA AND WE WILL FORCED
HEAR ABOUT LAW ENFORCEMENT.
I ASKED THE KING COUNTY
PROSECUTING ATTORNEY AND MY
GOOD FRIEND DAN SATTERBERG TO
BE HERE AS WELL AS THE MOST
RECENT RECIPIENT OF THE GENUS
AWARDS.
CONGRATULATIONS, LISA.
WHY DON'T THE TWO OF YOU COME
UP SO WE DON'T SPEND ANY MORE
TIME AND TRANSITION.
AND AFTER THE LONG DIVE, WE
WILL HAVE A HALF-HOUR FOR DAN
SATTERBERG AND LISA DAUGAARD
AND THEN WE WILL HEAR FROM THE
DEPARTMENTS THAT ARE ALSO
WORKING ON LEAD.
I WILL TRY TO KEEP THIS ON
TRACK BECAUSE WE ALSO, AFTER
THE SECOND PANEL FOCUSED ON
LEAD, WE WILL HEAR FROM THE
MAYOR'S RECOMMENDATION WITH OUR
TMZ WHICH IS KNOWN AS THE "FARE
SHARE" PLAN.
AND THE OFFICE OF
SUSTAINABILITY AND ENVIRONMENT,
WE HAVE EXCUSED THEM THIS
AFTERNOON BECAUSE WE KNOW WE
WILL GET INTO A LENGTHY
SESSION.
COLLEAGUES, IF YOU HAVE A
DESIRE TO HEAR FROM OSC, YOU
HAVE BEEN INVITED TO TALK WITH
THEM SEPARATELY.
>> CHAIR "FARE SHARE", I KNOW
MANY UBER AND LYFT DRIVERS
HERE.
I KNOW THAT YOU WANT TO DO
PUBLIC COMMENT TOWARD THE END.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD IF WE
ACCOMMODATE PUBLIC COMMENT IF
THEY WANT TO.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER
SAWANT.
THANK YOU.
AT THE TABLE, I WILL START WITH
ALLISON AGAIN.
IF YOU WILL START INTRODUCTIONS
AND WE WILL JUST GO AROUND THE
TABLE.
>> LISA K, CENTRAL STAFF.
>> GREG DOS, COUNSEL CENTRAL
STAFF.
>> PUBLIC DEFENDER
ASSOCIATION.
>> DAN SATTERBERG, KING
COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY.
>> LISA DAUGAARD, DIRECTOR OF
THE PUBLIC DEFENDER
ASSOCIATION.
>> THE LEAD PROGRAM MOMENT
MANAGER FOR REACH.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
LISA OR GREG, ARE YOU KICKING
THIS OFF?
>> I WILL PROVIDE SOME
CONTEXT.
WE WILL HEAR ABOUT LEAD.
I WON'T BE GOING INTO IT TOO
MUCH.
WHAT I WILL SAY IS THAT THE
PROGRAM IS FUNDED IN 2018 AT
1.7 MILLION.
THE COUNCIL ADDED LAST YEAR,
462,000.
THE HOPE THERE WAS THAT THE
LEAD PROGRAM THAT WAS NOT
CITYWIDE COULD BE SPREAD
CITYWIDE.
YOU WILL HEAR IN A MINUTE THAT
THEY HAVE BEEN CHALLENGED WITH
A LOT OF NEW REFERRALS.
THERE WILL BE NO INFORMATION ON
THAT.
THE 462 CARRIED OVER INTO THE
2020 BUDGET.
THERE WAS A LITTLE ADDED TO IT.
ABOUT 288,000.
NOW THE ENTIRE PROGRAM IN THE
2020 PROPOSED BUDGET WOULD BE
FUNDED AT ABOUT $2.5 MILLION.
>> MAY BE THE TEAM WILL TALK
TO US ABOUT THIS BUT I THOUGHT
LAST YEAR WE WERE EXPANDING THE
PROGRAM TO OTHER PRECINCTS.
>> THAT WAS THE HOPE.
THAT IN 2019, THE 462,000 ADDED
WOULD BE ENOUGH TO EXPAND INTO
THE SOUTH PRECINCT ON THE
SOUTHWEST PRECINCTS.
SOME OF THAT HAS HAPPENED AND
THE PROGRAM WILL TALK MORE
ABOUT THAT.
THEY ALSO ENCOUNTERED QUITE A
FEW MORE REFERRALS FROM THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT.
THE ENTIRE CITYWIDE EXPANSION
HAS NOT HAPPENED YET.
>> VERY GOOD.
NEXT.
>> THAT IS ALL I HAVE.
>> TO THE KING COUNTY
PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, DAN
SATTERBERG.
YOU ARE UP.
>> IT IS AN HONOR TO BE HERE
BEFORE YOU TODAY.
I WANTED TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT
OF CONTEXT FOR THE BIGGER
PICTURE OF WHAT WE ARE TRYING
TO DO HERE.
ABOUT A YEAR AGO, I ANNOUNCED
THAT STANDARDS IN MY OFFICE HAD
CHANGED AND WE WOULD NO LONGER
ROUTINELY FILE CRIMINAL CHARGES
AGAINST PEOPLE WHO ARE FOUND
WITH TINY AMOUNTS OF DRUGS.
WE SET THE LIMIT AT 1 GRAM.
ALTHOUGH MOST CASES INVOLVE
MUCH LESS THAN A SINGLE GRAM.
THE REASON I MADE THAT DECISION
IS FOR A COUPLE REASONS.
ONE, THE COURTS ARE NOT SET UP
TO HELP THE PEOPLE THAT GO
THROUGH THE COURT SYSTEM LIKE
THAT.
ABOUT 800-000 PEOPLE A YEAR
WOULD BE PROSECUTED FOR TINY
AMOUNTS OF DRUGS.
EVEN THOUGH IT IS TECHNICALLY A
FELONY FOR WHICH THEY COULD GO
TO PRISON, WE PUT THOSE CASES
INTO THE DISTRICT COURT AND
ALLOWED A MISDEMEANOR PLEA TO
HAPPEN.
BUT THE COURT WAS NOT SET UP TO
HELP PEOPLE AND STILL ISN'T.
AND FOR THE PEOPLE GOING
THROUGH THAT SYSTEM, ON
AVERAGE, IT WOULD TAKE A YEAR
BETWEEN THE TIME THEY ARE
ARRESTED AND THE TIME THE CASE
RESOLVES.
ON AVERAGE, THEY WOULD GET ONE
AND HALF WARRANTS PER CASE
BECAUSE THEY WOULD NOT SHOW UP
TO COURT BECAUSE THE SUMMONS
WAS SENT TO AN ADDRESS WHERE
THEY NO LONGER LIVED.
AVERAGE OF 15 DAYS OF JAIL FOR
EACH PERSON.
JUST LONG ENOUGH TO LOSE ANY
STABILITY THEY MAY HAVE HAD IN
THEIR LIFE.
FOR ME, I LOOK AT SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER AND I THINK THAT WE
CAN ALL START WITH THE PREMISES
THAT THIS IS A DISEASE AND
PEOPLE CAN GET BETTER.
THEY CAN GET HELP.
CRIMINALIZING SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER IS A HARMFUL PRACTICE.
I WANT TO STOP THE HARM.
THE OTHER REASON IS THAT A LOT
OF PEOPLE FOUND WITHOUT SMALL
AMOUNT OF DRUGS WERE GETTING
HELP IN THE LEAD PROGRAM BUT IT
DEPENDED ON WHAT PART OF TOWN
THEY WERE BEING ARRESTED AND
I'M A LOOK PART OF THE COUNTY.
I STOPPED DOING THAT IN HOPES
THAT WE COULD USE THAT MOMENTUM
TO CONTINUE TO BUILD THE OTHER
THING.
IT IS NOT ENOUGH FOR ME JUST TO
WALK AWAY FROM PEOPLE WHO ARE
SUFFERING FROM SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER.
WE HAVE TO BUILD THAT RESPONSE.
AND BUILDING AN ALTERNATIVE IS
THE ESSENCE OF CRIMINAL JUSTICE
REFORM.
THE CASES COME TO THE
COURTHOUSE AND THE JAIL, NOT
BECAUSE WE ARE THE BEST OPTION
BUT BECAUSE WE HAVE ALREADY
BEEN BUILT.
WE HAVE TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE
IF WE EXPECT A DIFFERENT
RESULT.
YOU MAY HAVE SEEN IN AUGUST,
THERE WAS A NEW YORK TIMES
ARTICLE BY NICHOLAS KRISTOF
THAT DREW ATTENTION TO THAT.
AND PREMATURELY SAID THAT
SEATTLE HAD FIGURED THIS OUT.
WE HAVE NOT FIGURED IT OUT.
BUT WE DO HAVE A BLUEPRINT.
WE KNOW WHAT WORKS AND TODAY WE
ARE HERE TO ASK YOU TO FUND
MORE OF WHAT WORKS.
WHAT NICHOLAS KRISTOF SAID WAS,
AS I SEE IT, THE PROBLEM IS
THAT WHILE SEATTLE HAS DONE AN
OUTSTANDING JOB HALTING THE WAR
ON DRUGS, IT HAS NOT DONE WELL
ON FINANCING THE WAR ON
ADDICTION.
CLOSE TO THE LAW ENFORCEMENT
TOOLBOX WITHOUT FULLY OPENING
THE PUBLIC HEALTH TOOL TOOLBOX.
HE GOES ON TO SAY THAT WE NEED
A GREATER FOCUS ON SERVICE,
MENTAL HEALTH, AND MORE.
IT SHOULD BE A SCANDAL HE SAYS
THAT LESS THAN 20% OF AMERICANS
WITH SUBSTANCE ABUSE DISORDER
GET TREATMENT.
SOME COMMITTED TO CONTINUING
THIS EFFORT BUT I WANT YOUR
HELP.
I NEED YOUR HELP IF WE ARE
GOING TO STOP CRIMINALIZING
DRUG ADDICTION AND STOP THE WAR
ON DRUG USERS.
THAT IS WHAT THE WAR ON DRUGS
HAS ALWAYS BEEN.
ON THE PEOPLE MOST VISIBLE,
MOST MARGINALIZED,
DISPROPORTIONATELY AND POVERTY.
PEOPLE OF COLOR.
THEY ARE THE ONES THAT GET PUT
THROUGH THE RINGER OF THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM AND
THEY ARE ALSO THE PEOPLE THAT
RESPOND THE BEST TO THE KIND OF
COMMUNITY-BASED HEALTH RESPONSE
THAT WE ARE DOING WITH THE LEAD
PROGRAM.
THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE JUST
THOUGHT OF.
WE HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR
EIGHT, NINE YEARS.
WE KNOW WHAT WORKS.
I'M WILLING TO DO MY PART TO
END THE WAR ON DRUG USERS BUT I
NEED YOUR HELP.
I'M JUST THE PROSECUTOR.
LISA IS JUST THE GENIUS.
WE DON'T HAVE THE BUDGET
AUTHORITY TO MAKE THESE
PROGRAMS ARE REAL AND THEM
WORK.
TOGETHER, WE CAN DO IT.
I THINK TOGETHER, WE CAN SHOW
THE NATION AND THE NATION IS
WATCHING.
THAT WE CAN, AS A COMMUNITY,
SHIFT THE PARADIGM AWAY FROM
THE CRIMINALIZATION OF
ADDICTION TO A HARM REDUCTION
SERVICE ORIENTED COMMUNITY-
BASED HEALTH RESPONSE.
THE LEAD PROGRAM IS A NATIONAL
MODEL THAT WAS BORN HERE.
WE ARE ASKING YOU TO UNDERSTAND
TODAY THAT IT IS UNDER
TREMENDOUS PRESSURE.
MY FEAR IS THAT WE HAVE TAKEN
THE MODEL.
WE HAVE OVERLOADED IT.
AND THE BOAT IS STARTING TO
TAKE ON WATER AND IT IS GOING
TO SINK IF WE DON'T HELP IT.
AND THERE WILL BE PEOPLE AROUND
THE COUNTRY THAT SAY, THE LEAD
DID NOT WORK IN SEATTLE.
IT SANK.
W KNOW THE PROGRAM WORKS.
WE JUST HAVE TO TAKE CARE OF IT
AND DO SO WITH A SENSE OF
URGENCY.
I APPRECIATE YOU INVITING ME
OVER.
I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS
LATER.
>> THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE.
ONE THING YOU AND I TALKED
ABOUT SOME TIME AGO IS AT THE
THINGS WE KNOW THAT WORKS ARE
FULL.
PART OF WHAT YOU ARE TALKING
ABOUT TODAY IS INCREASING THE
CAPACITY.
>> EXACTLY.
>> GREAT. THINK YOU.
>> THAT IS ALMOST EVERYTHING
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IN
THE LIMITED TIME THAT WE HAVE
WITH YOU.
I WANT TO FIRST ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT THERE ARE A NUMBER OF
GENIUSES AT THIS TABLE AND EVEN
MORE IN THE ROOM.
AND THIS IS AN APPROACH THAT
WAS REALLY BORN OF THE
COMMENDABLE OPENNESS AND
RESOLVE OF EVERYONE.
ALL THE SECTORS IN SEATTLE FROM
BUSINESS, TO NEIGHBORHOODS, TO
CIVIL RIGHTS GROUPS, FROM
PROSECUTORS TO LAW ENFORCEMENT,
TO FIND A BETTER WAY.
PEOPLE'S MEMORIES ARE SHORT.
BUT WE WERE HEAVY UTILIZERS OF
THE COURT BASED, JILL-BASED
INTERVENTION STRATEGY FOR FOR
PROLIFIC OFFENDERS AND PEOPLE
STRUGGLING.
WHEN I WAS A HEALTH DEFENDER IN
THE MID-90S ALL THE WAY THROUGH
THE MID- TWO THOUSANDS, THE
VERDICT ON THE STREET WAS THAT
IT WAS A TERRIBLE FAILURE AND
WE NEEDED TO FIND ANOTHER WAY.
SO WE START ALWAYS WITH
ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT THERE ARE
MANY AUTHORS OF THIS APPROACH
AND MANY WHO HAVE CHOSEN TO
AFFILIATE WITH THE UNLIMITED
SUPPORT AND WE WOULD NOT BE
HERE OTHERWISE.
I WANT TO STEER US THROUGH THE
QUICK POWERPOINT PRESENTATION.
LET ME JUST SAY FOR THOSE NOT
FAMILIAR WITH WHAT LEAD IS, IN
THE SIMPLEST POPULACE TERMS,
LEAD IS AN ARRANGEMENT WHERE
INDIVIDUALS WHO COMMIT LAW
VIOLATIONS, COMMIT CRIMES,
BECAUSE OF BEHAVIORAL HEALTH
CONDITIONS, SUBSTANCE ABUSE
DISORDER OR OTHER MENTAL HEALTH
ISSUES OR EXTREME POVERTY AND
POLICE KNOW THAT, BECAUSE THEY
HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE AND THEY
HAVE MADE AN ARREST AND THEY
HAVE SOMEONE IN CUSTODY RIGHT
NOW AND DUE TO THEIR
EXPERIENCE, THEY ARE AWARE THAT
A PERSON DOES CHRONICALLY
COMMIT LOW-LEVEL CRIMES AS A
RESULT OF THESE CONDITIONS.
THEY HAVE ACCESS TO A WIDE A
RANGE OF STRATEGIES AND
RESPONSES THAN WHAT WAS
TRADITIONALLY THE CASE.
IN PARTICULAR, THEY CAN REACH
OUT TO AND MAKE A WARM HANDOFF
TO WHAT WE CALL GORILLA SOCIAL
WORKERS.
PEOPLE WHO ARE WILLING TO DO
WHATEVER IT TAKES TO FORM A
CONNECTION WITH SOMEBODY WHO IS
OFTEN HIGHLY MARGINALIZED AND
DIFFICULT TO ENGAGE AND SUSTAIN
THE CONNECTION AND USE KNOWN
EVIDENCE-BASED RESEARCH-BASED
TECHNIQUES TO GROW THAT
RELATIONSHIP SO THAT PEOPLE CAN
STRENGTHEN AND STABILIZE OVER
TIME.
THE GOAL OF LEAD IS TO REDUCE
CRIME.
THAT IS THE SINGLE GOAL.
WE USE STRATEGIES OF HUMAN
RESOURCES AND SOCIAL SERVICES
TO ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL.
>> CAN I STOP YOU THERE.
>> YES.
>> I WANT YOU TO SAY THAT
AGAIN.
I THINK LEAD GETS CONFUSED WITH
HOMELESSNESS RESPONSE.
AND WHAT YOU WERE JUST SAYING I
THINK IS THE KEY TO THIS.
CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN.
>> IT IS ONE OF MY FAVORITE
SENTENCES.
THE SINGLE GOAL OF LEAD IS TO
REDUCE CRIME.
THAT IS A REASONABLE PUBLIC
EXPECTATION.
THERE WILL BE PRESSURE ON THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT AND PUBLIC
OFFICIALS TO DO THAT.
AND THAT IS LEGITIMATE.
BUT WHEN WE ATTEMPT TO
ACCOMPLISH THAT GOAL, WE SHOULD
USE STRATEGIES KNOWN TO BE MORE
EFFECTIVE THAN THE OVER
INCARCERATION THAT DOMINATED MY
EARLY ADULTHOOD AND CAREER AS A
PUBLIC DEFENDER.
LET ME RUN THROUGH THOSE.
THESE ARE LEAD CLIENT OUTCOMES
FROM LAST YEAR AND THIS YEAR.
ACCOMPLISHED WITH A GROUP THAT
IS AGAIN HIGHLY MARGINALIZED
AND RARELY SUCCESSFULLY ENGAGED
AND HAS ENORMOUS TRUST ISSUES.
THESE ARE TRULY REMARKABLE LEAD
ENGAGEMENTS WITHIN A HARM
REDUCTION BASED CONTEXT WHICH
MEANS CASE MANAGERS MEET FOLKS
WHERE THEY ARE AND THEY DO NOT
MANDATE OR REQUIRE ANY
PARTICULAR STEPS TO REMAIN IN
THE SERVICE ARRAY.
WITH THAT SAID, ALTHOUGH PEOPLE
ARE NOT MADE TO DO SO, THEY DO
PARTICIPATE IN SUBSTANCE USE
DISORDER TREATMENT TO A
REMARKABLE DEGREE AND THOSE ARE
THE NUMBERS THAT YOU SEE UP
HERE.
FOLKS ARE GETTING PERMANENT
HOUSING BECAUSE OF THE SKILL OF
THE CASE MANAGERS WHOSE
LEADERSHIP IS TO MY LEFT.
THIS IS DESPITE THE FACT THAT
THE POPULATION IS NOT
PRIORITIZED WITHIN THE HOMELESS
HOUSING SYSTEM TO ANY DEGREE
AND FACES ENORMOUS CHALLENGES
GETTING QUALIFIED FOR HOUSING.
UBSTANTIAL REFERRALS THROUGH
MENTAL HEALTH SERVICES AS WELL.
I'M GOING TO SKIP THAT SLIDE.
THIS IS THE RECENT FUNDING
HISTORY.
YOU WILL NOTICE I THINK THAT
THIS IS A LITTLE DIFFERENT FROM
THE SLIDE FROM THE EXECUTIVE.
THAT IS JUST BECAUSE THE
EXECUTIVE SLIDE INCLUDES
FUNDING THAT KING COUNTY HAS
ALLOCATED FOR LEAD EXPANSION
OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE.
THESE ARE DOLLARS SOLELY
DIRECTED TO SEATTLE AND WE ARE
NOT ALLOWED TO USE THOSE
ADDITIONAL DOLLARS FOR SEATTLE-
BASED REFERRALS.
>> KING COUNTY DOLLARS YOU
DON'T USE FOR SEATTLE?
>> THE KING COUNTY MID-
FUNDING IS DIVIDED INTO TWO
STREAMS.
ONE FOR SEATTLE AND ONE FOR
OUTSIDE OF SEATTLE.
WE ARE LIMITED TO THE FUNDS
SHOWN IN ORANGE FOR USE FOR
SEATTLE-BASED.
THERE ARE THREE RESOURCES.
THE BLUE IS CITY OF SEATTLE
FUNDING.
THE ORANGE IS MID-FUNDING THAT
COMES TO KING COUNTY AND THE
GRAY IS A GRANT FROM THE TRUE
BLOOD GRANT PROGRAM
ADMINISTERED UNDER THAT CASE.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM.
WE KNOW FROM EXPERIENCE THAT
LEAD WORKS WELL.
IT IS AN EVIDENCE-BASED
INTERVENTION ACCORDING TO THE
STATE HEALTH AUTHORITY.
THE OFFICE OF JUSTICE PROGRAM
DEFINITION.
IT BECAME THAT AND SHOWN TO BE
RELATED TO REDUCE RECIDIVISM
AND IMPROVED OTHER OUTCOMES
WERE CASE MANAGERS CARRY THE
CASELOAD OF 25 CLIENTS.
IT IS NOT AN EVIDENCE-BASED
INTERVENTION WHEN THEY CARRY
ROUGHLY TWICE THAT.
WE ARE NEAR THAT POINT.
IN 2018, AT 25 CLIENTS PER CASE
MANAGER, THERE WERE 17 CASE
MANAGERS AND 17 CASELOADS.
THIS IS THE HEALTHIEST STATE
PROGRAM IN 2018.
AND 2019, WE PROPOSED GREATER
BUDGET INCREASE PROJECTING A
REFERRAL INCREASE WHICH WAS
ULTIMATELY FUNDED AND REFERRALS
EXCEEDED PROJECTIONS BEYOND
WHAT WE PREDICTED.
>> THESE WERE REFERRALS BY
POLICE AND SOCIAL WORKERS?
>> PRIMARILY BY POLICE.
BECAUSE OF THE CASELOAD
PRESSURES, WE HAVE VIRTUALLY
ELIMINATED ALL REFERRALS FROM
NONPOLICE SOURCES BECAUSE WE
ARE FUNDAMENTALLY THERE TO TAKE
THE PEOPLE THAT COME TO THE
ATTENTION OF POLICE AND PROVIDE
AN ULTIMATE DESTINATION RATHER
THAN JAIL AND COURT.
IT IS GREAT.
IT IS HEALTHY TO PROVIDE OTHER
REFERRALS AS WELL OR PEOPLE
CALL 911 AND THOSE REFERRALS GO
TO THE POLICE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE CAPACITY TO
STAFF THOSE.
WE PRESENTLY TAKE THE HIGHEST
PRIORITY REFERRALS FROM THE
BUSINESS ASSOCIATIONS
IDENTIFYING PEOPLE WHO ARE
SERIOUS PROBLEMS IN THEIR
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE PRESENTLY HAVE 19 CASE
MANAGERS FUNDED AT REACH.
WE HAVE CASELOADS FOR 33 PIXLEY
HAVE 19 PEOPLE DOING THE WORK
OF 33.
WITH ESSENTIALLY FLAT FUNDING
GOING INTO 2020, WHICH IS WHAT
WE ARE LOOKING AT, WE WILL HAVE
19 CASE MANAGERS FUNDED AT
REACH.
AND IT PROJECTED REFERRAL RATES.
AND THIS IS BEING CALCULATED AS
CONSERVATIVELY AS POSSIBLE
CONSERVING TO A SPEEDY THAT WE
CAN ONLY TAKE HIGH PRIORITY
REFERRALS.
THOSE CASE MANAGERS WILL BE
DOING THE WORK OF 58 PEOPLE.
>> THIS IS A BREAKDOWN OF HOW
THE LEAD BUDGET GETS SPENT.
AND THE BULK OF THE EXPENDITURE
IS FOR DIRECT SERVICES.
THERE IS A CITY ATTORNEY
LIAISON POSITION.
SOME COST FOR PROJECT
MANAGEMENT AND THAT IS ENTIRELY
PAID BY THE KING COUNTY FUNDING
SOURCE.
THIS IS HOW THE GROWTH FROM
2018-2019 WAS ALLOCATED.
SO THE 462,000 -- I KNOW
FOLKS WERE EXCITED ABOUT THE
IDEA AND I'M LOOKING AT
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD.
WE DID OPEN SOME OPERATIONS IN
THE SOUTH PRECINCT.
WE STARTED AND ENDED IN SODO
WHICH WAS THE LOCUS OF A CRIME
SPIKE.
AND THERE ARE MORE THAN ENOUGH
PEOPLE THERE TO CONSUME ALL THE
ADDITIONAL RESOURCES WE HAD.
WE ARE TRYING HARD TO DELIVER A
NOTICEABLE IMPROVEMENT IN THE
DYNAMICS IN SODO SO WE
CONCENTRATED THERE.
WE HOPE TO BE ABLE TO TAKE A
FEW REFERRALS FROM THE
SOUTHWEST PRECINCT AND
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD'S
DISTRICT BY THE END OF THE
YEAR.
WE ARE WAITING UNTIL THE BURIEN
LEAD OFFICE IS OPEN SO THE
REACH CASE MANAGERS HAVE A
FAIRLY NEARBY BASE OF
OPERATIONS FOR WHICH TO REACH
THOSE REFERRALS.
YOU CAN SEE THREE QUARTERS OF
THAT GROWTH WAS ALLOCATED
DIRECTLY TO REACH STAFFING,
OUTREACH AND SCREENING
COORDINATORS, SUPERVISORS AND
CASE MANAGERS.
AND SOME FOR SALARY INCREASES
THAT ARE NECESSARY TO RECRUIT
AND RETAIN STAFF TO DO THIS
VERY DIFFICULT WORK.
THIS IS THE PROJECTED INCREASE
IN REFERRAL.
THIS IS BASED ON OUR CURRENT
EXPERIENCE WITH US REALLY
DISCOURAGING ANY NONPRIORITY
REFERRALS.
THE ORANGE LINE, THE BLUE LINE
IS THE ACTUAL CURRENT REFERRAL
RATE.
THE ORANGE LINE REFLECTS THE
300 PRIORITY REFERRALS WE HAVE
ALREADY RECEIVED AND APPROVED.
SPD HAS APPROVED THESE AND THEY
HAVE NOT BEEN ASSIGNED TO CASE
MANAGERS BECAUSE OF THE EXTREME
WORKLOAD CRUNCH.
>> SO WHAT HAPPENS TO THOSE
PEOPLE?
>> THEY ARE JUST WAITING.
THEY HAVE NOT YET BEEN
ASSIGNED.
IT HAS BEEN A SOURCE OF
CONSIDERABLE FRUSTRATION TO THE
úLIEUTENANTS AND OFFICERS WE
WORK WITH PARTICULARLY IN THE
NORTH PRECINCT.
>> THEY ARE OUT.
NOT IN JAIL.
ON THE STREET.
>> THEY ARE KNOWN TO BE
COMMITTING CRIMES RELATED TO
BEHAVIORAL HEALTH CONDITIONS
AND NOBODY IS DOING ANYTHING
ABOUT THAT OTHER THAN PASSIVELY
WAITING FOR THEM, FOR AN
OFFICER TO HAVE PROBABLE CAUSE
AND MAKE AN ARREST.
IF WE HAD CAPACITY, WE WOULD BE
PROACTIVELY REDUCING AND
PREVENTING CRIME WITH
ENGAGEMENT ON REACH CASE
MANAGERS.
THAT IS WHY THE POLICE
PERSONNEL THAT MADE THESE
REFERRALS ARE FRUSTRATED THAT
WE CANNOT GET TO THEM.
>> DO YOU HAVE A COUNSEL
QUESTION?
>> I WILL WAIT FOR TWO MORE
SLIDES.
>> I'M A LITTLE CONFUSED BOTH
BY WHAT THE CASELOAD AND
STAFFING SLIDESHOWS AND WHAT I
HEARD YOU SAY EARLIER ABOUT
FLAT FUNDING GOING INTO 2020.
MY RECOLLECTION OF WHAT
HAPPENED IN LAST YEAR'S BUDGET
CYCLE IS, COUNSEL ADDED 462,000
, FOR 2019 AND THEN 750,000,
FOR 2020.
SO THAT WOULD BE A 300,000-
DOLLAR INCREASE FOR 2020.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD, YOU
ARE CORRECT.
THERE WERE 462,000 ADDED IN 19.
AND THAT 462,000 CARRIES OVER
INTO 2020.
AND THERE IS 288,000 MORE ADDED
IN 2020.
>> SO NOT FLAT MOVING INTO
2020.
I GET THE POINT THAT IT DOES
NOT MEET THE NEED.
>> IT IS EFFECTIVELY FLAT
BECAUSE OF THE SALARY
ADJUSTMENTS THAT WE WILL NEED
TO MAKE.
WE ARE LOSING THE PEOPLE THAT
DO THE PHENOMENAL WORK THAT HAS
RESULTED IN THE OUTCOMES WE
HAVE SEEN IN LEAD AND CANNOT
RECRUIT AND RETAIN THE FOLKS TO
DO THE WORK AT THE CURRENT
SALARY.
SO THERE IS A PROJECTED SCALE
INCREASE AND THEN WE ARE
LEASING NEIGHBORHOOD BASED
OFFICES IN THE NORTH PRECINCT
AT 105TH AND AURORA, ON CAPITOL
HILL AND IN SODO SO THAT
COMPLETELY ABSORBS THAT.
>> THANK YOU.
>> COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN AND
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
CAN YOU GO BACK TO THE SLIDE
THAT HAS THE PARALLEL LINES?
LISA'S COMMENT IS IMPORTANT.
I THINK IT IS REALLY IMPORTANT.
WE ARE RETRAINING OFFICERS TO
MAKE THESE REFERRALS INSTEAD OF
MAKE ARRESTS.
AND THE REFERRALS THEY ARE
MAKING GO TO PHYSICIANS THAT
ARE NOT FILLED BECAUSE OF
VACANCIES OR INADEQUATE FUNDING
WHERE WE ARE NOT ABLE TO SCALE
UP THE NUMBER OF CASE MANAGERS
THAT WE NEED OR PEOPLE ARE
CYCLING OUT BECAUSE OF TURNOVER
BECAUSE OF HIGH CASELOADS AND A
DESIRE TO HAVE MORE STABILITY
IN THE LEAD PROGRAM.
I THINK WE WILL LOSE TRUST WITH
THE PUBLIC AND OFFICERS AS
WELL.
THIS IS A NATIONALLY RECOGNIZED
PROGRAM.
IN TERMS OF PUBLIC HEALTH
ORGANIZATIONS AND THIS IS THE
MODEL.
I DON'T WANT THE POINT THAT YOU
MADE THAT THERE ARE
INDIVIDUALS.
IF I'M READING THIS CORRECT,
YOU SHOULD REMIND US THE NUMBER
OF INDIVIDUALS WAITING FOR
ASSISTANCE THAT ARE NOT GETTING
ASSISTANCE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
SCALE THE LEAD ADEQUATELY.
THAT IS GOING TO CREATE A HUGE
TRUST PROBLEM WITH THE PUBLIC
AND WITH OFFICERS WHO HAVE
BEGUN TO REFER MORE AND MORE
BUT NOT ABLE TO REFER TO SOME
DO WITHOUT US FILLING THOSE
POSITIONS.
I WANT TO UNDERSTAND THAT AND
CAN YOU REMIND US OF THE GAP
YOU CURRENTLY SEE.
>> THIS GAP IS PEOPLE WHO
WERE PRIORITIZED AND CLEARED
THROUGH AND WE HAVE REALIZED
THERE IS NOWHERE TO PUT THEM.
SO NOW AS YOU READ IN THE PIECE
THIS MORNING, WHAT IS HAPPENING
IS THE REFERRALS ARE NOT BEING
MADE BECAUSE IT IS POINTLESS TO
MAKE A REFERRAL TO NOWHERE.
THEY ARE ON A WEIGHT LIST FOR
CASE MANAGEMENT.
AND WE DON'T EXPECT OFFICERS TO
CONTINUE ON FETAL BEHAVIOR AND
THAT WILL BE UNTIL WE CAN OFFER
A GENUINE RESPONSE.
THEY WILL DO SOMETHING WITH
THOSE FOLKS WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER
THEM.
>> I WANT TO REITERATE WHAT
YOU SAID TWICE ALREADY.
THE PROGRAM IS DESIGNED TO
REDUCE CRIME.
AND IT IS A PROBLEM WE CAN
SOLVE.
>> THE LAST SLIDE IS SOME
OBSERVATIONS THAT I'M NOT SURE
ARE UNIVERSALLY KNOWN ABOUT THE
ASSETS THAT LEAD HAS AND CAN
OFFER THE CITY.
EVERYONE IS FOND OF THE CONCEPT
OF SOCIAL WORKERS SHARING
INFORMATION WITH POLICE AND
PROSECUTORS AND IT EXISTS
UNIQUELY IN LEAD AND THIS
SISTER PROGRAM.
THIS IS BECAUSE OF A RELEASE OF
INFORMATION ARRANGEMENT WITH
CLIENT SEND INFORMATION AND
SHARING INFORMATION AS NEEDED
TO STRATEGIZE WHAT HAPPEN.
THE CASE MANAGERS ARE NOT
REQUIRED TO SHARE THE
INFORMATION.
SO TO KEEP THAT INFORMATION
GOING AN ACCURATE, REALTIME
INFORMATION ABOUT THE STRUGGLES
PEOPLE ARE HAVING, THERE ARE
RELAPSES.
EVERYONE INVOLVED HAS TO
OPERATE IN AN ENVIRONMENT WHERE
THAT WILL NOT BLOWBACK ON
SOMEBODY IN THE PROSECUTORS,
THE POLICE AND THE CASE
MANAGERS IN LEAD HAVE EVOLVED
REALLY REMARKABLY WITHHOLDING
THE TRUST SO PROSECUTORS HAVE
GOOD INFORMATION AND POLICE
HAVE GOOD INFORMATION.
AND CLIENTS DON'T FEEL LIKE
THEY GOT BURNED BY SHARING
THAT.
IT IS USED TO PLAN, COORDINATE
AND STRATEGIZE BASED ON
ACCURATE INFORMATION.
THIS IS UNIQUE SO WHEN WE TALK
ABOUT THAT, IT IS NOT A MODEL
THAT OCCURS NATURALLY AND
OUTSIDE OF THE FRAMEWORK.
THE LEAD DATABASE, THIS IS AN
ALMOST REAL CREATURE.
MICROSOFT, WITH MANY OF YOU
MADE A CONTRIBUTION TO FUND
THIS.
THIS WILL ALLOW EVERY OFFICER
IN SPD, WHEN THEY ENCOUNTER
SOMEBODY IN THE FIELD TO KNOW
IF THEY ARE IN LEAD AND IF THEY
ARE, HAVE AN IMMEDIATE ACTION
PLAN THAT IS AN ALTERNATIVE TO
ARREST AND BOOKING AND IS A
WARM HANDOFF TYPE OF RESPONSE.
AND CAN ALLOW THIS THROUGH THE
RECORD SYSTEM IF THAT
FUNCTIONALITY GETS TURNED ON.
IT IS SUPER EXCITING AND WILL
ALLOW US TO PRODUCE DATA
REPORTS AT THE PUSH OF A BUTTON
AND ALL THE GOVERNING PARTNERS
INCLUDING YOURSELVES WOULD BE
ABLE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE THESE LEASED FIELD
OFFICES IN THREE NEIGHBORHOODS.
THESE HAVE BEEN IMPORTANT TO
CASE MANAGERS BUT ALSO TO
OFFICERS THAT WANT A PLACE TO
IMMEDIATELY BRING PEOPLE, OR
REFER PEOPLE.
THERE ARE FOLKS THAT JUST WON'T
GO TO THE REACH OFFICE WHICH IS
ALSO BURSTING AT THE SEAMS.
WE HAVE A STRUCTURED AND A
GREAT PARTNERSHIP BETWEEN
PEOPLE THAT DON'T OTHERWISE
WORK TOGETHER THAT WORKS
EXCEEDINGLY WELL AND WHERE
TRUST AND COMMUNICATION HAVE
BEEN ESTABLISHED.
LEAD IS A KNOWN QUANTITY THAT
HAS IDENTIFIED FUNDING STREAMS
THAT POTENTIALLY SEATTLE COULD
ADD ON TO THE LOCAL INVESTMENT,
NOT TO FULLY SOLVE OUR PROBLEMS
AND AUGMENT WHAT THE CITY
COMMITS.
AND FINALLY, IT IS AN EVIDENCE-
BASED INTERVENTION AND THAT IS
NOT SOMETHING THAT RAPIDLY CAN
BE ACHIEVED.
THAT IS TO THE TUNE OF A HALF-
MILLION DOLLARS.
WE ARE COMMITTED TO ONGOING
EVALUATION AND THERE IS A PLAN
TO CONTINUOUSLY UPDATE OUR
RECIDIVISM EVALUATION TO MAKE
SURE THE CRIME REDUCTION
CONTINUES TO BE ACHIEVED.
>> IN ORDER FOR HIM IS TO
REDUCE AS YOU HAVE BEEN TALKING
ABOUT AND WE SEE YOUR NUMBERS
AND WHAT YOU BELIEVE THE AMOUNT
OF RESOURCES ARE THAT YOU NEED
TO BE SUCCESSFUL TO RESPOND TO
THE REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL
CAPACITY ACROSS THE CITY AND
THE COUNTY, WHAT WOULD YOU
SPEND THE MONEY ON THAT WOULD
BE THE MOST EFFECTIVE?
>> OVERWHELMINGLY, WHAT IS
NEEDED NOW IS ADDITIONAL CASE
MANAGEMENT UNITS SO FOR EVERY
25 ACTIVE CLIENTS AND
POTENTIALLY EVERY 50 REFERRALS,
THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW CASE
MANAGER.
AT SOME POINT, THE VOLUME, I
SHOULD LET CHLOE AND RANDY
ADDRESSES, NEEDS TO BE
SUPPORTED BY A TRAINING
COORDINATOR AND SOME ADDITIONAL
SUPERVISORY STAFF.
>> AND AS YOU DIVE INTO THIS,
IS THERE A NEED FOR MORE PLACES
FOR YOU TO DIVERT?
SO YOU HAVE SOMEBODY THAT IS
BEING REFERRED BY A POLICE
OFFICER AND THEY GET THE CASE
MANAGEMENT THAT THEY NEED BUT
THEN WHAT?
IF YOU DON'T MIND RESPONDING TO
ALL OF THAT SYSTEM APPROACH.
>> I WILL.
AND BRANDY WILL SPEAK ABOUT
INTERNAL NEEDS.
I WOULD SAY FOR IN TERMS OF
COMMUNITY IMPACT, WE ARE
INCREDIBLY RESOURCEFUL IN TERMS
OF ACCESSING THE HOMELESS
SERVICE SYSTEMS SO WE HAVE THE
ABILITY TO DO APPROPRIATE
REFERRALS TO ALL OF THE
IMMEDIATE SHELTERS AND THE TINY
HOME VILLAGES.
AND ACTUALLY AS POINTED OUT, WE
HAVE BEEN VERY SUCCESSFUL AT
ACQUIRING HOUSING EVEN THROUGH
COORDINATED ENTRY AND UP TO
THOSE OPPORTUNITIES.
AS WE KNOW, ALL THE
OPPORTUNITIES ARE STILL NOT TO
SCALE AND NOT ADEQUATE TO SERVE
OUR FOLKS BUT WE ARE
RESOURCEFUL IN THEM.
THE PIECE THAT WE WILL ADD AND
CONTRIBUTE TO THE COMMUNITIES
IS OPENING THESE THREE OFFICES
WHICH I SEE IN COMMUNITIES THAT
ARE SERVICED AS HER.
ONE IS NORTH AT AURORA AND ONE
IS IN SODO WHICH HAS NO PUBLIC
RESTROOMS IN THE WHOLE
NEIGHBORHOOD.
WE WILL CREATE SPACES THAT ARE
ACCESSIBLE AND BRING PEOPLE
INSIDE AND ALLOW THEM TO
ENGAGE.
WE KNOW THAT WHEN PEOPLE ARE
OUTSIDE AND DISTRACTED BY THEIR
CHAOTIC LIVES, IT IS A VERY
CHALLENGING PLACE TO MAKE A
REALISTIC DECISION AND CHOICE.
SO EVEN JUST HAVING SPACES
INSIDE, THOSE SPACES WILL
REQUIRE STAFFING AND RESOURCES.
A WARM CUP OF COFFEE AND A
HUMAN BEING THAT ANSWERS THE
DOOR AND HELPS TO REFERRALS
EVERY DAY.
SO THAT JUST REQUIRES SOME
RESOURCES.
>> IS THIS AN 8:00 UNTIL 5:00
DEAL OR WILL YOU TRY TO EXPAND
TO THE HOURS?
>> WE DON'T KNOW YET.
IT DEPENDS ON THE FUNDS.
RIGHT NOW IT WOULD BE SKELETAL.
THE OFFICES WOULD PROBABLY NOT
BE STAFFED 24/7.
BUT LEAD IS A 24/7 RESPONSE AT
THIS POINT.
>> IDEALLY, THE CURRENT
BELLTOWN OFFICE WHICH IS
OVERWHELMED IS 8:30 UNTIL 4:30
ON MOST DAYS.
I WELCOME ANYBODY TO COME AT
ANY GIVEN MOMENT.
ALL TRYING TO COME IN AND OUT
OF THE SPACE AND ACCESS TO
GROUPS AND THERAPY AND MENTAL
HEALTH PROVIDERS.
WE HAVE REAL OPPORTUNITY TO
CREATE HEALTH SPACES FOR PEOPLE
THAT ARE ACTIVELY USING AND
HAVE MENTAL HEALTH CONDITIONS
WHERE THEY ACCESS HEALTH
SERVICES.
>> BRANDY, DO YOU WANT TO ADD
TO THAT?
>> OUR CASE MANAGERS ARE
WORKING WITH SOME OF THE MOST
WONDERFUL PEOPLE IN THE CITY.
ALL CLIENTS ARE NOT HOMELESS.
THE MAJORITY OF CLIENTS HAVE
BEEN ON HOUSE FOR MORE THAN TWO
EPISODES IN THEIR LIFE.
CHRONIC SUBSTANCE USE AND A LOT
OF MENTAL HEALTH AND MEDICAL
ISSUES AND THEY COME FROM
PLACES WHERE THEY HAVE
GENERATIONAL POVERTY AND
SUBSTANCE USE.
AND THEN THE LEAD PARTICIPANTS
OF COLOR HAVE BEEN IMPACTED BY
THE WAR ON DRUGS AND HAVE BEEN
DEHUMANIZING.
SO BY THE TIME THEY REACH CASE
MANAGERS, THEY HAVE EXPERIENCED
MANDATORY SENTENCING, RACIAL
BIAS AND HOUSING AND
UNDERINSURED MENTAL HEALTH, AND
HEALTH SERVICES.
FOR THOSE PARTICIPANTS AND ALL
THE PARTICIPANTS, MOVING AT THE
SPEED OF TRUST IS PIVOTAL TO
THE WORK AND BUILDING THOSE
RELATIONSHIPS TO EVEN MAKE
INCREMENTAL CHANGE TO GET TO
THEIR GOALS.
YOU ASK QUESTIONS ABOUT THE
CASELOAD AND WHAT HAPPENED TO
THOSE FOLKS THAT DON'T GET
CONNECTED TO SERVICES.
WE TALK ABOUT THE CASELOADS, WE
HAVE TO IMPLEMENT SOME
STRATEGIES TO DEAL WITH THOSE
THINGS.
AND SO SOME OF OUR CASE
MANAGERS UNFORTUNATELY ARE
ACROSS PRECINCTS AND WORKING 2-
3 PRECINCTS TO MAKE THAT
HAPPEN.
WE ARE LEVERAGING ALL OF THE
RECENTLY SOURCES CHLOE JUST
TALKED ABOUT.
WE ARE UTILIZING THE OUTREACH
COORDINATOR IS TO DO SOME LIGHT
CASE MANAGEMENT UNTIL WE CAN
GET THEM TO A CASE MANAGER.
IT REALLY IMPACTS THE CARE
COORDINATION.
WE MEET PEOPLE WHERE THEY ARE
LITERALLY AND FIGURATIVELY.
WE ARE UNDER BRIDGES AND
STOREFRONT, DOORWAYS,
ENCAMPMENTS.
PEOPLE WELCOME US INTO THEIR
ENVIRONMENT SO WE CAN GET TO
KNOW THEM AND BUILD
RELATIONSHIPS AND FIGURE OUT
WHAT WILL MOTIVATE THEM TO MOVE
TOWARD THE GOALS THEY WANT TO
REACH.
SO HAVING AN ADEQUATE ENOUGH
TIME TO BUILD RELATIONSHIPS AND
REALLY DO THAT CARE
COORDINATION IS PIVOTAL.
YOU CAN'T DO THAT WHEN YOU HAVE
A CASELOAD OF OVER 40 PEOPLE.
ESPECIALLY PEOPLE SUFFERING
FROM SEVERE AND PERSISTENT
MENTAL ILLNESS.
SOMETIMES WE HAVE HAD PEOPLE BE
WITH THEM ALL DAY JUST TO MOVE
THEM ALONG THE CONTINUUM AND
MOVE THEM INTO THOSE THINGS.
AND ADVOCATING FOR HOUSING
ESPECIALLY.
IT IS A FULL-TIME JOB TO WORK
THROUGH THE COORDINATED ENTRY
SYSTEM TO GET SOMEBODY HOUSED.
THE OTHER IMPACTS OF MY STAFF
THAT KEEPS ME UP AT NIGHT EVERY
NIGHT IS THE IMPACT TO
SECONDARY TRAUMA.
MANY STAFF MEMBERS COME TO THIS
WORK BECAUSE THEY LOVE THE
WORK.
THERE IS SOME CONNECTION TO THE
WORK.
WHY THEY ARE THERE AND
COMMITTED.
AND MAKING SURE NOBODY FALLS TO
THE CRACK.
ON A DAILY BASIS, THEY ARE
WORKING WITH PEOPLE WHO ARE
EXPERIENCING STREET VIOLENCE,
SUICIDE, DRUG OVERDOSE, SEXUAL
ASSAULT.
AND STILL HAVE TO NAVIGATE THE
SYSTEM AND THAT MIGHT BE
MULTIPLE TIMES IN A DAY.
AND TO THINK THAT WE DON'T HAVE
THE TEAM AROUND THEM TO SUPPORT
THEM IN DOING THAT WORK,
DEFINITELY SCARES ME.
AND WHEN WE TALK ABOUT SYSTEMS
CHANGE, WE ARE ALL IN THIS THE
úWORK FROM THE INSIDE OUT AND I
IS SLOW.
IT IS SO SLOW THAT IT IS
SOMETIMES HEARTBREAKING.
WHEN CASE MANAGERS FEEL LIKE
NOTHING IS HAPPENING AND THE
COMMUNITIES ARE OVERWHELMED
WITH ISSUES OF HOMELESSNESS AND
SUBSTANCE USE, IT FEELS LIKE WE
ARE MOVING MORE TOWARD
COMPLIANCE MODELS AND MORE AWAY
FROM HARM REDUCTION.
WE ARE LOSING COMPASSION FOR
THE PEOPLE SUFFERING THE MOST
IN THE COMMUNITIES AND THE CASE
MANAGERS CARRY THOSE STORIES.
WE GO WITH THE MODEL.
AND I KNOW I MIGHT NOT HAVE IT
CORRECT.
WE BELIEVE WHOLEHEARTEDLY THAT
OUR PEOPLE ARE NOT THE WORST
THEY HAVE EVER DONE.
AND SOMETIMES WE ARE THE ONLY
PEOPLE ADVOCATING FOR THEM IN
PARTNERSHIP WITH LAW
ENFORCEMENT.
SO IT IS A HEAVY BURDEN TO
CARRY WHEN YOU KNOW THERE ARE
FOLKS OUT THERE THAT HAVE BEEN
REFERRED AND WE ARE NOT ABLE TO
BRING SERVICES.
RINNE WE WORK WITH PEOPLE WHO
HAVE THE MOST LEGAL INVOLVEMENT
AND THE MOST VULNERABILITY.
THAT IS WHO WE GO FOR FIRST.
THE OTHER FOLKS STILL NEED HELP
AND STILL NEED SERVICES
ATTACHED TO THEM.
>> I'M GOING TO CALL ON
COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT, O'BRIEN,
HERBOLD.
BEFORE IRAN DOWN THE LINE, AND
I'M TRYING TO KEEP TRACK OF
TIME A LITTLE BETTER THEN I
SOMETIMES DO.
MY LAST QUESTION TO YOU AND I
WILL HAVE EVERYONE ELSE ASK.
THIS IS FOR YOU, DAN AND LISA.
UNDERSTANDING THE GOAL OF THIS
PROGRAM IS TO REDUCE CRIME
THROUGH A HARM REDUCTION MODEL.
I ALSO WOULD LOVE TO HAVE YOU
RESPOND OF HOW WE BUILD AND
RETAIN THE TRUST OF THE
COMMUNITY THAT SEES THE SECOND
PART OF SCOTLAND'S THE'S REPORT
YESTERDAY AND THINKS THAT
EVERYTHING IS UP IN THE AIR.
THAT WILL BE THE LAST QUESTION.
I JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU TIME
TO THINK ABOUT IT.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
I'M NOT SURE WHICH DAY IT WAS
BUT LAST WEEK, WE HAD A
MARATHON PRESENTATION AND ONE
OF THE PRESENTATIONS INCLUDED
THE JUDGE FROM THE SEATTLE
MENACE OF THE COURT.
THAT WAS FRIDAY.
DID YOU HAVE A CHANCE TO CATCH
THE SEATTLE MENACE BOOK COURT
PRESENTATION.
>> WE HAVE TWO JUDGES IN THE
FRONT ROW.
>> EXCELLENT.
I DON'T RECOGNIZE FACES SO I
THINK IT WAS DIFFERENT FOLKS.
I HEARD YOU SPEAK AT THE
MICROPHONE AND THEN THERE WAS
THE OTHER JUDGE AT THE TABLE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE TALKED
ABOUT WAS THE FOUR PILOT
PROGRAMS THAT THE MAYOR
SUGGESTED COULD REDUCE
RECIDIVISM.
ONE, SHE IS CALLING ENHANCED
PROBATION.
AND IT WAS ARTICULATED THAT
THERE NEEDED TO BE A NEW
PROGRAM DESIGNED BECAUSE, AND I
BELIEVE THE PHRASE WAS, 168
INDIVIDUALS CANNOT BE HELPED BY
LEAD, COULDN'T BE REACHED BY
LEAD.
I WANT TO ASK YOU IF, GIVEN THE
CHART WE JUST LOOKED UP BEFORE,
THE NUMBER OF INDIVIDUALS ON
THE WAITING LIST TO BE SERVED
BY LEAD, DO YOU THINK THERE IS
ANY CROSSOVER WITH THESE 168
INDIVIDUALS THAT POTENTIALLY
COULD ABSOLUTELY BE SERVED BY
LEAD, HAD WE HAD ENOUGH CASE
MANAGEMENT AND RESOURCES
DIRECTED TO LEAD?
>> REALLY IMPORTANT.
WHEN THE FIRST SCOTLAND'S
REPORT CAME OUT THIS SPRING
WITH THE LIST OF 100 PEOPLE,
THE REACH TEAM DID AN ANALYSIS
OF THE LIST AND FOUND THAT OF
THE 400 PEOPLE WE HAVE ACTIVELY
WORKED WITH SINCE 2011, ALMOST
ALL OF WHOM AT THE POINT OF
REFERRAL WERE PROLIFIC
OFFENDERS.
THAT IS WHY THEY WERE REFERRED.
OFFICERS HAD KNOWN THEM FOR
YEARS, HAD ARRESTED THEM SCORES
OF TIMES.
AND OF THE GROUP OF 400, ONLY
2% WERE ON THE LIST.
NOT BECAUSE LEAD IS NOT A
RESPONSE TO THE GROUP BECAUSE
THEY ARE AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE
TO THE GROUP.
BECAUSE OF THE ENGAGEMENT AND
THE COORDINATION WE SEE OVER
TIME, REDUCTION IN PROBLEMATIC
BEHAVIOR.
I WILL SAY, NOT FOR EVERY
SINGLE PERSON ON THE LIST OF
100.
HERE WAS A ONE PERSON W
LONGTIME LEAD PARTICIPANT.
HONESTLY, NO ONE HAS FIGURED
OUT AN EFFECTIVE RESPONSE TO
THAT ONE PERSON.
NOT JUST LEAD. LEAD IS A
CONTAINER FOR ALMOST ANY
INTERVENTION.
PEOPLE WHO ARE IN LEAD DO GET
ARRESTED AGAIN.
THEY GET BOOKED AND PROSECUTED.
IT DOES NOT PRECLUDE THE OTHER
STRATEGIES.
THAT LADY HAD BEEN TO PRISON
AND SHE HAD BEEN ON A DRUG
OFFENDER SENTENCE.
EVERYBODY HAD TRIED EVERYTHING
AND SHE IS STILL DOING WHAT SHE
DOES.
SHE IS THE ONLY ONE OF THE 400
PEOPLE WHO WAS STILL IN THE
STATE SHOWING UP ON THAT LIST.
SCOTT DID NOT LOOK AT ALL THE
PROLIFIC OFFENDERS.
THERE ARE A FEW MORE PEOPLE
LIKE THAT ON THE LEAD CASELOAD.
IN GENERAL, THIS STRATEGY
ESSENTIALLY WORKS WITH PEOPLE
WHO WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE
PROLIFIC OFFENDER LIST AND
ACHIEVED A SHIFT IN
TRANSFORMATION OVER TIME
THROUGH BOTH THE INCREDIBLE
CARE AND THERAPEUTIC ENGAGEMENT
BY REACH BUT ALSO BECAUSE IT
FACILITATES SMART JUSTICE.
IT FACILITATES PROSECUTORS AND
POLICE BEING ABLE TO TALK ABOUT
WHETHER IT MAKES SENSE TO DO A
THING THEY HAVE EVERY LEGAL
AUTHORITY TO DO BUT IT WOULD
INADVERTENTLY IN THE ORDINARY
COURSE OF BUSINESS IMPLODE
SOMEBODY'S HOUSING STRATEGY.
SO IT IS REALLY ALL THE PIECES.
THE ROLE OF LEAD IN ALL CASES,
DO THE THING YOU HAVE THE
AUTHORITY TO DO THAT MAKES THE
MOST SENSE UNDER THE
CIRCUMSTANCES AND IS THE MOST
LIKELY TO ACHIEVE BEHAVIOR
CHANGE.
SO I WOULD JUST SAY THAT I
THINK THE EVIDENCE IS VERY
CLEAR THAT LEAD IS AN EFFECTIVE
INTERVENTION FOR THAT GROUP AND
IT IS NOT TO SAY THAT WE HAVE
ALL THE PIECES.
WE DON'T HAVE ACCESS TO HOUSING
AS AS NEEDED AND APPROPRIATE.
THERE IS NO SUPER EFFECTIVE
INTERVENTION TREATMENT FOR AND
METHAMPHETAMINES USED.
SO THERE ARE PIECES WE ARE
PUSHING FOR OUTSIDE THE CORE OF
CASE MANAGEMENT.
CASE MANAGEMENT OPENS WITH,
WHAT WAS SCENE WAS THAT CASE
MANAGEMENT ALONE DOES
REMARKABLY BETTER THAN THE
SYSTEM DOES.
THAT DOES NOT MEAN WE HAVE
REACHED THE CEILING OF HOW WELL
WE CAN DO BUT THERE IS NOT MUCH
OF A CASE FOR NOT USING THIS
PIECE.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR BAGSHAW.
SORT OF AN OBSERVATION.
I APPRECIATE EVERYBODY
ADVOCATING PASSIONATELY FOR THE
LEAD PROGRAM.
AND I APPRECIATE ALL THE POINTS
EVERYBODY HAS MADE INCLUDING
DAN SATTERBERG AND BRANDY, YOUR
PASSION AS A DIRECTOR.
IT IS VERY CLEAR.
JUST TO EMPHASIZE THE POINT,
LISA YOU MADE IT ALREADY WHICH
IS THAT, THERE IS NO CASE TO
NOT HAVE THE LEAD PROGRAM
EXPANDED EVEN IF IT IS JUST
SIMPLY OFFERING THE BARE
MINIMUM.
HOWEVER, IN ORDER FOR IT TO
ACTUALLY WORK AND THE WAY IT
WOULD BE INTENDED AND THE
HOLISTIC WAY IT IS INTENDED, WE
DO NEED SERVICES AND HOUSING TO
BE ACCESSIBLE TO THE CASE
MANAGERS.
WE NEED FUNDING FOR THE CASE
MANAGERS.
IF THE CASE MANAGERS DON'T HAVE
ANYTHING TO REFER THE PEOPLE
TO, THEN ALSO THE PROGRAM FALLS
SHORT.
SO I JUST WANTED TO ADD TO THE
DISCUSSION OF HOW THE DATA,
WHICH I'M SURE YOU ARE BEING
EXPERTS KNOW ABOUT, BUT TO
SHARE WITH EVERYBODY TWO
THINGS.
THE MOST RECENT INFORMATION
THAT HAS COME FROM THE STUDY OF
THE CEASE-FIRE POLICE PROGRAM
IN OAKLAND AND THE REST OF THE
BAY AREA WHERE THEY FOUND A
SPECIFIC PROGRAM TARGETED TO
REDUCE GUN HOMICIDE AND
STUNNING RESULTS.
60% REDUCTION IN GUN HOMICIDE.
AND WHAT IS REMARKABLE IS THE
BEST RESULTS ACTUALLY WERE
OBSERVED IN THE MOST
DISADVANTAGED COMMUNITIES BY
LOW INCOME, MOSTLY MINORITY AND
BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS AND HOW
IMPACTFUL THAT WAS.
>> THE OTHER THING I WANTED
TO SHARE ALSO WAS, AND I'M
AGAIN SURE YOU ALL KNOW, IS THE
PROGRAM FOR THE WORK AND GAIN
EDUCATION EMPLOYMENT AND SKILLS
WHICH SHOW THE EARLY RESULTS OF
THE PROGRAM AND SHOWS THE
RECIDIVISM RATE OF THE WAGES
PROGRAM IS 2.5%.
IT IS INCREDIBLY LOW AND
INCREDIBLY SUCCESSFUL.
JUST TO DRAW THE LINE ON THE
SUCCESS OF THESE PROGRAMS AND
HOW IT HAS DEPENDED ON THE FACT
THAT THERE HAVE BEEN THINGS TO
REFER TO.
ESPECIALLY HOUSING.
BUT ALSO JOBS.
>> FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU
FOR BEING HERE AND FOR THE
EDUCATION I HAVE RECEIVED OVER
MY 10 YEARS HERE ON WHAT WORKS
AND WHAT DOESN'T WORK.
THE COLLABORATION THAT YOU HAVE
DISCUSSED, AND I KNOW THIS HAS
TAKEN DECADES OF A LOT OF
PEOPLE TO GET THERE.
IT IS REALLY AN AMAZING THING.
I DIDN'T WANT TO UNDERSCORE THE
POINT YOU MADE A MINUTE AGO
WHICH IS, USING THE EXISTING
SYSTEM AND THAT LEVEL OF
COLLABORATION AND COORDINATION,
THAT ALONE MAKES A SIGNIFICANT
IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING
SYSTEM WHICH I KNOW IS NOT EASY
TO DO.
I HAVE BEEN HEARING FOR SOME
TIME, AS WE CONTINUE TO PUT
PRESSURE, WITH A COUNCIL
PUTTING PRESSURE.
WE WANT MORE OF THIS AND MORE
OF THE NEIGHBORHOODS AND WE
WANT TO SEE MORE OPPORTUNITIES
FOR MORE REFERRALS.
AND WE HAVE BEEN HEARING THAT
ALL THE SYSTEM SEEMS TO BE
WORKING TOWARD THAT GOAL AND IN
PARTICULAR, I WANT TO GIVE
CREDIT FOR THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT, FROM THE TOP TO THE
BOTTOM.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MORE
AND MORE OFFICERS ARE
UNDERSTANDING THE BENEFITS OF
THE SYSTEM AND ARE ACTIVELY
PARTICIPATING AND I IMAGINE
WHEN THE PROGRAM STARTED, THERE
WAS A LITTLE MORE RELUCTANCE,
WHICH IS GREAT TO SEE.
AND I ALSO HAVE BEEN HEARING,
THE HUMAN SERVICE IS FACING
THAT IT IS HARD TO RETAIN
QUALITY PEOPLE AT THE WAGES YOU
ARE FUNDED TO PAY.
AND AS A CRISIS CONTINUES, AS
THESE CRISES GET BIGGER, THE
SYSTEM IS GETTING OVERWHELMED.
I HAVE BEEN LIVING IN FEAR OF,
WHAT DOES THAT MEAN.
AND A LACK OF BEING ABLE TO
MOBILIZE RESOURCES THAT I THINK
ARE NECESSARY TO MEET THE
DEMAND.
I HAVE BEEN HAVING MY FINGERS
CROSSED THAT I HOPE EVERYONE
CAN PICK UP A COUPLE MORE
PEOPLE AND WORK A LITTLE LONGER
ON THE WEEKEND PROBABLY WITHOUT
PAY.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT WILL JUST WE
WILL ALL TRY A LITTLE HARDER.
úI KNOW TO SOME EXTENT, THAT CA
WORK FOR A LITTLE BIT.
I AM GETTING THE SENSE THAT WE
ARE GETTING TO THE POINT WHERE
THAT PRESSURE WILL COLLAPSE THE
SYSTEM.
READING THIS TODAY WAS SO
DISTURBING BECAUSE I HAVE BEEN
TO A HANDFUL OF EVENTS, WHETHER
THEY ARE FUNDRAISING OR TOWN
HALLS IN MY CAREER ON THE CITY
COUNCIL TO HEAR ABOUT WHAT WE
SHOULD BE DOING ABOUT
PROSTITUTION AND WHO ARE THE
VICTIMS AND WHO ARE THE
CRIMINALS IN THIS.
I HAVE BEEN EDUCATED TO
UNDERSTAND THAT LARGELY WOMEN
ON THE STREET IN THE SEX TRADE
ARE VICTIMS IN THIS SYSTEM.
NOT THE CRIMINALS.
AND IT IS AMAZING TO KNOW THAT
OUR PROSECUTORS AND OUR COPS
ALL UNDERSTAND THE REALITY.
IT IS NOT AN EASY THING TO PULL
OFF I IMAGINE IN OTHER CITIES.
AND TO READ THAT FOR LACK OF
ANYTHING BETTER TO DO, DESPITE
WHAT EVERYONE KNOWS, WE HAVE
REVERTED TO THE OLD SYSTEM.
AND THAT IS CRUSHING TO ME.
I LOOK AT THAT PARTICULAR SLICE
OF THE POPULATION WE ARE
WORKING WITH AN I SEE THREE
PATHS.
THE WORST PATH IS TO DO WHAT
APPARENTLY WE ARE STARTING TO
DO AGAIN AND WE ARE GOING TO
ARREST THESE VICTIMS AND NO IT
IS NOT GOING TO SOLVE A
PROBLEM.
IT MAY DIVERT THEM FROM THEIR
ACTIVITY FOR A WEEK OR TWO BUT
WON'T MAKE A LONG-TERM
SOLUTION.
THEY WILL DO ALL SORTS OF
DAMAGE IN THE PROCESS.
THAT IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE WE
ARE HEADING TOWARD.
THE NEXT WORST THING, WHICH I
THINK IS THE DILEMMA, IS TO DO
NOTHING.
TO SAY WE ARE JUST GOING TO
ALLOW THIS BEHAVIOR TO GO ON
BECAUSE TAKING ACTION WHEN THE
ONLY OPTION THERE IS IS MORE
HARM, DOES NOT FEEL APPROPRIATE
EITHER SO WE WILL JUST DO MORE
HARM BECAUSE THAT IS A
RELUCTANT PLACE PEOPLE ARE IN.
AND IF WE ONLY HAD THOSE TWO
OPTIONS, I CAN UNDERSTAND WHY
PEOPLE IN DIFFERENT POSITIONS
MIGHT MAKE DIFFERENT DECISIONS.
THEY MAY FLIP THOSE AROUND.
WE HAVE A THIRD OPTION AND
EVERYBODY KNOWS IT WORKS.
AND THE ONLY REASON WE CAN'T DO
IT IS BECAUSE IN A CITY WITH
THE WEALTH THAT WE HAVE AND THE
BIG-BUDGET, WE HAVE NOT FIGURED
OUT HOW TO FUND THAT.
AND I THINK AS WE WORK THROUGH
THESE NEXT FOUR WEEKS OF
BUDGET, IT IS CRITICALLY
IMPORTANT THAT WE FIND WAYS TO
EXPAND THE SYSTEM TO MEET THE
DEMAND.
BECAUSE THE ALTERNATIVES ARE
HORRENDOUS.
THEY ARE HORRENDOUS FOR THE
REALITY WHETHER IT IS
BUSINESSES OR RESIDENTS
FRUSTRATED WITH CRIME.
THEY ARE HORRENDOUS FOR THE
NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL
RESPONSE. IF FOLKS WANT THIS
TO FAIL COULD POINT TO IT AND
SAY IT FAILED, NOT BECAUSE THE
PROGRAM DOESN'T WORK BUT
BECAUSE WE DID NOT FUND IT AT
THE SKILL NECESSARY.
WE CAN TAKE ONE OF THE FEW TOOLS
, THE FEW TOOLS WHERE WE HAVE
CLEAR EVIDENCE WE RESOLVE THE
VARIOUS CRISES THAT ARE BEING
FACED THAT DAY AND TAKE IT AWAY
FROM PEOPLE.
IT WOULD BE DEVASTATING.
I WANT TO LICK YOU ALL IN THE
EYE AND SAY THAT I WILL DO
WHATEVER I CAN TO FIND THE
RESOURCES NECESSARY.
IT WON'T BE EASY.
I CAN SAY THAT WE HAVE A HUGE
BUDGET.
AND I WILL TELL YOU THAT I
DON'T KNOW WHAT TO MOVE AROUND.
BUT WE HAVE TO SOLVE THIS.
IF THERE ARE ANY MORE DETAILS I
AM MISSING OR SPECIFICS ON
PROSTITUTION IN NORTH SEATTLE,
PLEASE EDUCATE ME.
I'M MOSTLY JUST MAKING A
COMMITMENT TO YOU ALL AND A
PLEA TO MY COLLEAGUES.
>> ABOUT AS ARTICULATE A
STATEMENT AND CONCLUSION AS I
CAN IMAGINE.
COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN, ONE MORE
QUESTION.
>> .
>> LARGE NUMBERS OF PEOPLE ON
THE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS LIST I
APPRECIATE MOSQUEDA ASKING THE
QUESTION.
AND MOVING FORWARD, THAT IS AN
ISSUE THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO
WEIGH.
AND WAVE THE LIKELY BENEFITS OF
MORE INVESTMENT ON SERVING
PEOPLE WHO ARE WAITING FOR
SERVICE.
YOU ARE ELIGIBLE FOR A PROGRAM
AND WHO WILL SUCCEED IN THE
PROGRAM VERSUS A PILOT PROJECT.
FOR FOLKS WITHOUT ANY SECURITY
OF RESULT IN OUTCOME AND A MORE
NARROW SLICE OF THE POPULATION.
>> WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
AURORA AND WE TALK ABOUT
CHALLENGE, I WANT TO SAY WE ARE
CHALLENGED IN THE RIGHT WAYS.
RECEPTIVE AND COLLABORATIVE.
SPD HAS CHANGED THEIR BEHAVIOR.
THEY UNDERSTOOD THAT REACH HAS
SINGLE PARENTS AND THEY HAVE TO
ARRANGE CHILDCARE TO RESPOND TO
OPERATIONS.
LAST MONTH THEY GAVE US 44
REFERRALS.
IF YOU REMEMBER TALKING ABOUT
THE ESTIMATE FOR NORTH
PRECINCT, IT WAS 50.
IT ENDED UP BEING 250 FOR THE
FIRST MONTH.
WE HAVE TO SAY NO TO THE AURORA
COMMONS WHO HAS IDENTIFIED
DOZENS OF INDIVIDUALS WHO MAY
NOT HAVE BEEN ON AURORA AT THIS
POINT.
WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT OTHER LAW
ENFORCEMENT BASES INTERACTING
WITH THESE POPULATIONS.
WE HAVE BEEN APPROACHED ABOUT
NAVIGATING UW AND THE PEOPLE ON
THE CAMPUS.
AND TALKING ABOUT PARKING
ENFORCEMENT BECAUSE THEY
UNDERSTAND WE ARE HAVING TO
UNDERS STOP OFFICERS FROM
INTERACTING WITH COMMUNITY OF
COLOR WHO ARE TRYING TO SNEAK
REFERRALS IN.
TALKING TO PEOPLE STEPPING ON
SOUTHWEST AND TRYING TO
CONVINCE OFFICERS WHY THEY
CAN'T DO REFERRALS ACROSS THE
WEST SEATTLE BRIDGE.
THE DEMAND WE ARE NOT PROPOSING
IN ANY OF THIS IS HUGE AND
REAL.
>> I WANTED TO THANK
COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN FOR
SHEDDING LIGHT ON THE ISSUE OF
PROSTITUTION.
SOME MORE ANECDOTAL INFORMATION
THAT FOR US IS REALLY HARD.
A MAJORITY OF THE REFERRALS ARE
YOUNG WOMEN OF COLOR, AFRICAN-
AMERICAN, UNDER THE AGE OF 25
WHO FELL THROUGH EVERY OTHER
SYSTEM AND THEY ARE SHOWING UP
HERE.
AND FOR IT TO SHIFT TO
PROSECUTING THESE VICTIMS,
THESE CHILDREN INSTEAD OF
PROVIDING THEM WITH SERVICES IS
DISHEARTENING.
IT IS HARD TO CARRY.
AND THOSE OF THE KINDS OF
THINGS THAT IMPACT MY STAFF IN
TERMS OF SECONDARY TRAUMA AND
BEING ABLE TO STAY IN THIS WORK
AT THE RATE WE ARE GOING NOW.
>> AND YOUR STATEMENT ABOUT
MOVING AT THE SPEED OF TRUST I
THINK IS SOMETHING FOR US TO
HOLD ON TO AND I RESPECT WHAT
ALL OF YOU HAVE DONE.
THE QUESTION THAT I LED THE TWO
OF YOU TO CONCLUDE WITH AND
TARA, THANK YOU FOR YOUR
THOUGHTFUL RESPONSE AS WELL
WHICH IS, HOW DO WE RETAIN AND
BUILD THE TRUST OF COMMUNITIES
SO THAT WE REMIND THEM THAT
THIS PROGRAM IS ONE TO REDUCE
CRIME.
THAT IS THE PURPOSE AND THE
INTENTION.
I WILL LEAVE IT TO THE TWO OF
YOU TO CONCLUDE.
>> I THINK THAT COMMUNITY
TRUST IS ESSENTIAL.
RIGHT NOW THERE IS A LOT OF
FRUSTRATION.
YOU GET IT AND I GET IT.
PEOPLE ARE UPSET AT THE
DISORDER THEY SEE VISIBLY IN
SOME PARTS OF TOWN.
IT DID NOT USED TO BE LIKE THIS
AND NOW IT IS WORSE THAN EVER.
WHAT PEOPLE WANT AND WHAT THEY
DESERVE AS A RESPONSE.
THE RESPONSE WE HAD INVOLVES
THE JAIL AND THE POLICE AND THE
COURTS.
BECAUSE THOSE THINGS HAVE BEEN
INVOLVED IN THIS IS A DIFFERENT
RESPONSE AND WE KNOW ONE THAT
WORKS BETTER.
IT IS IN DANGER OF BEING SUNK.
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STRATEGIES.
WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL STRATEGIES.
I DON'T TALK ABOUT SOLUTIONS
ANYMORE.
I THINK IT IS ARROGANT TO SAY
WE CAN SOLVE THIS.
I THINK THERE ARE STRATEGIES WE
CAN INVEST IN AND EVALUATE AND
DECIDE WHAT WORKS BETTER THAN
OTHERS.
SOME INVOLVE MORE PROBATION AND
MUNICIPAL COURT OR THE WEST
WING OF THE JAIL.
THE LEAD PROGRAM IS A STRATEGY
AND IT DESERVES TO BE FULLY
FUNDED AND FULLY EVALUATED AND
STACKED UP AGAINST THE OTHERS
TO SAY, WHICH OF THESE WORKS
BEST?
WHEN PEOPLE IN A THOUGHTFUL
MOMENT SAY, DO YOU THINK PEOPLE
ARE OVERREACTING IN SEATTLE?
I SAY I THINK WE ARE UNDER
REACTING.
WE ARE ASKING FOR MONEY BECAUSE
WE HAVE UNDER REACTED TO THE
SITUATION WE SEE IN THE
STREETS.
THERE IS NO SUGGESTION IT WILL
GET BETTER IF WE HAVE FLAT
FUNDING.
FLAT FUNDING ENDANGERS THE
COMMUNITY TRUST THAT WE NEED TO
PROVE THIS APPROACH WORKS.
>> LISA.
>> THIS IS SUCH A FUNDAMENTAL
QUESTION.
I'M REALLY PROUD THAT WHEN LEAD
LAUNCHED IN 2011, STANDING
BEHIND DAN AND THEN CHIEF DIAZ
AND THE OTHERS WHO WERE
LAUNCHING IT, THE BELLTOWN
BUSINESS ASSOCIATION AND THE
COMMUNITY COUNCIL, THIS PROGRAM
HAS ALWAYS, FROM DAY ONE, BEEN
A PARTNERSHIP OF TRUST AND
TRANSPARENCY WITH THE BUSINESS
AND NEIGHBORHOOD GROUPS THAT
HAVE TO BUY IN OR IT WON'T
WORK.
BECAUSE OF THE REACH APPROACH
AND THE APPROACH OF OUR PROJECT
MANAGEMENT TEAM, I'M CONFIDENT
THAT THOSE RELATIONSHIPS ARE AS
STRONG TODAY, ALMOST NINE YEARS
AND, AS THEY WERE WHEN WE FIRST
STARTED.
THOSE FOLKS ARE THE ULTIMATE
WITNESS TEST.
IT HAS TO WORK FOR THEM.
BECAUSE WE DO HOLD THOSE VALUES
DEAR.
WE ARE ABOUT CRIME REDUCTION
AND WE ARE ABOUT TRANSPARENCY
AND ACCOUNTABILITY.
THE FRIENDS OF THE WATERFRONT
IS TRYING TO SECURE THEIR OWN
LEAD CASE MANAGER NO MATTER
WHAT HAPPENS WITH THE BUDGET
BECAUSE THEY SO BELIEVE AS A
NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE EFFICACY
OF THIS APPROACH.
WE ARE 1000% COMMITTED TO BE
WITH THE SAME BUSINESSES THAT
BROUGHT YOU THE SYSTEM FAILURE
REPORTS.
AND WE ARE NOT WRONG ABOUT THE
DEGREE OF THE PROBLEM.
AND WE ARE TRYING TO BE HONEST
ABOUT THE SCALABLE SOLUTION
THAT FITS THAT PROBLEM AND IT
HAS TO BE RIGHT SIZED OR THE
FRUSTRATION WILL NOT END.
WE ARE A SIGNIFICANT
COORDINATION AND PARTNERSHIP
BETWEEN WHAT YOU SEE ON THE
SCREEN.
THIS IS NOT A PICTURE BRANDY
EXPECTED TO BE IN A FEW YEARS
THIS PARTNERSHIP, WHAT IT
REPRESENTS IS THE BACKBONE OF
THE WAY FORWARD.
AND IT DOES NOT MEAN PEOPLE IN
LEAD DON'T SHOW UP.
THERE IS A CALENDAR TO WORK
WITH THOSE FOLKS.
WHEN THEY SHOW UP, THE
PROSECUTOR SHOULD KNOW A LOT
MORE ABOUT THE CIRCUMSTANCES,
THE OPTIONS AND THE DAMAGE THEY
CAN DO INADVERTENTLY IF THEY
DID NOT HAVE THAT INFORMATION.
THIS APPROACH FEEDS ALL THE
OTHER PIECES.
JAIL DISCHARGE TO CASE
CONFERENCING.
LEAD IS AN IMPORTANT INGREDIENT
IN THE ECOSYSTEM NO MATTER WHAT
THE OTHER PIECES ARE.
>> COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL
HAS A QUESTION.
BEFORE HE SAYS IT, I WOULD
REALLY LIKE TO TRULY THANK YOU
FOR ALL OF YOUR WORK AND FOR
HAVING THE KING COUNTY
PROSECUTOR BEING ONE OF THE
LEADS.
IT SPEAKS VOLUME.
THANK YOU FOR THAT.
CONGRATULATIONS ON THE GOOD
ARTICLE YOU GOT FROM NICHOLAS
KRISTOF.
NOT OFTEN DO WE SHOW UP IN THE
NEW YORK TIMES WITH BEING
SOMETHING VERY POSITIVE.
WELL DONE ON THAT.
SO YOU TAKE US HOME.
>> I DON'T NEED TO BE
CONVINCED OF THE EFFECTS OF
LEAD.
I HOPE I HAVE BEEN A
PARTICIPANT AND A CHEERLEADER
SINCE DAY ONE.
GREAT WORK.
AND I LOVE THE STRATEGY.
WHAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE?
WHAT IS THE ASK?
WHAT DOLLARS ARE WE TRYING TO
ACHIEVE HERE?
>> IF YOU SEE, 2019 TOTAL
BUDGET, THIS IS THE SEATTLE
LEAD.
APPROXIMATELY 4.5 MILLION
NEEDED IN 2020 AT THAT
CONSERVATIVE PROJECTED REFERRAL
RATE OF 9.4 MILLION.
IT IS A LITTLE UNDER THE 5
MILLION-DOLLAR GAP.
AND WE DIDN'T STYLE THIS AS AN
ASK.
WE ARE HERE TO BE TRUTH TELLERS
AND TELL YOU WHAT THE SITUATION
IS.
WE ALL HAVE, WE WILL BE
PARTNERS IT WITH THE CITY AND
CLOSING THIS GAP.
IF THERE ARE OTHER RESOURCES,
WE WILL FIND THEM.
WE HAVE SOME IDEAS.
BUT THE OTHER RESOURCES ARE NOT
GOING TO COME ON BOARD WITHOUT
A COMMITMENT BY THE CITY TO GET
TO SCALE AND ASSUME PUBLIC
RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS OVER
TIME.
I THINK IT IS A MATCHING
SITUATION IF THERE IS OTHER
HELP.
SO PRESIDENT HARRELL, I THINK
SOMEHOW WE HAVE TO GET FROM THE
SECOND COLUMN TO THE THIRD
COLUMN AND IF THERE ARE OTHER
PIECES OF THE SOLUTION, WE WILL
WORK HARD TO BRING THEM TO THE
TABLE BUT WE KIND OF NEED TO
KNOW WHERE WE ARE GOING BEFORE
THE END OF THIS BUDGET PROCESS.
TO KNOW WHAT 2020 WILL LOOK
LIKE.
>> IT MIGHT BE THE IVY LEAGUE
EDUCATION TAKING IN.
I DID NOT HEAR IN ANSWER.
WHAT THEY TAUGHT US THAT UW, WE
HAVE ABOUT 9.3 MILLION DOLLAR
BIG.
THE CITY MAY BE TWO, THREE-ISH
BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING LISA
IS, THAT WE ARE JUST A THIRD,
IF THE CITY CAN COME UP WITH
AROUND A THIRD, THAT IS SORT
OF, IS AT THE BALLPARK?
>> 3.5 MILLION, NOT TO BE
RUDE.
>> SO TRULY, THIS GAP, WE
HAVE TO GET THERE.
AND CITY COMMITMENT TO DO THAT
WOULD BE A BIG PIECE AND
LEVERAGING ANYONE ELSE THAT
WILL HELP FOR SURE.
AND A PLAN TO GET TO SCALE OVER
A FEW YEARS WITH COMPLETE
PUBLIC SUPPORT CITY AND
COUNTY, IS THE OTHER INGREDIENT
FROM THE OTHER INVESTORS THAT
MIGHT HELP US TO GET TO THAT
NUMBER.
>> IS AT THE BALLPARK?
>> I THINK THAT WOULD BE
VIEWED BY ANYONE ELSE AS A
SERIOUS COMMITMENT.
>> ONE MORE QUICK
CLARIFICATION.
>> I APPRECIATE COUNCIL
PRESIDENT HARRELL'S LINE OF
QUESTIONING FOR WANTING US TO
MOVE ON.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTOOD.
YOU SAID THIS IS A CONSERVATIVE
ESTIMATE.
SO AN ADDITIONAL 4.58 MILLION
WOULD BE A CONSERVATIVE NUMBER.
IS IT MORE ACCURATE TO SAY THAT
YOU HOPE THAT THE PUBLIC
INVESTMENT FROM THE CITY WOULD
BE 4.58 MILLION SO THAT
ADDITIONAL DOLLARS COULD BE
LEVERAGED BY THE PRIVATE SECTOR
SO THAT YOU COULD ACTUALLY MEET
THE TRUE NEED, NOT A
CONSERVATIVE ESTIMATE.
>> RIGHT NOW WE ARE
UNQUESTIONABLY PROJECTING TO
TURN DOWN MANY REFERRALS OF
PEOPLE THAT QUALIFY FOR LEAD,
COMMIT CRIMES DUE TO BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH ISSUES AND WOULD BENEFIT
FROM THE INTERVENTION.
OBVIOUSLY THAT IS NOT OPTIMAL.
SO WHAT YOU SAID IS SORT OF THE
BEST CASE SCENARIO.
>> I APOLOGIZE I PUT YOU ON
THE SPOT.
THIS FOUR WEEKS WILL GO BY LIKE
THIS AND WE HAVE A LOT OF
QUESTIONS.
I'M JUST TRYING TO GET AN IDEA.
I'M NOT TRYING TO HOLD YOU TO
ANY NUMBER BUT TRYING TO GET A
FEEL.
BUT YOU HELPED ME.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
>> THANK YOU ALL FOR COMING.
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE THE NEXT
GROUP COME UP RIGHT AWAY.
>> FOR ALL OF YOU WHO ARE
HERE, THANK YOU.
WE HAD ASKED TO HAVE DAN
SATTERBERG AND LISA DAUGAARD
AND THE PROVIDERS AT THE TABLE
FIRST SO THEY COULD PREVENT
WHAT THEY BELIEVED WERE THE
STRONGEST ARGUMENTS FOR WHY WE
SHOULD FUND LEAD AND NOW WE
HAVE FOLKS FROM THE BUDGET
OFFICE, MAYOR'S OFFICE AND THE
POLICE DEPARTMENT TO TALK ABOUT
THE REALITIES OF WHAT THEY ARE
FACING.
AND I'M JUST GOING TO TURN IT
OVER AND START WITH THE NEW
KIDS.
THAT JUST ARRIVED.
WHY DON'T WE START DOWN HERE,
BEN BECAUSE YOU ARE USED TO
INTRODUCING YOURSELF.
>> CITY BUDGET DIRECTOR, BE
NO N OVAL.
>> TEST COLBY, MAYOR'S
OFFICE.
>> SEATTLE PD.
>> HEATHER AMAN, CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE.
I'M THE LEAD LIAISON
PROSECUTOR.
>> MARK GARTHGREEN, DEPUTY
CHIEF.
>> I WAS GOING TO PROVIDE YOU
SOME INFORMATION ON THE FUNDING
PROVIDED IN THE 2020 BUDGET.
YOU CAN SEE HERE SOME HISTORY
AS WELL.
AND THEN TURN IT OVER TO OTHERS
WHO ARE MORE EXPERT IN THE AREA
AND THEN ANSWER QUESTIONS AND
PROVIDE ADDITIONAL BACKGROUND.
AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE FROM THE
GRAPHIC HERE WHICH HIGHLIGHTS
FUNDING PROVIDED FOR LEAD FROM
BOTH KING COUNTY AND THE CITY
OF SEATTLE SINCE 2014.
I SHOULD NOTE THAT THESE
NUMBERS DON'T ALIGN WITH THE
NUMBERS YOU JUST SAW FROM LEAD
ITSELF.
IT INCLUDES SOME OF THE FUNDING
ON THE PUBLIC SIDE THAT
SUPPORTS THE WORK AS WELL.
SO IT IS A SLIGHTLY HIGHER
NUMBER.
SO THERE IS STAFF ON BOTH THE
COUNTY AND CITY SIDE.
>> ARE THEY IN THE BALLPARK?
>> YES.
IF YOU TRY TO LINE THEM UP
EXACTLY, THEY WON'T.
I JUST WANT YOU TO UNDERSTAND
WHY.
THE PATTERN OF THE GROWING
INVESTMENT AND GROWING
PARTNERSHIP IS THE POINT I
WANTED TO MAKE WITH THE GRAPH.
IT IS DEMONSTRABLE.
YOU CAN SEE FROM A RELATIVELY
SMALL INITIAL INVESTMENT OF
ROUGHLY A MILLION DOLLARS A
YEAR, THE OVERALL PROGRAM WILL
GO TO MORE THAN 6 MILLION IN
2020.
THE MATH IS LABELED
INCORRECTLY.
IT SAYS 605% GROWTH AND IT IS
505% GROWTH.
ONLY TO SAY THAT WE HAVE
OBVIOUSLY BEEN DEVELOPING AND
GROWING INTO PARTNERSHIPS
SIGNIFICANTLY OVER THE PAST SIX
PLUS YEARS.
A COUPLE OF THINGS TO NOTE.
ONE OF THE THINGS WE ARE
LOOKING FORWARD TO WAS ALREADY
REFERENCED AND THAT IS THE
IMPLEMENTATION OF THE DATABASE
COMING ON IN THE SPRING.
ONE OF THE THINGS THE
EXECUTIVES ARE LOOKING TO DO IS
DEVELOP MORE SPECIFIC
PERFORMANCE METRICS IN THIS
CONTRACT, GIVEN THE SCALE OF
THE LEVEL OF INVESTMENT, WE
THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO TRACK
ISSUES ABOUT REDUCED CRIME.
AND THE PRIMARY GOAL IS ABOUT
CRIME REDUCTION.
IT WAS NOTED THAT A FAIR SHARE
OF PARTICIPANTS ARE INTO THE
PROGRAM HOMELESS.
SO UNDERSTANDING WHETHER OR NOT
WE ARE SUCCESSFUL FINDING THEM
LONG-TERM STABLE HOUSING.
AND ALSO THE SUCCESS WE ARE
HAVING IN BOTH PLACING AND
MOVING THEM THROUGH DRUG AND
MENTAL HEALTH TREATMENT
SERVICES AND OTHER SERVICES AS
NEEDED.
THOSE ARE ALL THINGS THAT WE
THINK ARE IMPORTANT TO TRACK.
AND WITH THE DATABASE, WE THINK
WE WILL HAVE THAT AND THE
STRUCTURE OF A CONTRACT
OPPORTUNITY TO ESTABLISH
SPECIFIC METRICS AROUND THAT.
>> AND I WOULD JUST LIKE TO
SAY THANK YOU.
I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME
CONFUSION OVER MANY OF THE
YEARS THAT LEAD HAS BEEN AND
DEVELOPMENT.
CONFUSION ABOUT ITS PURPOSE
WHICH IS TO BE A CRIMINAL
JUSTICE REFORM TOOL TO REDUCE
CRIME AND IT GETS CONFLATED
WITH THE FACT THAT WE HAVE THAT
MANY MORE PEOPLE THAT ARE
REMAINING WITH OTHER 24/7
SHELTER WE ARE LOOKING FOR.
AND I THINK LEAD HAS BEEN
JUDGED IN TERMS OF HOW
EFFECTIVE IT IS.
I LIKE TO KEEP THOSE TWO
SEPARATE AS POSSIBLE.
AND THAT WE CAN DIVE INTO THAT.
SO IS THAT SUPPORTED BY THE
EXECUTIVE TO MAKE AN IMPACT?
>> AND TERMS OF THE FINANCES,
THE 2020 PROPOSED BUDGET
FOLLOWS THROUGH WITH THE
ENDORSED LEVEL OF FUNDING
APPROVED BY COUNCIL AND
CONTINUING TO GROW THE OVERALL
FUNDING LEVEL.
OBVIOUSLY YOU HEARD TODAY ABOUT
POTENTIAL OPPORTUNITIES TO
EXPAND THAT FURTHER.
SOME FOLKS AT THE TABLE WILL BE
ABLE TO SHED MORE LIGHT ON WHAT
THAT GROWTH MIGHT LOOK LIKE AND
WHAT COULD BE DRIVING IT.
THE OTHER THING I WANT TO NOTE
AND THIS WAS RAISED AND
CONSISTENT WITH THE
PRESENTATION LAST FRIDAY WITH
SOME OF THE INVESTMENTS AROUND
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THE
WORKGROUP.
AND I'M NOT A SUBJECT MATTER
EXPERT.
BUT SOME FOLKS ARE AND WERE AS
THEY WORK THROUGH THAT.
THE EXECUTIVE FIRMLY BELIEVES
THAT FOR DIFFERENT FOLKS, WE
NEED DIFFERENT STRATEGIES AND
LEAD WORKS FOR A GOOD NUMBER OF
FOLKS AND IN IMPORTANT WAYS.
THERE ARE ALSO FOLKS WHERE IT
DOES NOT WORK AND HAS NOT
WORKED IN THE PILOTS PROPOSED
IN THE CONTEXT OF THE
RECOGNITIONS ARE DESIGNED TO
SEE WHAT OTHER STRATEGIES CAN
WORK.
AND PROSECUTOR DAN SATTERBERG
MADE THAT POINT.
THAT LEAD IS VALUABLE AND IT IS
ONE OF MANY STRATEGIES.
AND TRYING OTHERS COULD BE BEST
FOR OTHER FOLKS AND THAT IS
ALSO WORTHWHILE.
THE BUDGET REFLECTS THAT NOTION
THAT WE NEED TO BE TRYING A
VARIETY OF STRATEGIES FOR THE
WIDE RANGE OF FOLKS
ENCOUNTERING ISSUES ON THE
STREET.
>> THANK YOU.
A COUPLE OF QUICK COMMENTS
BUILDING ON WHAT BEN JUST SAID.
PRESENTLY THE LEAD CONTRACT
SITS WITH HST.
AS WE TALKED ABOUT THIS
MORNING, HST HAS COMMITTED AND
úDOUBLED DOWN ON PERFORMANCE-
BASED CONTRACTS.
WE RECOGNIZE THAT THERE ARE
POTENTIALLY ISSUES WITHOUT.
WE THINK THAT THE DATA DRIVEN
INVESTMENTS, AND UNDERSTANDING
WHAT THE VALUE PROPOSITION IS
OF EVERYTHING WE ARE INVESTING
IN IS VERY IMPORTANT.
PROSECUTOR DAN SATTERBERG I
THINK MADE A VERY IMPORTANT
OBSERVATION WHICH IS SUBSTANCE
USE IS NOT A DISEASE AND FOR US
TO UNDERSTAND THE APPROPRIATE
INTERVENTIONS AND TO BE
SUCCESSFUL ADDRESSING SUBSTANCE
USE, WE NEED TO KNOW, AS HE
SAID, WHO IS GETTING HELP AND
WHO IS GETTING BETTER.
IT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF THE
KIND OF METRICS WE ARE WORKING
WITH LISA AND THE LEAD TEAM ON.
WE REALLY APPRECIATE HER
PARTNERSHIP IN THIS WORK AS WE
WORK THROUGH DEVELOPMENT OF
PERFORMANCE METRICS THAT CAN
GIVE US A BETTER SENSE NOT JUST
OF WHAT IS WORKING FOR THE
INDIVIDUALS AND PARTICIPANTS IN
LEAD BUT AS IMPORTANT, A BETTER
UNDERSTANDING OF THE MODEL AND
THE REPLICABILITY OF THE MODEL
AND ACCURATELY STATED THAT
THERE ARE A VARIETY OF NEEDS
OUT THERE THAT NOT EVERY
PROGRAM WORKS FOR EVERYONE.
AND WHAT MEDICAL INTERVENTION
FOR ME MIGHT NOT WORK FOR
SOMEBODY ELSE.
THIS IS TRUE OF ALMOST
EVERYTHING IN THE WORLD.
WE ARE NOT ALL COOKIE-CUTTER
INDIVIDUALS.
FOR THAT REASON, IT IS TRULY
IMPORTANT FOR US TO UNDERSTAND
MORE DEEPLY HOW THE MODEL IS
WORKING, WHO IT IS WORKING FOR
AND HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE THOSE
FOLKS FOR WHOM IT WORKS ARE
GETTING INTO THE PROGRAM AND
HOW WE CAN MAKE SURE WE ARE
MODELING PROGRAMS THAT MIGHT
NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE FOR SOME,
LEAD MAY NOT BE AS EFFECTIVE
FOR SOME AND HAVE ALTERNATIVES
FOR OTHER FOLKS.
IN THE END, I THINK WE ARE ALL
ON THE SAME PAGE AND WANTING TO
SEE LEADS SUCCEED.
AND WE REALLY WANT TO CONTINUE
OUR PARTNERSHIP TO AGAIN
DEVELOP THOSE METRICS.
WE ARE EXTREMELY EXCITED ABOUT
THE DATABASE COMING.
I HAVE SEEN THE DATA POINTS AND
IT.
IT IS VERY COMPREHENSIVE, WHAT
THEY ARE PROPOSING.
I HAVE A LOT OF CONFIDENCE THAT
APPROPRIATE DATA ANALYTICS WILL
GET US THE KIND OF INFORMATION
WE WANT SO THAT WE CAN ALL BE
SUCCESSFUL TOGETHER MOVING THIS
FORWARD.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
BREAKDOWN.
I KNOW THAT WHEN THE COUNTY
EXPANDS LEAD TO DIFFERENT
CITIES AND LAST YEAR THEY
EXPANDED TO BURIEN, THE WAY WE
LOOK AT IT, WHEN A PARTICIPANT
OF LEAD IS DIVERTED FROM AN
ARREST, IT IS THE JURISDICTION
THAT THEY ARE -- I WILL USE
THE TERM ARREST.
IF THEY ARE ARRESTED IN BURIEN
AND DIVERTED, THAT IS NOT
AFFECTING OUR NUMBERS BUT IF
THERE IS SOMEONE IN SEATTLE, DO
WE TRACK THE DATA ON WHERE THE
PEOPLE ARE FROM?
FOR EXAMPLE, IF THEY ARE
ARRESTED A LOT IN SEATTLE BUT
THEY ALL RESIDE IN FEDERAL WAY
OR RENTON, DO WE TRACK THAT?
WHEN WE LOOK AT THE ANALYTICS,
I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHO ARE THE
RECIPIENTS OF THE SERVICES.
THIS MODEL SORT OF JUST TELLS
ME WHAT THE COUNTY AND THE CITY
ARE PAYING FOR.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO THE
RECIPIENTS OF THE SERVICES.
>> WHEN YOU SAY OUR SERVICES,
ARE YOU REFERRING TO
LEADERSHIP?
YES.
>> THAT IS AN EXCELLENT
QUESTION AND ONE WE WOULD LIKE
TO KNOW THE ANSWER TO AS WELL.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE NOT SEEN THAT
LEVEL OF INFORMATION.
I SUSPECT THAT THE DEPUTY CHIEF
MAY HAVE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT
THE POLICE DEPARTMENT TRACKS.
BUT I HAVE NOT SEEN THAT LEVEL
OF INFORMATION OUT OF NEED.
>> I WILL TELL YOU.
WHAT MY STREAM OF THINKING IS,
IS IN MANY CASES, VIOLENT
CRIMES, AS AN EXAMPLE, IN THE
YOUTH AREA, ARE YOUNG FOLKS
THAT DON'T LIVE IN SEATTLE AND
SOME OF THEM COME.
I READ STATISTICS AND ARTICLES
ABOUT THEM COMING TO SEATTLE
AND THERE ARE SOME THINGS IN
THERE ABOUT GOING TO A
DIFFERENT JURISDICTION.
I'M CURIOUS ABOUT WHO WE ARE
SPENDING SOFTER SERVICES ON.
I'M NOT MAKING A JUDGMENT ONE
WAY OR ANOTHER BUT WHEN WE
SPLIT FUNDING ON PROGRAMS
COUNTY VERSUS CITY, I'M CURIOUS
AS TO WHO WE ARE SPENDING IT
ON.
>> IT IS A GREAT QUESTION.
>> I CAN RESPOND TO THAT.
IF AN OFFICER DOES AN ARREST
DIVERSION, WE STILL CREATE
PAPERWORK.
WE HAVE A GENERAL REPORT.
WE HAVE ACCESS TO THE DATA.
A POINT OF CLARIFICATION FOR
THIS, WITH THE NUMBER OF
REFERRALS, LAW ENFORCEMENT HAD
LEAD SET UP IN LEIU OF BOOKING.
SO WE WOULD FIND SOMEONE WITH A
MINOR AMOUNT OF COCAINE OR
PROSTITUTION OR SOMETHING ALONG
THOSE LINES AND DIVERT THEM TO
THE JAIL.
THAT STILL EXISTS TODAY.
WE ALSO HAVE A NEW PROPORTION
WHICH WE CALL A SOCIAL CONTACT
REFERRAL.
THOSE ARE PEOPLE WE ARE COMING
INTO CONTACT SOMETIMES WHEN WE
ARE DEALING WITH THE HOMELESS.
AND OTHER PEOPLE NOT INVOLVED
IN THE CRIMINAL ASPECT OF WHAT
WE ARE DOING.
ROUGHLY WHEN YOU START TO LOOK
AT THOSE NUMBERS, IN 2018, ONLY
18% OF THE REFERRALS WERE FOR
ARREST DIVERSION.
ROUGHLY 80% OF THOSE WERE
ACTUALLY SOCIAL CONTACT
REFERRALS.
WE DON'T CAPTURE THE DATA ON
THAT BECAUSE WE ARE NOT
GENERATING A POLICE REPORT.
BECAUSE THERE IS NO CRIME
INVOLVED.
I THINK THAT IS AN IMPORTANT
DISTINCTION TO MAKE.
>> THAT IS ONE OF THE REASONS
THE DATABASE GETTING UP IS
CRITICAL.
IT COULD BE THE DIFFERENT
ASPECTS OF THE PROGRAM ARE
SERVING FOLKS THAT ARE DIVERTED
THAT WAY OR BROUGHT INTO THE
SYSTEM THAT WAY VERSUS THE
ARREST.
IT COULD BE DIFFERENT.
WE DON'T KNOW.
WE HAVE THAT OPPORTUNITY GOING
FORWARD.
>> I THINK IT WOULD BE USEFUL
FOR US TO TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT
LEAD IS REPORTING TO THE COUNTY
AND BUILDING OUT THE METRICS.
BECAUSE IT IS MY UNDERSTANDING
THAT THEY ARE REPORTING TO THE
LEVEL OF DETAIL TO KING COUNTY.
I THINK I WOULD LIKE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN FROM KING
COUNTY ON WHAT THEY ARE DOING
AND THE STORY IT IS ABLE TO
TELL ABOUT THE PERFORMANCE OF
LEAD.
>> YOU THINK THEY ARE DOING
SOMETHING DIFFERENTLY THEN WE
ARE?
>> I THINK THEY ARE
COLLECTING THE LEVEL OF DETAIL
WE ARE TALKING ABOUT HAVING
INTEREST IN RECEIVING HERE.
>> DO YOU KNOW WHICH
DEPARTMENT IS DOING THAT?
>> I BELIEVE IT IS THE KING
COUNTY PROSECUTING ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
BUT I'M NOT A HUNDRED% SURE.
>> LET'S FIND OUT WHETHER
THEY ARE DOING THAT.
CHLOE IS SAYING YES.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH.
NOT THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY'S
OFFICE.
IS THAT LEO'S GROUP?
>> THANK YOU.
JUST A MOMENT.
DO YOU HAVE THE ANSWER TO THIS?
>> I'M HEARING THE ANSWER IS
THE OFFICE OF BEHAVIORAL
HEALTH.
I DON'T KNOW WHO OVERSEES IT.
I KNOW IT IS NOT LEO.
>> SO IT IS NOT LEO AND IS
NOT DAN.
SO WE WILL KEEP LOOKING.
>> WE WILL FIGURE IT OUT.
>> MY RESEARCH TELLS ME THEY
ARE ABOUT 85% HOMELESS.
SO IT IS ARTIFICIAL.
>> THANK YOU.
WE HAVE SOME WORK TO DO THERE
TO ANSWER THE QUESTION.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> I DID NOT EVEN KNOW YOU
HAD YOUR HAND UP.
>> YOU ARE SO GOOD.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR AND
I APPRECIATE THAT YOU LEAD THE
CONVERSATION AS WELL WITH THE
FOLKS FROM LEAD AND THE CASE
MANAGERS AND THE FOLKS WHO HAVE
BEEN EXPRESSING THE NEED ON THE
GROUND.
I KNOW COUNCIL PRESIDENT HAROLD
DID NOT NEED TO PUT OUR FRIENDS
ON THE SPOT BUT THE QUESTION
WAS SO IMPORTANT IN TERMS OF
HOW MUCH WE NEED TO SCALE UP
THESE PROGRAMS.
AS WE THINK ABOUT THE EFFORT TO
GO REGIONWIDE WITH RESPONDING
TO THE CRISIS THAT IS
HOMELESSNESS, I THINK THE FOLKS
THAT LEAD PROVIDE A CRITICAL
SERVICE AND THE REASON I THINK
IT IS IMPORTANT TO SEE THE
NEXUS BETWEEN THE LEAD PROGRAM
AND WHAT WE ARE TRYING TO DO
WITH THE REGIONAL LEVEL IS THAT
WE KNOW THAT BEING HOMELESS IS
NOT A CRIME.
AND YET THE DATA WE KEEP
POINTING BACK TO SHOWS THAT
MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING SWEPT
INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE THE
UNDERLYING ISSUE IS THAT THEY
DON'T HAVE A HOME OR THEY ARE
SELF-MEDICATING BECAUSE OF THE
CRISIS AND THE TRAUMA OF BEING
HOMELESS.
SO I LOVE THAT LEAD HELPED US
UNDERSCORE REPEATEDLY THAT THE
OVERALL GOAL IS TO REDUCE
ILLEGAL ACTIVITY AND REDUCE
CRIME.
I THINK THAT IS SO IMPORTANT
THAT WE REMEMBER THAT.
THE CROSSCUT ARTICLE THIS
MORNING TALKED ABOUT 120 PEOPLE
GETTING ARRESTED AND THE VAST
MAJORITY BEING WOMEN AS THE
COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN TALKED
ABOUT AND WHEN THEY GUN TO THE
LEAD PROGRAM, THEY GOT HOUSING.
THEY GOT HOUSE MANAGEMENT AND
EMPLOYMENT SERVICES AND
PREVENTED FUTURE ARRESTS.
THOSE ARE THE TYPES OF SERVICES
WE WANT TO DO.
WHEN I LOOK AT THE NEED
REGIONWIDE AND RECOGNIZED
THROUGH THIS CHART THAT LEAD IS
PROVIDING A REGIONAL A REGIONAL
APPROACH, I THINK IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR THE FUTURE
CONVERSATIONS ABOUT HOW FUNDING
COULD BE BETTER SERVED FOR THE
REGIONAL EFFORTS.
I ALSO WANT TO TAKE A QUICK
SECOND TO CHALLENGE THE
NARRATIVE THAT STARTED THIS
PANEL.
BECAUSE WHAT I HEARD FROM THE
DIRECTOR AND FROM THERE OF
INCENTIVES IS THAT IT IS
IMPORTANT FOR US TO TEST
ADDITIONAL STRATEGIES, FOR US
TO TRY NEW APPROACHES AND REACH
PEOPLE THAT COULDN'T BE REACHED
AND FOR US TO PILOT PROGRAMS
WERE OTHER PEOPLE HAVE NOT BEEN
SERVED.
AND NONE OF THOSE THINGS COULD
BE TRUE IF INDIVIDUALS CAN'T
GET INTO THE SYSTEM BECAUSE
LEAD DOES NOT HAVE THE FUNDING
IT NEEDS.
THE CHART WE SAW FROM LEAD
SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE FAILING
TO GET INTO THE CASE MANAGEMENT
THEY NEED BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
SCALED IT.
I THINK IT IS AN UNFAIR
NARRATIVE THAT IS BEING PUT OUT
THERE THAT SOMEHOW THE 168
PEOPLE FOR EXAMPLE, OR MORE
THAT WE ARE TRYING TO TEST OR
TRY NEW STRATEGIES TO REACH
THEM, IS SOMEHOW NEEDED,
DOESN'T ALWAYS HOLD WATER FOR
ME.
BECAUSE THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE
NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET INTO THE
SYSTEM.
AND HAD WE HAD THE RESOURCES TO
SCALE UP LEAD TO, THEY WOULD BE
GETTING AN.
I THINK WHAT WE HEARD IS OF THE
100 OR SO THAT GOT INTO THE
PROGRAM, OF THE HUNDRED OR SO
PROLIFIC OFFENDERS THAT WERE
FEATURED LAST YEAR, ONLY ONE
HAD ACTUALLY BEEN IN THE LEAD
PROGRAM.
SO I DON'T BELIEVE THERE IS A
NARRATIVE THAT WE NEED TO BE
TRYING, TESTING OR PILOTING NEW
PROGRAMS WHEN IT SOUNDS TO ME
LIKE FROM THE PREVIOUS
PRESENTATION, THEY ARE NOT
GETTING INTO THE PROGRAM IN THE
FIRST PLACE BECAUSE WE HAVE NOT
SCALED IT UP.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO
UNDERSCORE THAT AGAIN.
IT IS NOT THAT FOLKS HAVE
FAILED OUT OF THE PROGRAM.
THEY HAVE NOT BEEN ABLE TO GET
IN.
>> WHEN WE DEAL WITH COMPLEX
SITUATIONS LIKE WE HAVE IN
SEATTLE, ON THE INTERSECTION OF
MENTAL HEALTH, SUBSTANCE ABUSE,
HOMELESSNESS AND PROPERTY
CRIMES AND SUCH, I DON'T
BELIEVE THERE IS A ONE-SIZE-
FITS-ALL SOLUTION.
AND WE HAVE TO HAVE AS MANY
RESOURCES AS WE CAN TO OFFER TO
FOLKS.
AND IT IS NOT TO ENFORCEMENT.
ENFORCEMENT IS THE LAST LINE IN
MY OPINION OF THIS.
BUT TO HAVE THOSE RESOURCES
AVAILABLE TO THE OFFICERS TO DO
THAT TYPE OF THING, THERE IS I
THINK MISINFORMATION THAT THE
DIRECTION OF CHANGE OF
ENFORCEMENT AT THE NORTH
PRECINCT IS NOT DUE TO THE
INABILITY TO GET PEOPLE INTO
LEAD.
IT IS DUE TO THE FACT THAT WE
DID NOT BELIEVE, I DID NOT
BELIEVE THAT LEAD WAS A GOOD
SOLUTION FOR A LOT OF THE FOLKS
UP THERE.
WE HAVE A PROSTITUTION PROBLEM
IN THE NORTH PRECINCT.
NO GOOD DEED GOES UNPUNISHED.
AND WHEN LAW ENFORCEMENT,
TOGETHER WITH THE COMMUNITY
CAME TOGETHER AND SHUT DOWN
BACKPAGE AND CRAIGSLIST ADS,
THEY FORCED A LOT OF THOSE
WOMEN WHO WERE MAKING THEIR
LIVELIHOOD FROM THE WEBSITES,
FROM THE PHONE BOOKS, OUT ON TO
THE STREETS AS WELL.
WE HAVE PEOPLE WORKING THE
STREETS THAT ARE NOT
NECESSARILY SUBSTANCE ABUSE.
THEY HAVE HOMES.
SOME OF THEM CHOOSE TO DO WHAT
THEY ARE DOING.
WE NEED TO HAVE SOME TYPE OF
INTERVENTION WITH THEM, WHETHER
IT IS LEAD OR SOMETHING ELSE.
BUT WE HAVE TO ADDRESS THESE
TYPES OF THINGS.
TO SIMPLY GO ABOUT DOING THE
SAME THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN
BECOMES PROBLEMATIC IF IT DOES
WORK FOR SOME BUT NOT FOR
OTHERS.
WE HAVE HAD TWO HOMICIDES IN
THE NORTH PRECINCT ON AURORA
DIRECTLY RELATED TO
PROSTITUTION ACTIVITY.
I HAVE TO DO SOMETHING IN ORDER
TO MAKE THE POPULATION SAFE AS
WELL.
I FIRMLY AND I WOULD LIKE TO
SAY ONE MORE THING.
I FIRMLY BELIEVE IN LEAD.
I BELIEVE WE SHOULD FUND LEAD.
ALL I'M SAYING IS THAT I NEED A
LOT OF RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH
THE COMPLEX PROBLEMS WE HAVE
OUT THERE.
>> THANK YOU FOR CONCLUDING
THAT WAY, THAT YOU BELIEVE WE
OUGHT TO FUND LEAD.
I THINK FOR ME AND I CAN FEEL
MY COLLEAGUES, THAT THE IDEA
THAT WE CAN CONCLUDE THAT WOMEN
ARE PROSTITUTING THEMSELVES FOR
A CHOICE IS SOMETHING THAT IS
ALMOST SHOCKING TO SAY.
WE CONSIDER IT MUCH MORE OF A
SURVIVAL CRIME.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE CAN
HELP THESE PEOPLE THROUGH,
INVESTING A FEW MILLION DOLLARS
MORE, INTO THE PRECINCT SO THAT
YOU HAVE THOSE OPTIONS, I'M
FEELING VERY STRONGLY UP HERE
THAT IT WILL HAVE THAT SUPPORT.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> THANK YOU.
YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT PEOPLE IN
AURORA MAKING CHOICES.
THE ONLY PERSON MAKING A CHOICE
IN TERMS OF PROSTITUTION ARE
THE JOHN'S WHO ARE STOPPING TO
SEE IF PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO
GET IN THEIR CAR.
THOSE FOLKS WHO ARE WORKING ON
THE STREET ARE NOT MAKING A
DAILY CHOICE TO GO OUT THERE.
THEY HAVE, IN MANY CASES,
RESORTED TO THE LAST OPTION TO
SUSTAIN.
IF YOU READ THE ARTICLES,
REPEATEDLY YOU WILL SEE PEOPLE
ARE SUSTAINING THEMSELVES AND
THEIR FAMILIES, THEIR KIDDOS.
THIS IS NOT A CHOICE PEOPLE ARE
MAKING AS IF THEY ARE HOUSED
AND HAVE ALL ACCESS TO HEALTH
SERVICES AND THEY FEEL
ECONOMICALLY STABLE.
PEOPLE DON'T MAKE THIS CHOICE.
FOR ME, IT UNDERSCORES THE
QUESTION THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
ASKING OF THESE OTHER PROGRAMS.
WHERE IS THE DATA?
IF YOU WANT THESE ORGANIZATION
TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TO
MEETING SOME STANDARD OF DATA
THAT YOU ARE TRYING TO GET
PEOPLE TO PROVE THEIR
EFFECTIVENESS AND YOU ARE
BASING REFERRALS FOR ARREST
INSTEAD OF LEAD, BASED ON YOUR
ASSUMPTION OR GUT OR A SENSE
THAT SOMEHOW IT WAS BETTER TO
ARREST THEM THEN GET THEM INTO
LEAD, I WANT TO SEE THE DATA.
I WOULD LIKE TO SEE DATA THAT
SHOWS THAT PEOPLE ARE MAKING
THIS CHOICE BECAUSE ABSOLUTELY,
IN MY 15 YEARS OF WORKING ON
THIS ISSUE, FROM HUMAN
TRAFFICKING AND LABOR
TRAFFICKING AND FIGHTING FOR
RIGHTS, I HAVE NEVER BEEN SO
SHOCKED.
>> I APPRECIATE THAT
COUNCILWOMAN.
THAT COMES FROM MY EXPERIENCE
OF WORKING THE STREET THERE AND
TALKING TO A YOUNG LADY WHO
SPECIFICALLY TOLD ME THAT SHE
WAS THERE TO MAKE MONEY AND
ENJOYED IT.
BEYOND THAT, AND I STILL
BELIEVE THAT YOUNG LADY.
>> IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE THAT
YOU ARE SPEAKING THIS WAY.
DID YOU JUST SAY SHE ENJOYED
IT?
>> THOSE ARE HER WORDS AND
NOT MINE.
>> I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD
BE SPEAKING FOR WOMEN AT ALL
AND MUCH LESS WOMEN IN THE
CONTEXT OF THE STATISTICS,
WORLDWIDE STATISTICS THAT THE
PEOPLE THAT GET INTO SEX WORK
PRIMARILY GET INTO IT BECAUSE
OF FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS
IMPOSED ON THEM BY THE SYSTEM.
IT DOES NOT MEAN THAT WE ARE
GOING TO SIT AND LITIGATE EVERY
SINGLE WOMAN'S CHOICE.
THAT IS NOT THE POINT HERE.
WE ARE NOT GOING TO QUESTION
ANYBODY'S CHOICE BUT AT THE
SAME TIME, WE ARE NOT GOING TO
PRETEND THAT THE OVERWHELMING
STATISTICS DON'T EXIST, THAT
OVERWHELMINGLY, WOMEN AND LGBTQ
PEOPLE GET INTO THIS BECAUSE OF
FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS.
CAN WE AT LEAST KEEP REALITY IN
FRONT OF US?
SO MANY OF YOU COME HERE AND
TALK ABOUT DATA AND DATA DRIVEN
PERFORMANCE METRICS.
YOU ARE NOT LOOKING AT THE DATA
AT ALL.
JUST THE LANGUAGE YOU ARE USING
IS JUST SIMPLY NOT ACCEPTABLE.
AND I ALSO WANT TO KNOW HOW
MUCH INTERACTION THE POLICE
DEPARTMENT HAS HAD WITH
ORGANIZATIONS LIKE THE SEX
WORKERS OUTREACH PROJECT WHO
WILL TELL YOU A LOT BECAUSE I
THINK THE POLICE DEPARTMENT
NEEDS TO UNDERSTAND CLEARLY IT
IS NOT ABOUT YOU INDIVIDUALLY
BUT WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
REFLECTS, AT THE MINIMUM, A
DEEP IGNORANCE ABOUT JUST THE
WHOLE CONTEXT OF SEX WORK.
I WANT TO CONNECT THIS TO A
LARGER POINT YOU ARE MAKING
WHICH, I DON'T THINK IS
ACCURATE.
BASED ON WHAT WE THINK THE
PROBLEMS ARE.
YOU SAID THAT WE CAN'T HAVE A
ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL APPROACH.
YES.
WE AGREE WITH THAT.
HOWEVER, I DON'T AGREE WITH
PRESENTING THE IDEA OF LEAD AS
A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.
THAT IS THE WHOLE POINT.
IT IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.
AND LEAD IS A MODEL.
MEANING THAT RATHER THAN HAVE
PEOPLE GO INTO JAIL OR WORSE
YET, A PRISON SENTENCE, YOU
ACTUALLY GIVE THEM SOCIAL
SERVICES.
BUT WHAT THE NEEDS MAY BE,
BASED ON THE SITUATION.
AND YOU ARE RIGHT.
NOT EVERYBODY THAT GETS
INVOLVED IN THIS IS HOMELESS.
BUT THEY HAVE OTHER PROBLEMS.
SOME ARE FACING HOUSING ISSUES.
IN OTHER WORDS, IT IS A MYRIAD
OF ISSUES BEING DEALT WITH.
IT IS NOT A ONE-SIZE-FITS-ALL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN
USE THE POINT ABOUT SEX WORK
AND ISOLATION TO SAY THAT
SOMEHOW LEAD IS NOT WORKING OR
CREATE THIS AURA THAT SOMEHOW
LEAD IS NOT MEETING THE NEEDS
OF SOCIETY. IF YOU ARE NOT
SUGGESTING, YOU ARE SUDDENLY
IMPLYING THAT IT IS NOT WORTHY
OF THE FULL FUNDING, WHICH I
THINK IT IS.
>> I APOLOGIZE FOR MY WORDS
IF THEY CAUSED OFFENSE.
THAT WAS NOT THE INTENT.
THE INTENT WAS TO ILLUSTRATE
THE COMPLEX NATURE AND I FIRMLY
BELIEVE THE WOMEN OUT THERE ARE
VICTIMS.
MOST OF THEM ARE BEING
TRAFFICKED.
AND WE ARE COMMITTED TO
RESCUING THOSE VICTIMS.
MY POINT WAS THAT WE NEED
MULTIPLE RESOURCES TO DEAL WITH
SUCH A COMPLEX PROBLEM.
AND I DO APOLOGIZE IF I
OFFENDED.
THAT WAS NOT MY INTENT IN ANY
WAY, SHAPE OR FORM.
>> FURTHER COMMENT, HEATHER.
>> THANK YOU.
I GUESS THE POINT I WOULD TRY
TO LIKE TO MAKE IS, AS THE
PROSECUTOR WHO HAS BEEN THE
LIAISON FOR MY OFFICE FOR THE
LAST TWO AND HALF YEARS, THE
INFORMATION THAT WE GET FROM
LEAD CASE MANAGERS MAKE US
BETTER PROSECUTORS.
BECAUSE WE HAVE THE INFORMATION
THAT IS NECESSARY IN ORDER TO
CREATE INDIVIDUALIZED
RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THE GOAL IS TO REDUCE THE
CRIMINAL JUSTICE CONTACT WITH
THE INFORMATION WE GET FROM THE
CASE MANAGERS.
THE PROSECUTORS ARE ABLE TO DO
THAT.
I OVERSEE ALL THE LEAD CLIENTS
THAT ARE PART OF OR FIND
THEMSELVES CHARGED WITH CRIMES
IN SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT.
WHEN I FIRST STARTED TWO AND
HALF YEARS AGO, THERE WERE 357
LEAD CLIENTS.
AS WE KNOW FROM THE PREVIOUS
SLIDES, THE NUMBER IS NOW 754.
ON AVERAGE, THERE ARE ABOUT 20%
INVOLVED IN SEATTLE MUNICIPAL
COURT.
I OVERSEE FILING DECISIONS AND
ALL NEGOTIATIONS INVOLVING
THOSE CASES PRE-AND POST-
DISPOSITION.
THE ONLY THING I DON'T DO IS
HAVE THE CAPACITY TO TAKE CASES
TO TRIAL SHOULD THAT BE THAT
YOUR DIRECTORY OF THE CASE.
TO DATE, THERE HAVE BEEN TWO
CASES THAT HAVE GONE TO TRIAL.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN THOUSANDS
OF HEARINGS, HUNDREDS OF CASES
AND HUNDREDS OF INDIVIDUALS
EACH YEAR THAT ARE METRIC
RELATING THROUGH A SEATTLE
MENACE OF A COURT CHARGED WITH
CRIMES.
AS A MAINSTREAM PROSECUTOR
WHICH I WAS FOR 15 YEARS PRIOR
TO TAKING ON THIS ROLE, YOU
HAVE THE FOUR CORNERS OF A
POLICE REPORT AND THE FOUR
CORNERS OF THE CRIMINAL HISTORY
IN ORDER TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
WILL CHANGE THAT INDIVIDUAL'S
BEHAVIOR.
WHAT WILL EFFECTIVELY EXIT THEM
FROM THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM
? THAT IS WHY LEAD IS SUCH AN
IMPORTANT COMPONENT.
SUCH AN IMPORTANT PARTNER FOR
MY OFFICE BECAUSE FOR SOME OF
THESE PROLIFIC OFFENDERS OR FOR
INDIVIDUALS THAT FIND
HEMSELVES REPEATEDLY IN THE
SYSTEM, WE HAVE THE INFORMATION
AND THE TOOLS WE NEED IN ORDER
TO CREATE THOSE INDIVIDUALIZED
PLANS.
WITHOUT LEAD, CASE MANAGERS
PARTNERING WITH US IN PROVIDING
THAT INFORMATION, THE ONLY WAY
WE GET INFORMATION ABOUT THE
DEFENDANT IS FROM THE DEFENSE
ATTORNEY AND THEIR JOB IS TO
REPRESENT THE CLIENT.
THE CLIENT IS NOT AUTHORIZING
THE DEFENSE ATTORNEY TO SHARE
INFORMATION WITH THE
PROSECUTION.
WE JUST DON'T HAVE THE
NECESSARY TOOLS TO CREATE THE
INDIVIDUALIZED PLANS AND BE
SUCCESSFUL IN HELPING
INDIVIDUALS EXIT THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM.
THE SEATTLE MUNICIPAL COURT AT
THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR
CREATED A CALENDAR THAT LEAD
CASES COULD GO TO WHICH HAS
EFFECTIVELY CREATED A SPACE
WHERE LEAD CLIENTS HAVE HAD
SOME CONSISTENCY WITH THE
RESOLUTION OF THE CASES.
THE JUDGES IN THE COURTROOM
THAT CURRENTLY OVERSEES THAT
COURT.
ALSO IN THAT COURTROOM, WE ARE
ABLE TO CREATE A VERY DIFFERENT
EXPERIENCE FOR THE CLIENTS.
AND I THINK THAT IS INVALUABLE.
A LOT OF THESE INDIVIDUALS HAVE
HAD MULTIPLE CONTACT WITH THE
COLONEL JUSTICE SYSTEM WHERE
THEY HEARD THE SAME MESSAGE.
THE JUDGES SAID THAT YOU DID
SOMETHING WRONG AND THIS IS
WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO TO YOU.
IT IS NOT ABOUT THE PERSON.
EACH WEDNESDAY MORNING WHEN WE
HAVE THIS CONSOLIDATED
CALENDAR, WE ARE FOCUSING ON
WHAT THE INDIVIDUALS ARE DOING
BETWEEN COURT HEARINGS.
WHETHER IT IS SOMETHING AS
SMALL AS OBTAINING A WASHINGTON
STATE IDENTIFICATION WHICH IS
IMPORTANT FOR APPLYING FOR
BENEFITS AND HOUSING AND ALL
THE GOALS INTENDED TO STABILIZE
THE INDIVIDUALS AND REDUCE
CONTACT WITH THE CRIMINAL
JUSTICE SYSTEM.
WE ARE DOING THAT TO CHANGE THE
MESSAGING.
COME INTO THE COURT ROOM.
WE WILL CELEBRATE WHAT YOU ARE
DOING RIGHT.
WE WILL ADDRESS WHAT YOU ARE
DOING WRONG.
BUT WE WILL TRY TO DO IT IN A
WAY THAT IS MEANINGFUL AND
DELIBERATE AND WE SPEND A LOT
OF TIME NOT ALWAYS AGREEING BUT
ULTIMATELY FOR THE CITY, THERE
IS A BALANCE OF VICTIM AND
COMMUNITY SAFETY WITH THE
DECISIONS THAT ARE MADE AND
OBVIOUSLY THE COURT HAS THIS AS
WELL.
I AM HERE PERHAPS.
PERHAPS I SHOULD HAVE BEEN ON
THE FIRST PANEL ONE IT WAS A
LITTLE DIFFERENT CONVERSATION
HAPPENING.
I'M HERE TO SAY THAT EXPANDING
CASE MANAGERS IS NECESSARY.
CASE MANAGERS ARE CONSTANTLY
APOLOGIZING TO ME BECAUSE THEY
WERE NOT ABLE TO GET BACK TO ME
IN A TIMELY FASHION OR THEY
COULDN'T GET TO SEE A CLIENT
BECAUSE THEY JUST DON'T HAVE
THE CAPACITY.
THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE TO
APOLOGIZE TO ME.
ABSOLUTELY, ADVOCATING FOR CASE
MANAGERS, FOR THERE TO BE MORE
CASE MANAGERS, I CAN SEE ON
THEIR FACES THAT THEY HAVE SUCH
A STRONG CONNECTION WITH THEIR
CLIENTS.
AND TO NOT BE ABLE TO DO THE
JOB THE WAY THEY COULD IF THEY
JUST HAD FEWER CLIENTS, YOU CAN
SEE IT IS TAKING ITS TOLL.
I AM HERE TO SAY THAT, OUR
OFFICE, THE SEATTLE CITY
ATTORNEY'S OFFICE VALUE THE
RELATIONSHIP WE HAVE WITH LEAD.
HAVING THE CASE MANAGERS IN THE
COURTROOM TO HELP US TO OUR JOB
BETTER AND MORE EFFECTIVELY AND
I'M HERE TO SAY THAT WHEN YOU
HAVE A JUMP FROM 357 CLIENTS TO
754, IT IS GETTING A LITTLE
MORE DIFFICULT FOR ME TO SPEND
THE TIME NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE
THAT I HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO
LISTEN TO THE INFORMATION AND
MAKE THOSE EDUCATED DECISIONS
AND MAKE SURE THAT I'M ABLE TO
DO MY JOB AS A PROSECUTOR AS
WELL.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR
THAT.
A QUICK QUESTION.
YOU TALKED ABOUT IT BUT I JUST
WANT YOU TO GIVE ME A
STATEMENT.
DOES THE CITY ATTORNEY'S OFFICE
SUPPORT THIS APPROACH?
AND DO YOU BELIEVE THAT IT IS A
CRIME REDUCTION STRATEGY WORTHY
OF OUR INVESTING AND
ESSENTIALLY DOUBLING THE CASE
MANAGEMENT, THE NUMBERS OF CASE
MANAGERS?
>> 100%, YES.
>> ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FROM
COLLEAGUES?
>> ANY OTHER STATEMENTS FROM
THE BOARD HERE?
>> ONE STATEMENT.
THERE IS ONE PIECE I THINK IS
IMPORTANT TO ADD.
IT IS ABOUT THE PROJECTION FOR
THE REFERRALS.
WE KNOW FROM SEEING THE CHANGE
IN THE NATURE FROM ARREST
DIVERSIONS TO SOCIAL CONTACT
REFERRALS AND TALKING TO
OFFICERS IN THE FIELD THAT SOME
QUESTION ABOUT THE SLOPE OF
THAT, HEARING FROM OFFICERS A
LOT AND FEELING IN THE NORTH
END, WHERE A LOT OF THIS SURGE
CAME FROM EXPANSION TO THE
NORTH, A LOT OF THE SERGEANTS
AND OFFICERS FEELING THEY MAY
HAVE TAPPED THE POPULATION THEY
WOULD REFER.
IF THEY WERE GOING TO FOCUS ON
ARREST DIVERSIONS INSTEAD OF
SOCIAL CONTACT REFERRALS AND
SOME PRIORITIZATION OF
REFERRALS, THAT THE SLOPE MAY
NOT BE THE SAME AS THE
PROJECTION.
SO THE NEED MAY NOT BE AS GREAT
COMING FROM POLICE DEPARTMENT
REFERRALS.
I THINK WE NEED TO SCOPE OUT
THAT IS THIS PRIMARILY IN
ARREST AVERSION MODEL OR
SERVICE REFERRAL AND THAT IS A
QUESTION IN TERMS OF THE
CAPACITY OF THE PROGRAM BECAUSE
WE ARE MISSING SOME OF THE DATA
FOR THE SOCIAL CONTACT
REFERRALS.
WE DON'T KNOW THE EXTENT TO
WHICH THERE IS CRIMINAL JUSTICE
INVOLVED.
IS IT AS HEAVY AS THE INITIAL
ROLLOUT OF THE PROGRAM WHERE WE
SAW HAVE YOUR ARREST AVERSION
AND WE KNEW THE HISTORY FROM
THE EVALUATION THAT UW DID.
WHAT I'M LOOKING FOR IS, THE
LAST POINT WHERE WE DID THE
EVALUATION, WHO IS IN IT NOW
AND WHAT IS THE HISTORY AND
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM?
WE KNOW WHAT HAPPENED FROM THE
11-14 SEGMENT THANKS TO THOSE
EVALUATIONS.
I'M MOSTLY CURIOUS AND I
TOTALLY AGREE WITH LISA THAT
EVALUATIONS TAKE A LONG TIME
AND COST A LOT OF MONEY TO DO
THE PEER-REVIEWED.
I THINK AS A CITY AND
PARTNERSHIP, I HAVE SAT ON THE
EVALUATION WORKING GROUP.
WHEN I FIRST CAME TO THE CITY,
I WAS WORKING WITH A NONPROFIT
WHERE WE TRIED TO FIGURE OUT
WHERE IT WOULD EXPAND WITH THE
CITY.
TOGETHER, AS A TEAM, WE CAN
FIGURE OUT WHAT HAS BEEN
HAPPENING.
I DON'T THINK WE NEED A FULL
FORCE EXTERNAL REVIEW TO GET A
SENSE OF WHAT IS HAPPENING ON
THE GROUND.
I THINK THAT IS WE COULD DO TO
EXPAND IT TO OTHER PLACES.
WHAT WE ARE ASKING IS, WHAT IS
GOING ON NOW AND WITH THE
CLIENTS?
WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THEM.
THAT IS THE VALUE OF THE
DATABASE.
>> I BELIEVE THE DATABASE IS
UNDERWAY.
AND I HEARD TODAY FROM MT THAT
AND I DIDN'T DO A LITTLE JEWEL
HAS BEEN IDENTIFIED WILL BE
FUNCTIONING AS THE KEY CONTACT
AND I WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THE
WORK LISA AND DAN HAS DONE TO
GET THAT GRANT FROM MICROSOFT
WHEN WE WERE STRUGGLING TO GET
THAT.
NOW WE HAVE IT.
WE HAVE AN IT PERSON DEDICATED
TO THAT.
I HOPE WITHIN A SHORT PERIOD OF
TIME, YOU WILL START SEEING
WHAT YOU ARE ASKING FOR.
AND ALL OF US WANT TO MAKE SURE
IT IS ACCOUNTABLE AND IT IS
SAYING, YES, THIS IS WORTH
INVESTING IN.
BUT FROM EVERYBODY WE HAVE
HEARD FROM TODAY FROM THE CITY
ATTORNEY TO THE PROVIDERS TO
THE PROSECUTING ATTORNEY, TO
THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE DESIGNED
THE PROGRAM, IT IS VERY
VALUABLE TO GIVE THE COURT THE
OPTIONS.
DID YOU HAVE A CLOSING
STATEMENT?
>> I SAID IN AN EARLIER
HEARING THAT I THOUGHT THE
CHIEF SHOULD BE HERE.
AND I DID GET COMMUNICATION
FROM HER THAT SHE WAS BACK EAST
OR IN TRANSIT.
ACCEPT THE APOLOGY AND WHAT YOU
SAID.
I'M NOT SURE IF THE APOLOGY, IF
YOU ARE APOLOGIZING FOR WHAT
YOU SAID OR THAT YOU SET IT.
IS A FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THOSE TWO.
BUT I WILL SAY THAT YOU ARE NOT
STANDING ALONE FOR SAYING
THINGS YOU WISH YOU COULD
RETRACT.
I HAVE A HISTORY OF DOING THAT
MYSELF.
BUT I WILL SHARE WITH YOU THAT
ONE OF MY CONCERNS WITH TOP
LEADERSHIP IS REALLY, DO THEY
GET THIS WORK SOMETIMES?
úAND WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT
A CERTAIN HUMAN BEING THAT, IN
MY OPINION, IS PERHAPS
GENERATIONAL EXPERIENCES OF
ABUSE AND DRUG ISSUES AND
EXPERIENCES THAT PERHAPS, I
DON'T KNOW YOUR STORY SO I
DON'T MAKE ANY PRESUMPTIONS ON
HOW YOU WERE RAISED BUT BEING
CLOSE TO THE STREETS MOST OF MY
LIFE, I TEND TO NOT LOOK AT IT
THAT WAY, THAT THESE ARE
CHOICES PEOPLE MAKE.
THAT THIS IS AN INVESTMENT
STRATEGY IN SAVING LIVES.
AND I HOPE FROM THE TOP ALL THE
WAY DOWN, THAT THEY REALLY GET
WHY WE ARE LOOKING AT THIS AS
AN INVESTMENT STRATEGY.
MY JOB IS SIMPLE AT THIS POINT.
IT'S NOT SIMPLE.
THE TASK IS SIMPLE TO DO AND
THAT IS SO WE HAVE TO DO WITH
FINDING THE MONEY.
I HOPE YOU TAKE SERIOUSLY WHY
YOU OFFENDED A LOT OF PEOPLE IN
THAT, I SAY ATTITUDE OR WORDS.
BECAUSE I DON'T LOOK AT IT AS
CHOICES WHEN LOOKING AT THE
HISTORY OF MANY OF THE PEOPLE
IN THIS PROGRAM.
>> THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU VERY MUCH COME
ALL OF YOU FOR BEING HERE.
THE NEXT ITEM IS THE TNC "FARE
SHARE" PLAN.
I INVITE THE NEXT MEMBERS OF
THE PANEL TO COME UP.
SHEFALI RANGANATHAN, I SEE YOU
ARE PART OF THIS.
AND KATE.
OFFICE OF LABOR STANDARDS.
I THINK BEN IS BACK.
>> THIS IS WHERE THE FUN
STARTS.
>> NO KIDDING.
>> CAN I ASK FOR INTRODUCTIONS
AND WE WILL START.
AMY.
>> I AM KATE GARMAN WITH THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
>> KEREM LEVITAS COME OFFICE
OF LABOR STANDARDS.
>> SHEFALI RANGANATHAN,
DEPUTY MAYOR.
>> GOOD AFTERNOON.
TODAY WE WILL HEAR A
PRESENTATION FROM THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE ON THE PROPOSED TAX ON
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK
COMPANIES WHICH WE CALL TORQUE
TNC AND PROPOSED PROTECTIONS
FOR TMZ DRIVERS INCLUDING A
SAVAGING MINIMAL COMPENSATION
FOR DRIVERS IN ESTABLISHING A
DRIVER RESOLUTION CENTER TO
ADDRESS DRIVER DEACTIVATION.
AS COUNCILS AWARE COME OVER THE
PAST FIVE YEARS, THERE HAVE
BEEN SEVERAL COUNCIL ACTIONS TO
ESTABLISH POLICIES AND
REGULATIONS FOR THIS EMERGING
INDUSTRY INCLUDING ORDINANCE
124524 IN 2014.
IN 2015, WE HAD ORDINANCE
124968.
MOST RECENTLY COUNSEL PASS
RESOLUTION 318089.
SPECIFICALLY LOOKING AT DATA
SHARING REQUIREMENTS AND RATES
OF POTENTIAL MINIMUM WAGE FOR
DRIVERS AND BETTER POLICY
ALIGNMENT THROUGH THE INDUSTRY.
AS IT WILL HEAR, THIS PROPOSAL
TOUCHES SEVERAL ISSUE AREAS AND
INVOLVES SEVERAL CENTRAL STAFF
MEMBERS.
WE WILL HAVE LEAD ON THE
LEGISLATION AND I WILL BE LEAD
ON LEGISLATION RELATED TO THESE
TAXES AND SPENDING.
AND WITH THAT, I WILL TURN IT
OVER TO THE DEPUTY MAYOR.
>> COUNCILMEMBERS COME AS WE
GET OUR PRESENTATION QUEUED UP,
FIRST OF ALL, I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE
HERE THIS AFTERNOON TO TALK
ABOUT THE "FARE SHARE" PLAN.
I WANT TO SPECIFICALLY THANK
THE COUNCIL PRESIDENT HARRELL,
COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN AND
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA FOR YOUR
LEADERSHIP ON THIS ISSUE.
IT IS YOUR WORK OVER MANY YEARS
THAT HAS RESULTED IN THE POINT
WHERE WE ARE AND WHERE WE
CONTINUE TO MAKE PROGRESS ON
THIS ISSUE AND I'M EXCITED TO
TALK MORE ABOUT THIS TODAY AND
THE PRESENTATION.
WE WILL SPEND A LITTLE BIT OF
TIME TALKING ABOUT THE SPECIFIC
ORDINANCES AND THE DETAILS OF
THOSE PLANS.
I JUST WANT TO SPEND A LITTLE
BIT OF TIME TO CONTEXT THAT FOR
YOU ALL.
WE HAVE SEEN RAPID GROWTH OF
TRANSPORTATION NETWORK
COMPANIES AND OUR CITY.
LAST YEAR, THEY ACCOUNTED FOR
ABOUT 24 MILLION NEW RIDES IN
THE CITY OF SEATTLE.
MORE THAN HALF OF THOSE WERE IN
THE CENTER CITY.
THE ZIP CODE OF DOWNTOWN,
CAPITOL HILL, BELLTOWN.
AND THESE COMPANIES,
PARTICULARLY ARE VALUED AT
BILLIONS.
WITH THE TREMENDOUS GROWTH, WE
WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS
SHARED PROSPERITY FOR THE
DRIVERS AS WELL AS AN
OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE A SET OF
WORKER PROTECTIONS FOR THEM.
IN ADDITION, WE BELIEVE THIS
MODEST 51 CENTS INCREASE IS
GOING TOWARDS WHAT YOU ALL WILL
AGREE SEATTLE VALUES RELATED TO
INVESTING TRANSIT, AFFORDABLE
HOUSING AND SUPPORTING THE
DRIVERS.
SO JUST TO QUICKLY TALK ABOUT
THE MAIN GOALS OF THE PROPOSAL,
IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST TO
MANDATE THAT DRIVERS THAT DRIVE
FOR UBER AND LYFT MAKE AT LEAST
A MINIMUM WAGE PLUS BENEFITS
AND EXPENSES.
I WILL TALK ABOUT THE DETAILS
OF THAT.
IT IS TO INVEST IN TRANSIT AND
FULLY FUND THE CONNECTOR
STREETCAR WHICH WILL RUN ON
FIRST AVENUE.
IT IS TO INVEST IN A FIRST OF
ITS KIND PROTECTION FOR
DRIVERS.
AND IT IS TO BUILD MORE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND TRANSIT.
>> THE NATURE OF WORK IS
CHANGING.
AND MORE AND MORE WITH, WITH A
CELL PHONE YOU ARE ABLE TO GET
FOLKS TO DO ALL KINDS OF WORK.
WE CALL THIS THE APP PASTE GIG
WORK AND IT IS STARTING TO
REPLACE THE TRADITIONAL 9:00
UNTIL 5:00 JOB UBER AND LYFT
DRIVERS ARE CONSIDERED TO BE
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS WHICH
MEANS THEY ARE NOT SUBJECT TO
THE EMPLOYMENT LAWS AND
REQUIREMENTS AND STANDARDS THAT
WE SET IN SEATTLE INCLUDING THE
MINIMUM WAGE WHICH IS CURRENTLY
$16. FOR THE UBER AND LYFT
DRIVERS, THEY ARE CURRENTLY NOT
REIMBURSED FOR EXPENSES
ASSOCIATED WITH OWNING AND
OPERATING THE VEHICLES WHICH
ARE NECESSARY FOR THE SERVICE.
THIS INCLUDES MAINTENANCE,
REPAIRS AND OTHER TYPES OF
EXPENSES ASSOCIATED.
AND THERE ARE STUDIES THAT HAVE
ALREADY SHOWN THAT AFTER THESE
INCIDENCES, UBER AND LYFT
DRIVERS ARE NOT MAKING A
MINIMUM WAGE AND DON'T RECEIVE
STANDARD BENEFITS AND CRITICAL
PROTECTION THAT OTHER WORKERS
DO.
IN ADDITION, THERE IS
UNCERTAINTY AND THE INDUSTRY
WHERE DRIVERS DO FACE
UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION WHICH
IS ESSENTIALLY, THEY CAN BE
ESSENTIALLY DEACTIVATED FROM
THE PLATFORM, LIMITING THEIR
ABILITY TO EARN A WAGE.
AND TO ELABORATE ON THE IMPACT
UBER AND LYFT HAS HAD ON THE
CITY STREETS, THEY RELY ON THE
RIGHT-OF-WAY AND CURB SPACE TO
PICK UP AND DROP OFF.
AS I SAID, 24 MILLION RIDES
LAST YEAR.
WE EXPECT THAT WILL CONTINUE TO
GROW.
I WANT TO GIVE A LITTLE BIT OF
CONTEXT TO WHAT 24 MILLION
RIDES HIS.
IT IS ABOUT 91,000 RIDES A DAY.
IT IS MORE THAN THE ENTIRE
LIGHT RAIL SYSTEM IS CARRYING
RIGHT NOW.
IT IS A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT IN
TERMS OF EMISSIONS, USE THE
RIGHT AWAY AND CONGESTION.
AND RECENTLY, AND PARTNERSHIP
WITH THE UNIVERSITY OF
WASHINGTON, THERE WAS A STUDY
THAT SHOWED THAT, ON AVERAGE,
UBER AND LYFT ACCOUNTS BETWEEN
29-39% OF TOTAL VOLUME OF
TRAFFIC IN SOUTH LAKE UNION.
THERE IS DEFINITELY AN IMPACT
PLAYER.
AS I SAID BEFORE, WE ARE
ANTICIPATING CONTINUED GROWTH.
THIS IS GOING TO GROW OVER TIME
WE ARE EXPECTING.
>> A QUICK PAUSE.
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> DEPUTY MAYOR, I'M SORRY TO
ASK YOU TO DO THIS BUT CAN YOU
GO BACK TO THE SLIDE NUMBER
THREE. I WANTED TO SPEND ONE
QUICK SECOND TO ON THIS SLIDE
MENDHAM CHAIR.
I THINK IT IS IMPORTANT TO LIFT
UP THE DRIVERS WHO ARE IN THIS
SIUATION THAT YOU JUST
OUTLINED.
AND I THINK THE MAYOR, THANK
YOU FOR WORKING WITH THE
DRIVERS WITH THE TRANSPORTATION
ADVOCATES AND THE HOUSING
ADVOCATES TO COME UP WITH THE
FULL PACKAGE.
I WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A SECOND
BECAUSE I KNOW A LOT OF FOLKS
ON THE COUNCIL SINCE 2015 AND
2018 HAVE BEEN WORKING ON
LEGISLATION TO UNDERSCORE HOW
WORKERS AND DRIVERS IN THIS
SECTOR ARE FACING DISPARITIES
IN TERMS OF HOW THE LABOR
STANDARDS ARE APPLIED TO
TRADITIONAL WORK SECTORS VERSUS
WHAT IS OCCURRING ESPECIALLY
FOR TNC DRIVERS.
WHEN I WAS IN NEW YORK EARLIER
THIS YEAR I HAD THE CHANCE TO
BE INVITED TO STAND ON THE
FLOOR OF THE NEW YORK CITY
COUNCIL WHICH LOOKS MORE LIKE A
SENATE CHAMBER AND THEY REALLY
DID TAKE A MINUTE TO REFLECT ON
HOW THESE STATISTICS ARE
AFFECTING ACTUAL DRIVERS.
WE PAUSED BEFORE THE BEGINNING
OF THE NEW YORK CITY COUNCIL
CHAMBER AGENDA AND TOOK A
MOMENT OF SILENCE TO RECOGNIZE
THE MOST RECENT UBER DRIVER WHO
HAD TAKEN HIS OWN LIFE.
AN INDIVIDUAL WHO HAD COMMITTED
SUICIDE IN A SERIES OF SUICIDES
THAT WERE EXPERIENCED BY
INDIVIDUALS THAT WERE TNC
DRIVERS AND ALSO TAXI DRIVERS
BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT HAVING
ENOUGH FUNDING TO MEET THEIR
NEEDS.
THEY COULD NOT EARN ENOUGH OF A
WAGE TO CARE FOR THEIR FAMILIES
OR PAY FOR THEIR CAR OR THE
INSURANCE, GIVEN THE SITUATION
YOU OUTLINED HERE IN THE
BULLETS IN FRONT OF US.
I WANTED TO PAUSE FOR A MOMENT
TO PUT ON THE -UNDERSCORE.
SPECIFICALLY AROUND THE
ARBITRATION OFF OF APPS.
HOW SOME OF THESE PROCESSES
HAVE AFFECTED INDIVIDUAL
WORKERS.
AND I APPRECIATE YOU HAVING A
SLIDE.
SO FROM THIS COAST TO THE OTHER
COAST, WE KNOW THE SITUATION IS
SOMETHING MANY VANESSA
PENALTIES AND POLICYMAKERS ARE
LOOKING TO ADDRESS.
AND IN THE MEANTIME, WE ARE
LOSING LIFE.
>> THANK YOU COUNCILMEMBER.
AND SOME OF THE STORIES YOU
RECOUNTED ARE NOT UNIQUE TO NEW
YORK.
I WAS JUST AT A ROUNDTABLE
EARLIER TODAY WHERE WE HEARD
STORIES OF DRIVERS WITH
FAMILIES WHO ARE BASICALLY IN A
STRUGGLE FOR SURVIVAL AND ARE
HAVING TO NOW WORK LONGER AND
LONGER HOURS TO SOMETIMES 10,
12 OR 15 HOURS, TO MAKE WHAT
THE WERE MAKING JUST A FEW
YEARS AGO.
THIS IS REALLY A STORY ABOUT
HOW THESE ARE PEOPLE FALLING
THROUGH THE?
AND THIS PROPOSAL IS AN EFFORT
TO CREATE THAT SAFETY NET FOR
THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE IN THE
SHADOWS AS IT COMES TO WORKER
CLASSIFICATION.
I WANT TO TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT DRIVER WAGES.
AS YOU ALL HIGHLIGHTED, THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT IS STARTING TO
BECOME AN ISSUE, NOT JUST IN
SEATTLE BUT ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
SEVERAL STUDIES LAST YEAR, ONE
BY THE ECONOMIC POLICY INSTITUTE
AND THE SECOND ONE WHICH WAS A
STUDY BY THE NEW YORK CITY TAXI
AND LIMOUSINE COMMISSION, SHOW
THAT ON AVERAGE, DRIVERS ARE
NOT EARNING A MINIMUM WAGE.
SO THE POLICY INSTITUTE LOOKED
AT DRIVER WAGES WHEN COMPARED
TO MINIMUM WAGES OF VARIOUS
CITIES ACROSS THE COUNTRY.
ON AVERAGE, UBER AND LYFT
DRIVERS WERE MAKING ABOUT
$10.87 AN HOUR.
AS YOU KNOW THE MINIMUM WAGE
HERE IS FAR ABOVE THAT.
EVEN IN THE NEW YORK STUDY, IT
WAS FOUND THAT 85% OF DRIVERS
WERE NOT MAKING WHAT THE
MINIMUM WAGE EQUIVALENT FOR AN
INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR WAS
WHICH WAS $17.22.
>> I'M SORRY.
CAN WE GO OVER THAT SLIDE.
I WANT TO MAKE SURE I
UNDERSTAND.
SO THE RED ONE ON TOP SAYS UBER
WAGES AND THE ONE BELOW SAYS
UBER DISCRETIONARY.
WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN
THE TWO?
>> ESSENTIALLY THERE ARE
CERTAIN EXPENSES THAT, IF YOU
WERE A TYPICAL EMPLOYEE, YOU
WOULD HAVE THOSE EXPENSES.
FOR EXAMPLE, SOCIAL SECURITY
AND MEDICARE TAXES.
ON THE INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR
SIDE, IT IS AN EMPLOYEE BUT
ALSO AN EMPLOYER BECAUSE THEY
ARE AN INDEPENDENT CONTRACTOR.
ESSENTIALLY THEY PAY A TOTAL OF
15% AND THOSE TAXES.
WHEN YOU START TO PULL APART
THAT PIECE IN TERMS OF WHAT
THEY ARE ACTUALLY MAKING, YOU
END UP WITH $10.87.
>> ON THIS CHART, IS THIS
$15.45, IS THIS AN HOUR AFTER?
>> THIS SLIDE, THIS SHOULD BE
UPDATED ACTUALLY.
OBVIOUSLY IT IS THE WAGE NOW.
THE WAGE IN SEATTLE IS $16.
THIS IS A SNAPSHOT I WANT TO
TALK ABOUT MINIMUM WAGE AND
REASONABLE EXPENSES.
IT IS A FAIRLY COMPLEX ISSUE.
MINIMUM WAGE AS WE KNOW IS
TYPICALLY APPLIED TO HOURS
WORKED.
FOR REGULAR HOURS WORKED, FOR
AN EMPLOYEE, YOU DO THE WORK
AND YOU GET PAID.
FOR AT BASE WORK WITH DRIVERS,
CURRENTLY THEY ARE ONLY
COMPENSATED FOR THE TIME THAT
THE PASSENGER IS IN THE CAR.
SO THEY GET PAID A LITTLE TIME
TO WAIT FOR THE PASSENGER.
BUT THE TIME WAITING FOR A
PASSENGER OR THE TIME THEY
SPEND DRIVING TO PICK UP A
PASSENGER, CURRENTLY THEY ARE
NOT COMPENSATED FOR THAT WORK.
THEY DON'T GET REIMBURSED FOR
MAINTENANCE, REPAIR OR
DEPRECIATION FOR THEIR CARS.
THESE ARE JUST EXPENSES HE
WOULD ASSOCIATE.
YOU NEED A CAR TO PROVIDE.
IN TERMS OF IN TERMS OF WHAT WE
EXPECT, IT WOULD INCLUDE PAID
TIME AND PAID FAMILY MEDICAL
LEAVE AND ON EMPLOYMENT WORKERS
AND OF COURSE THERE ARE PLENTY
OF EMPLOYERS THAT PROVIDE
HEALTHCARE AND RETIREMENT.
>> CURRENTLY UBER AND LYFT DO
NOT OFFER THESE PROTECTIONS OR
BENEFITS.
I WANT TO SPEND A MOMENT TO
TALK ABOUT UNDERSTANDING THE
VARIOUS PHASES INVOLVED IN
DRIVING.
IN A TYPICAL SITUATION, YOU
HAVE THREE PHASES AND TIMES.
YOU HAVE THE PUBLIC AT ONE
TIME.
THIS IS THE TIME THE DRIVER IS
LOGGED ON TO THE APP.
SOMETIMES THEY ARE LOGGED ON TO
MULTIPLE APPS.
AND THEY ARE WAITING FOR A TRIP
REQUEST FOR A PASSENGER.
THAT COULD BE THEY ARE CIRCLING
OR THEY ARE PARKED SOMEWHERE
STRATEGICALLY WAITING.
THIS IS WHEN YOU PICK UP YOUR
PHONE AND YOU SUMMONS THE UBER
OR LYFT.
THE DRIVER WILL ACCEPT THE RIDE
AND THEN THEY HEAD TO BREAK TO
PICK YOU UP.
THE TIME THEY SPEND TO PICK YOU
UP IS NOT INCLUDED.
THEN THERE IS THE P THREE-TIME
WHICH IS THE TIME THE PASSENGER
IS PICKED UP AND TAKEN TO THE
DESTINATION.
THAT TIME IS CONSIDERED THE P3
TIME.
THAT IS THE TIME THAT IS
CURRENTLY COMPENSATED BY THE
COMPANIES.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT P1.
THIS IS TIME THAT IS SORT OF IN
THE GRAY AREA OF UNDERSTANDING
HOW THIS BUSINESS AND
COMPENSATION MODEL WORKS.
BASICALLY, OTHER STUDIES,
INCLUDING ONE COMMISSIONED BY
UBER AND LYFT SHOW THAT DRIVERS
SPEND SOME PORTION OF EACH OF
ARE CIRCLING OR WAITING. THAT
IS THE P1 TIME.
THE UBER AND LYFT STUDY, IT WAS
RELEASED.
IT IS SHOWN THAT TWO THIRDS OF
MILES TRAVELED, WERE DRIVEN IN
P1.
UBER AND LYFT REVISED THE
ESTIMATE TO 40%.
IN TERMS OF CONTEXT, 40% OF ALL
MILES DRIVEN ARE DRIVEN IN THE
PUBLIC AT ONE TIME WHICH TO
REMIND YOU IS NOT COMPENSATED.
THIS IS, NEW YORK CITY LOOKING
AT THIS AND THEY FOUND THAT
EVERY HOUR, 25 MINUTES IS IDLE
TIME.
SO YOU ARE ESSENTIALLY NOT
GETTING PAID FOR THE 25 MINUTES
OF EVERY HOUR YOU WORK.
AS A REMINDER, THE CORE
PRINCIPLE OF THE BUSINESS MODEL
IS THAT WHEN YOU PICK UP YOUR
PHONE, YOU SEE THE CARS
CIRCLING AND YOU ARE ABLE TO
GET A CAR IN A REASONABLE
AMOUNT OF TIME.
THIS REQUIRES DRIVERS --
MIMIC.
>> LET ME ASK A QUESTION.
I ASSUME TECHNOLOGY NOW ALLOWS
UBER, LYFT AND THE CITY TO KNOW
IF THEY ARE IN P1 WHEN THEY
ACTIVATE, SOMETHING THAT
TRIGGERS US TO BE ABLE TO TIME
THAT.
>> THE CITY DOES NOT HAVE
THAT INFORMATION.
>> SO THE TNC MUST HAVE THE
ABILITY TO TRACK?
>> I CANNOT SPECULATE TO THAT
BUT I WOULD IMAGINE.
>> WHERE I'M GOING WITH THIS
IS, APPARENTLY THEY HAVE THE
ABILITY BECAUSE THEY ARE
SHOWING US HOW MUCH TIME IS IN
P1.
SO THEY TRACK IT SOMEHOW.
SO IS THE COMPENSATION FOR P1
-- P2 IS WHEN THEY ARE
TRANSPORTING SOME PERSON.
>> P2 IS WHEN THEY ARE GOING
TO PICK SOMEONE UP.
>> SO WE ARE JUST TRYING TO
FIGURE OUT THE DURATION FOR P1
AND P3 AND THEN TRY TO COME UP
WITH A MINIMUM WAGE.
IT IS NOT AS THOUGH WE ARE
SAYING YOU ARE PAID THE SAME
FOR P1 AND P3 PICK THE POINT IS
THEY ARE WORKING AND IT IS ALL
PART OF THE CONTINUUM OF
PROVIDING THE SERVICE.
MY QUESTION IS, CAN THE SYSTEM
BE GAMED AT ALL.
SO IF SOMEBODY IS ON P1 ALL DAY,
I'M ON FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS
AND THEY TURNED DOWN RIDES.
IS THE TECHNOLOGY THERE AS SUCH
THAT WE CAN ACCURATELY PREDICT
WHAT IS P1, P2 AND P3 AND ARE
THE SAFEGUARDS THEY ARE TO
PREVENT GAMING OF THE SYSTEM?
>> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
THAT IS WHY THE MAYOR IS
PROPOSING THAT WE STUDY THIS
AND UNDERSTAND THE BUSINESS
BETTER BECAUSE I THINK THERE IS
A QUESTION ON HOW DO WE KNOW
WHAT TIME IS BEING SPENT AS P1
AND HOW DO YOU MAKE SURE IT IS
WORK TIME VERSUS SOMEBODY
SITTING ON THE COUCH BEING
LOGGED ON TO THE APP.
I THINK THIS IS WHAT WE ARE
HOPING TO DIG INTO IN THE STUDY
. NEW YORK APPROACHED IT
SLIGHTLY DIFFERENTLY.
ULTIMATELY, WHAT WE WANT TO
MAKE SURE IS THAT TIME THERE IS
FAIRLY COMPENSATED.
>> I SUPPORT THAT 100%.
I'M CURIOUS AS TO WHAT THE TNC
WOULD SAY.
I JUST DON'T KNOW.
>> ONE OF THE COMPLICATIONS
IS THAT YOU CAN BE AND P1 TIME
ON MORE THAN ONE PLATFORM AT
THE SAME TIME.
SO A DRIVER CAN HAVE BOTH APPS
ON.
SO WHAT IS THE APPROPRIATE
COMPENSATION?
AND HOW WILL IT BE SHARED
BETWEEN THEM?
SOME YEARS AGO I HAD VERY
LIMITED EXPERIENCE.
IT WAS PART OF A RESOURCE
RESEARCH FOR COUNSEL.
FROM LIMITED EXPERIENCE, I CAN
TELL YOU THAT IF YOU DON'T
RESPOND TO RIDES THAT ARE
PAYING DO YOUR WAY AND IF YOU
TRY TO GAME THE SYSTEM, THEY
WILL KICK YOU OFF.
THAT IS PART OF THE DISCIPLINE
ON THEIR SIDE.
I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE CURRENT
MODEL IS.
YOU CAN UNDERSTAND THE BASIC
INCENTIVE.
>> THE CONCEPT IS AN
ACCEPTANCE RATE.
AND YOU NEED TO HAVE SOME
MINIMUM THRESHOLD.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT.
>> ACTUALLY, DR. NOBLE SAID
WHAT I WAS GOING TO SAY.
AND GETTING INTO THE RESEARCH
PROJECT.
>> IN TERMS OF THIS QUESTION,
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW DRIVERS
COULD GAME IT.
BECAUSE UBER, WHETHER UBER
GIVES THE ACCURATE INFORMATION
TO THE CITY OR NOT IS THE
QUESTION. BUT AS FAR AS UBER
ITSELF IS CONCERNED, THEY KNOW
WHAT THE DRIVERS ARE DOING AND
I DON'T SEE ELECTRONICALLY HOW
IT IS POSSIBLE FOR DRIVERS TO
GAME THE SYSTEM.
>> I THINK YOU ARE EXACTLY
RIGHT.
THE WHOLE CONCEPT HERE IS THAT
THE DRIVERS SHOULD BE AVAILABLE
IN A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME TO
GET TO THE PASSENGER TO BE ABLE
TO PICK THEM UP.
AND SO I THINK WHAT WE ARE
HOPING WITH THIS STUDY, BOTH
WITH INDEPENDENT RESEARCH AND
WE INVITE THE COMPANIES TO
SHARE THE DATA, IS TO
UNDERSTAND THE PHASES OF WORK.
I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE ACTUAL
PROPOSAL.
THE WORKER STANDARDS, AND THIS
IS THE FIRST ORDINANCE AND THEY
ARE NOT IN ANY PARTICULAR
ORDER.
BUT THIS ORDINANCE IS
ESSENTIALLY MANDATING THAT A
MINIMUM WAGE AND REASONABLE
EXPENSES OF DRIVERS WOULD BE
EFFECTIVE JULY 1st OF 2020.
SO STARTING IMMEDIATELY AND
PROBABLY GOING THROUGH EARLY
SPRING OF NEXT YEAR, WE WILL
CONDUCT AN INDEPENDENT STUDY TO
DETERMINE WHAT THAT
COMPENSATION STANDARD IS.
IT WILL INCLUDE VERY EXTENSIVE
COMMUNITY ENGAGEMENT INCLUDING
A VERY ROBUST SURVEY OF DRIVERS
TO GET DATA FROM DRIVERS FOR
THEIR WAGE AND COMPENSATION AND
UNDERSTANDING THIS WORK.
AND WE WILL INVITE THE
COMPANIES TO PARTICIPATE IN
THIS AND PROVIDE INFORMATION.
THEY HAVE THIS INFORMATION AND
IT REALLY IS PROBABLY THE MOST
COMPREHENSIVE WAY TO APPROACH
THIS.
AND WE ANTICIPATE THAT IT WILL
BE DONE AND WE WILL BE SENDING
DOWN AN ACTUAL ORDINANCE WHICH
WILL SPECIFY THE MINIMUM
COMPENSATION TO BE CONSIDERED.
TO TALK ABOUT THE STUDY A
LITTLE BIT, THE STUDY WILL BE
SIMILAR TO THE ONE THAT NEW
YORK CITY DID A COUPLE OF YEARS
AGO.
AND IT WILL LOOK AT MINUTES AND
MILES AND THE APPLICATION
INCLUDING ALL THREE PHASES.
IT WILL LOOK AT AVERAGE DRIVER
EXPENSES WE TALKED ABOUT COMING
ON MILEAGE EXPENSES AND
BENEFITS WE TALKED ABOUT
EARLIER AND WE WANT TO
UNDERSTAND THE CORRELATION AND
IMPACT OF THE MINIMUM WAGE AND
BENEFITS AND DRIVER EARNINGS.
ONE FEAR WE HAVE HEARD IS THE
COMPANIES HAVE BASICALLY TOLD
DRIVERS THAT IF THIS GOES INTO
EFFECT, YOU WILL EARN LESS.
WE NEED TO UNDERSTAND HOW THESE
FACTORS INTERPLAY WITH EACH
OTHER.
AND WE WILL CONDUCT ROBUST
OUTREACH.
>> .
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA
AND.
>> .
>> IF YOU ARE A CHECKER AT A
GROCERY STORE AND YOU WERE
SITTING THERE WAITING FOR YOUR
NEXT CUSTOMER TO COME UP, YOU
ARE STILL WAITING.
I OFFER THAT AS A FRAME OF
REFERENCE AS WE TALK ABOUT P1
TIMES AND HOW THAT MIGHT COMPLY
WITH FOLKS.
I HAD A QUESTION ABOUT THE STUDY
THAT IS BEING OFFERED FOR
CONSIDERATION.
A PREVIEW OF THE STUDY THAT WE
ARE TALKING ABOUT HERE SAID
THAT IT IS GOING TO LOOK AT THE
AVERAGE AND MEDIAN MILEAGE
DRIVEN BY TNC DRIVERS AND THE
TNC ENDORSED VEHICLE FOR
PURPOSES PERSONAL.
GIVEN THAT A LOT OF THESE FOLKS
ARE DRIVING CARS THEY PURCHASED
WITH THEIR OWN MONEY, THIS IS
THE OFFICE.
THIS IS THEIR LIVELIHOOD. THEY
MAY BE USING THEIR CAR FOR
PERSONAL PURPOSES, TAKING KIDS
TO SCHOOL AFTER THEY ARE DONE
WORKING.
ARE WE MAKING A DISTINCTION
BETWEEN THE TIME THEY ARE ON
THE, USING THEIR TIME FOR WORK
PURPOSES VERSUS WHAT THEY ARE
DOING AND THEIR PERSONAL TIME?
I ASSUME THE ANSWER IS YES.
OTHERWISE IT WOULD LOOK LIKE AN
INVASION OF DRIVER PRIVACY.
>> I THINK THIS IS FOR US TO
UNDERSTAND IN THE INDUSTRY.
THERE IS A WIDE DIVERSITY OF
DRIVERS.
SOME DO THIS ONE WEEKEND A
MONTH.
DRIVERS THAT DRIVE FULL-TIME.
I THINK IT IS REALLY TO GET A
MORE COMPREHENSIVE
UNDERSTANDING OF HOW PEOPLE ARE
USING THEIR CARS FOR THE
BUSINESS PURPOSE, WHICH IS TO
DRIVE FOR UBER AND LYFT AND
UNDERSTAND THAT RELATIVE TO
PERSONAL.
SO IT ISN'T MEANT TO MAKE A
POLICY JUDGMENT MORE TO GET A
MORE COMPREHENSIVE LOOK AT
EXPENSES.
>> DOES THE BUDGET AS
TRANSMITTED TO COUNSEL INCLUDE
FUNDING FOR THE STUDY?
>> THE STUDY WILL BE
CONDUCTED WITH EXISTING
RESOURCES.
>> THERE ARE EXISTING
RESOURCES AND EXISTING
REGULATORY WORK OF THE TAX
INDUSTRY.
>> PLEASE PROCEED.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PLEASE.
>> DO YOU ALREADY HAVE
SOMEONE ORGANIZE AND IT OR AN
ORGANIZATION IN MIND TO LEAVE
THE STUDY?
>> THAT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I SHOULD GIVE YOU A LITTLE
DETAIL ABOUT THE STUDY.
THERE WILL BE TWO COMPONENTS.
ONE IS THE DATA COMPONENT WHICH
IS GOING OUT AND RANDOMLY
SERVING DRIVERS SO THAT IT IS
ACADEMICALLY RIGOROUS.
SO WE ANTICIPATE A DIFFERENT
FIRM WILL CONDUCT THE WORK.
AND THE STUDY ITSELF, WE HAVE
TO DO SOME WORK TO SCOPE IT AND
BASED ON THE SCOPE, I WILL BE
TRANSPARENT.
IT IS A VERY NICH AREA OF WORK.
WE ANTICIPATE THAT THERE WILL
BE A SHORT LIST OF PEOPLE WHO
ARE QUALIFIED AND HAVE THE
CREDIBILITY TO DO THIS
INDEPENDENT STUDY.
>> THE SECOND COMPONENT IS A
SEPARATE ORDINANCE AND IS THE
ESTABLISHMENT OF THE FIRST OF
ITS KIND DRIVER RESOLUTION
CENTER.
THIS IS ESSENTIALLY AN
ORGANIZATION THAT WILL PROVIDE
UBER AND LYFT DRIVER SUPPORT
THROUGH IMPARTIAL ARBITRATION
AND AN APPEALS PROCESS FOR
RESOLVING CLAIMS.
JUST A LITTLE BIT IN TERMS OF
WHAT EXISTS RIGHT NOW.
CURRENTLY, UBER AND LYFT ARE
ABLE TO DEACTIVATE DRIVERS FOR
A VARIETY OF REASONS. THE
CURRENT PROCESS IS, IF A DRIVER
APPEALS THE ARBITRATION, IT IS
FAIRLY COMPLICATED BUT ALSO
THEY GO THROUGH A PRIVATE
ARBITRATION PROCESS.
WHAT THIS IS DOING IS SEVERAL
DIFFERENT THINGS.
IT IS CREATING A NEW WORK WAY
TO BE FREE OF UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATION.
AND THAT WILL BE DEFINED IN THE
RULEMAKING.
WE HAVE HEARD ANECDOTALLY,
STORIES OF DRIVERS WHO HAVE
BEEN DEACTIVATED BECAUSE THE
CUSTOMER, GAVE THEM A POOR
RATING AND THEY WERE THROWN OFF
THE PLATFORM OVER THEY WERE IN
A COLLISION WHICH WAS NOT THEIR
FAULT BUT IT IS STILL AN
ACCIDENT ON THE RECORD.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS,
DEACTIVATION REMOVES THE
DRIVER'S ABILITY TO EARN A
WAGE.
WHAT WE WANT TO DO IS CREATE A
FAIR AND TRANSPARENT PROCESS
WITH REPRESENTATION FOR THE
DRIVER, SHOULD THEY NEED IT, TO
BE ABLE TO APPEAL THESE
UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION SPIRIT
THERE WILL BE A NEUTRAL PROCESS
WITH A NEUTRAL ARBITRATOR THAT
WILL BE REPRESENTATIONS FROM
THE COMPANY AS WELL AS THE
DRIVERS WHO CAN REPRESENT
THEMSELVES OR USE THE DRIVER
RESOLUTION CENTER.
AND THE IDEA IS TO CREATE A
FAIRLY TRANSPARENT NEUTRAL
PROCESS THAT ALLOWS FOR DRIVERS
TO BE ABLE TO CHALLENGE ANY
DEACTIVATION'S THEY BELIEVE TO
BE UNWARRANTED.
THIS IS A FIRST OF ITS KIND IN
THE COUNTRY.
I THINK A LOT OF THIS WILL BE
TO FIND IN RULEMAKING.
AND WE WILL INVITE PARTNERSHIP
FROM THE DRIVERS AND THE
COMPANIES TO BE ABLE TO SHAPE
THESE RULES.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT,
COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> THANK YOU FOR THE
INFORMATION.
I AGREE THAT WE NEED THIS KIND
OF PROTECTION.
I HEAR WHAT YOU ARE SAYING
ABOUT RULEMAKING.
HOWEVER, I THINK THIS IS
SOMETHING THAT NEEDS TO COME UP
FRONT IN THE LEGISLATION
ITSELF.
OR SOME ASPECT OF IT.
SPECIFICALLY SOME CONCERNS THAT
I HAVE AND THIS REFLECTS WHAT
WE HAVE HEARD A LOT FROM
DRIVERS.
NOT JUST RECENTLY BUT OVER THE
LAST THREE OR FOUR YEARS.
AND THAT IS, HOW WILL A CITY
ENSURE AND HOW WILL THE
LEGISLATURE ENSURE THAT THE
ARBITRATION IS AS STRONG AS THE
ARBITRATION CAUSED.
I DON'T KNOW IF THIS BELONGS IN
RULEMAKING.
WHEN A DISPUTE GOES INTO
ARBITRATION, THE ARBITRATOR
MUST BE EMPOWERED TO MAKE A
FINAL BINDING DECISION.
WHICH IS HOW A UNION CONTRACT
WOULD DEAL WITH IT.
SO HOW WILL THAT BE ADDRESSED
AND SECONDLY, I UNDERSTAND THIS
IS INITIAL BUT IT IS FINE.
I WANT TO FLAG THESE QUESTIONS.
IN A SERIOUSLY.
NOT TO SAY THAT, WE AGREE BUT
THEN LET'S PUT IT IN
RULEMAKING.
THE OTHER ASPECT IS, AND IT IS
RELATED TO WHAT I JUST SAID
WHICH IS, HOW WILL THE
LEGISLATION MAKE SURE THAT UBER
AND LYFT WHICH, EVERYTHING YOU
SAID I AGREE WITH IN TERMS OF
THE OVERWHELMING POWER THEY
HAVE, HOW WILL THE CITY ENSURE
THAT THEY DON'T KEEP MOVING THE
GOALPOST IN TERMS OF WHAT
CONSTITUTES ACTIVATION IN THEIR
EYES.
SO WHAT IS THE UNIVERSE OF
REASONS FOR WHICH UBER THINKS
DEACTIVATION SHOULD HAPPEN AND
THERE ARE GUIDELINES FOR
DRIVERS IN THE CORPORATION AND
THE ARBITRATION PROCESS HAS A
UNIFORMITY TO IT.
>> I CAN SPEAK TO A COUPLE OF
THOSE POINTS.
ON THE BINDING NATURE, IT IS IN
THE PROPOSED LEGISLATION AND
ANY DECISION BY AN ARBITRATOR
WOULD BE BINDING.
IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU ARE
GETTING AT, HOW DO WE DEFINE
UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION AND
MAKE SURE THAT IS NOT A MOVING
GOALPOST.
YOU ARE CORRECT THAT IT IS NOT
CURRENTLY DEFINED IN THE
LEGISLATION.
WE BELIEVE THAT IS SOMETHING
THAT NEEDS TO HAVE INPUT FROM
DRIVERS OR FROM THE COMPANIES
AS WELL TO DETERMINE A WORKABLE
STANDARD.
WE HAVE PROPOSED AT THIS POINT
TO HAVE THAT DEFERRED TO A
RULEMAKING PROCESS.
>> I TOTALLY AGREE WITH YOU
THAT YOU NEED A LOT OF INPUT
FROM THE DRIVERS.
BUT I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP
WITH YOU IN TERMS OF WHERE THIS
FALLS.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
SO TWO QUESTIONS.
ONE IS, CAN YOU SPEAK TO THE
DEACTIVATION PROCESS BEING
VOLUNTARY OR WHETHER OR NOT THE
TNC DRIVERS HAVE AN ABSOLUTE
RIGHT TO CHALLENGE THE
DEACTIVATION.
JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THERE IS
CONSISTENCY IN THE LEGISLATION
AND DOES THE RIGHT TO DISPUTE
RESOLUTION PROCESS APPLIED TO
BOTH WARRANTED AND UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATION'S?
THE SECOND QUESTION.
I'M WONDERING WHO BEARS THE
COST OF THE ARBITRATION.
I KNOW IT IS USUALLY BOTH
PARTIES OR ONE PARTY.
THE LEGISLATION WE ARE LOOKING
AT SAYS THAT THE WORKER IS ARE
PRESENTED BY THE DRIVER
RESOLUTION CENTER AND SPLITS
THE COST OF ARBITRATION IF THE
WORKER IS SELF REPRESENTED.
AND TNC BEARS ALL THE COST.
CAN YOU SPEAK TO WHAT THE
INCENTIVES WOULD BE SO WE CAN
GET MORE OF THE COMPANIES TO
ENGAGE IN THE PROCESS?
>> THE FIRST QUESTION WAS
AROUND THE VOLUNTARY NATURE.
THE CURRENT SYSTEM EFFECTIVELY
IS THAT DRIVERS ENTER INTO A
CONTRACT WITH TNC WHEN THEY
SIGN-UP TO PROVIDE SERVICES.
THOSE CONTRACTS HAVE A PRIVATE
ARBITRATION CLAUSE.
TO AVOID A CONFLICT WITH THOSE
PROVISIONS, WHAT WE HAVE DONE
IS CREATED A PROCESS BY WHICH
THE PARTIES CAN AGREE TO TAKE
WHAT I WILL CALL THE CITY
PROCESS, THE CITY RESOLUTION
PROCESS.
THAT IS A VOLUNTARY, BOTH
PARTIES NEED TO AGREE.
WE BELIEVE THERE IS A
SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE TO DO
THAT.
THEY HAVE AN INTEREST IN
RESOLVING ISSUES QUICKLY THE
WAY DRIVERS DO.
THIS PROVIDES ADDITIONAL
CLARITY IN TERMS OF HOW THE
PROCESS IS RESOLVED.
AND WE HAVE THE FINANCIAL
INCENTIVE BECAUSE IT PROMISES
TO BE LESS COSTLY TO THE TNC AS
COMPARED TO THE CURRENT
ARBITRATION PROCESS WHERE THEY
BEAR THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE
COST OF THE PRIVATE ARBITRATION
PROCESS.
AND SO THE SECOND QUESTION WAS
-- MY.
>> I DID NOT FULLY UNDERSTAND
THE ANSWER ON THE FIRST ONE.
I UNDERSTAND IT IS A CONTRACT
BETWEEN THE DRIVER AND THE TNC.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THEY CAN GO
EITHER WAY?
THEY CAN USE THE CITY SANCTION
PROCESS OR PROCEED WITH THE TNC
SO THE DRIVER HAS THE CHOICE.
IS THAT YOUR ANSWER?
>> CORRECT.
>> I THOUGHT WE WERE CREATING
ONE CENTER TO GET CONSISTENCY.
>> LET ME CLARIFY.
WHAT IS THE DRIVE RESOLUTION
CENTER DO AND WHAT DOES THE
VENUE IN WHICH A DRIVER PURSUES
A REMEDY?
THE RESOLUTION CENTER CAN
REPRESENT A DRIVER AT PRIVATE
ARBITRATION OR THROUGH THE CITY
PROCESS.
THERE ARE NO RESTRICTIONS ON
THAT.
THE VENUE IN WHICH THEY PURSUE
THE REMEDY IS THE WHERE THE TWO
PATHS EXIST.
AND IN ORDER TO PURSUE THE CITY
PATH, THE PARTIES MUST AGREE TO
PURSUE THAT.
AND IT IS STRUCTURED IN THAT
WAY TO AVOID ANY ISSUES RELATED
TO THE EXISTING CONTRACTS THE
DRIVERS HAVE.
>> IF THE DRIVER SAYS, I WANT
TO GO THE CITY PATH AND THE TNC
SAYS NO, I DON'T WANT TO GO THE
CITY PATH, WHAT HAPPENS?
>> THEY CANNOT PROCEED DOWN
THE CITY PATH AND IF THE DRIVER
STILL WANTS TO PURSUE A REMEDY,
THEY COULD PURSUE PRIVATE
ARBITRATION.
AND THEY WOULD HAVE THE OPTION
OF HAVING REPRESENTATION
THROUGH THE DRIVER RESOURCE
CENTER.
>> SO WAS THEIR CONSIDERATION
AND PREPARING THE LEGISLATION
TO JUST MAKE IT MANDATORY THAT
THEY GO THE CITY PATH?
>> THERE IS CONSIDERATION.
WE THOUGHT THE BEST PATH GIVEN
THE EXISTENCE OF THE CONTRACTS
I MENTIONED, WAS TO MAKE IT A
VOLUNTARY PROCESS.
AS I MENTIONED, WE THINK THERE
IS A SIGNIFICANT INCENTIVE FOR
BOTH PARTIES TO AGREE TO PURSUE
THAT PATH.
>> WHAT ARE THE INCENTIVES?
COUNCILMEMBER HERBOLD.
>> THE INCENTIVES ARE
EFFECTIVELY THAT IT WILL BE A
QUICKER PROCESS.
THERE IS GREATER CLARITY.
THE TNC ALSO HAS AN INTEREST IN
RESOLVING THE ISSUES QUICKLY
AND THERE IS A FINANCIAL
INCENTIVE.
PRIVATE ARBITRATION AS WE HAVE
ESTIMATED COSTS BETWEEN 5-
$10,000 FOR THE TNC UNDER THE
CONTRACT.
THEY BEAR THE VAST MAJORITY OF
THE COST.
IN THIS PROCESS, THE COST WOULD
BE SPLIT.
SO THE COST WOULD BE
SIGNIFICANTLY LESS.
IN ADDITION, THIS WOULD LIKELY
CREATE A MUCH QUICKER PROCESS
WHERE RESOLUTION WOULD HAVE
BEEN OVER ONE OR TWO DAY
PERIOD.
IT COULD HAVE BEEN FOR MULTIPLE
DRIVERS IN A SINGLE DAY.
>> THAT WOULD BE MY
OBJECTIVE.
AFTER HAVING SPOKEN TO MANY
DRIVERS, BOTH UBER AND LYFT
THAT HAVE BEEN PUT OFF THE
SYSTEM.
IN ONE CASE, AN INDIVIDUAL TOLD
ME THAT, IT WAS SOMETHING ANY
OF US WOULD SAY, YOU CANNOT
HAVE THIS BEHAVIOR IN THE
BACKSEAT OF MY CAR.
AND HE WAS PUT OFF FOR 14 DAYS.
AND THIS WAS HIS SOLE FINANCIAL
INCOME FOR HIS FAMILY.
AND IT TOOK THAT LONG FOR HIM
TO GET A WARM BODY TO TALK TO
HIM AND REINSTATE HIM.
SO I WOULD HOPE THAT THIS IS
MORE THAN JUST AN OPTION AND
MAYBE YOU TRIED TO GET IT TO BE
SOMETHING THAT THE PARTIES
WOULD AGREE TO.
BUT AN INDIVIDUAL LIKE THIS,
THIS IS THE WAY HE DESCRIBED
THE STORY.
IT WAS LIKE 14 DAYS, WHICH IS A
HALF MONTH WHERE HE HAD NO
INCOME WHERE THEY RESOLVED IT
AND SAID, YOU ARE RIGHT.
YOU ARE BACK ON.
BUT NO REIMBURSEMENT FOR HIM.
SO I WOULD HOPE THE INCENTIVES
ARE GOOD ENOUGH THAT THE
COMPANIES WOULD SAY YES.
>> WE WILL LET YOU BACK ON IN
A MINUTE.
>> CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE
PARAMETERS FOR SELECTING THE
NONPROFIT.
IN ADDITION TO THAT, ONE OF THE
THINGS I FEEL LIKE I HAVE HEARD
CONSISTENTLY THROUGH VARIOUS
DEPARTMENTS WAS THE NEED FOR
MORE OUTREACH AND ENGAGEMENT.
SPECIFICALLY COMPETENT
ENGAGEMENT.
IF YOU ALREADY DEFINED WHAT
THAT WILL LOOK LIKE FOR THE
RESOLUTION CENTER AND BEING
PROACTIVE ABOUT THE OUTREACH.
>> I DON'T THINK THERE IS A
SINGLE SENTENCE DEFINITION OF
WHAT THAT MEANS.
IT IS ALREADY IN THE PROPOSED
LEGISLATION THAT THE DRIVER
RESOLUTION CENTER SHOULD HAVE
THE ABILITY TO PROVIDE
CULTURALLY COMPETENT EDUCATION
SERVICES AND THE REPRESENTATION
ALSO INCLUDES THAT COMPETENCY.
>> AND WE WILL BE ISSUING A
COMPETITIVE RFP FOR THIS
PROCESS SO WHEN WE SCOPED THE
RFP, THAT WILL BE ONE OF THE
CORE COMPONENTS WE WILL BE
LOOKING FOR WHEN WE SELECT AN
ORGANIZATION TO PROVIDE THOSE
SERVICES.
>> MADAM CHAIR, I THINK THERE
WERE A FEW MORE QUESTIONS YOU
WERE GETTING TO.
>> I THINK THE NEXT ONE WAS
WHETHER THE DRIVER WOULD HAVE
THE RIGHT TO CHALLENGE
WARRANTED AN UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATION'S.
THEY HAVE A RIGHT TO BE FREE
FROM UNWARRANTED DEACTIVATION
STRIKE THAT WOULD EFFECTIVELY
BE THE ISSUE AT THESE
ARBITRATIONS, WHETHER OR NOT
THE DEACTIVATION WAS WARRANTED.
THAT WOULD BE WHAT IS TRYING TO
BE ESTABLISHED AT THE HEARINGS.
DID THE COUNCILMEMBER HAVE
ADDITIONAL?
>> THE LAST QUESTION. ON,
WHAT IS THE INCENTIVE?
YOU SPOKE A LITTLE BIT TO IT.
BUT THE TIMING, THE LESS COST,
THOSE OF THE ASSUMPTIONS BUILT
IN.
>> THAT IS EXACTLY RIGHT.
WE THINK THE COST OF THE
ARBITRATION WILL BE
SIGNIFICANTLY LESS FOR BOTH
PARTIES.
FIRST OF ALL, IT WILL BE SPLIT.
THE SPEED AT WHICH IT CAN BE
HANDLED WOULD BE QUICKER.
AND WE HOPE THERE WOULD BE A
NUMBER OF ARBITRATORS THAT ARE
VERSED IN THIS AND ABLE TO
HANDLE THEM QUICKLY.
THAT IS SORT OF THE CORE
INCENTIVE AND ADVANTAGE OF THE
SYSTEM.
>> I WANT TO SPEND A FEW
MOMENTS DISCUSSING THE TAX AND
INVESTMENT PROPOSAL.
THIS WILL BE ITS OWN ORDINANCE.
CURRENTLY, AS YOU ARE AWARE,
WE, THE CITY CHARGES THE TNC,
BASICALLY RIDESHARE, A 24 CENTS
PER RIDE FEE WHICH GOES TOWARD
REGULATING THE INDUSTRY AS WELL
AS PROVIDING WHEELCHAIR
ACCESSIBLE TAXIS.
THE PROPOSAL UNDER
CONSIDERATION IS TO INCREASE
THAT TO RESULT IN A TOTAL PER
RIDE CHARGE OF 75 CENTS.
THIS WILL CREATE REVENUE TO
FUND THE FOLLOWING.
THE DRIVER CENTER FUND AND THE
COMPLETION OF THE CENTER CITY
CONNECTOR STREETCAR IN ALLOWS
THE CITY TO INVEST IN MORE THAN
500 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING
NEAR TRANSIT HUBS.
IN CONCERT, FAS IS WORKING TO
REDUCE THE CURRENT FEE WHICH IS
AT 14 CENTS.
YOU HAVE THE ORDINANCE THAT WE
HAVE SET DOWN FOR YOUR
CONSIDERATION TO REDUCE THAT
FEE.
AND I SHOULD FLAG THAT THIS
TEXT COMPONENT WILL ONLY REACH
úTHE THRESHOLD.
SO ANY TNC COMPANY THAT
PROVIDES MORE THAN A MILLION
RIDES A QUARTER WILL BE SUBJECT
TO THE TAX.
CURRENTLY THAT IS UBER AND
LYFT.
BUT IF THE MARKET CHANGES AND
OTHER COMPANIES REACH THE
THRESHOLD, THEY WOULD BE
SUBJECT TO THE TAX.
THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM THE FEES
WHICH EVERYONE PAYS CURRENTLY.
SO I JUST WANT TO COMPARE WHY
THE 75 CENTS, JUST SO YOU HAVE
A SENSE OF CONTEXT, THE 75
CENTS IS FAIRLY COMPARABLE TO
OTHER SIMILAR SIZED MARKETS
SAYING CHICAGO, WASHINGTON DC
ALL HAVE COMPARABLE FEES.
NEW YORK CITY HAS A $2.75 PER
CHARGE, PER RIDE.
IN TERMS OF WHY THE NUMBER WAS
SET THAT WAY, IS WE WANT TO
BETTER UNDERSTAND WHAT THE
MINIMUM WAGE REQUIREMENT IS
GOING, HOW THAT IS GOING TO
INTERACT WITH THE TAX.
BY SETTING IT AT WHAT WE THINK
IS A REASONABLE LEVEL, IT
ALLOWS US TO MAKE SURE THAT WE
ARE ENSURING THAT DRIVERS
CONTINUE TO RECEIVE MORE WAGES.
I SHOULD ALSO FLAG THAT IN
MARKETS WHERE THEY RAISE THE
TAXES AND FEES, CHICAGO AND NEW
YORK IN PARTICULAR, THEY STILL
SAW AN INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP.
AND CHICAGO, IT WAS 14% MORE
AFTER THE TAX WENT INTO PLACE
AND IN NEW YORK CITY, IT WAS
18% MORE.
SO AS WE UNDERSTAND THIS RIGHT
NOW IN TERMS OF, YOU PERHAPS
HAVE SEEN SOME E-MAILS FROM
THEM AND TALKING ABOUT HOW THIS
WILL HAVE A SIGNIFICANT IMPACT.
THE DATA PROVES OTHERWISE IN
OTHER CITIES.
SO QUICKLY, BY THE NUMBERS, THE
FIRST 226 MILLION OF THIS FUND,
AFTER ADMINISTERED OF HIS
EXPENSES, WILL GO TOWARD THE
FOLLOWING, 17.75 MILLION FOR
WORKER PROTECTIONS.
56 MILLION TO FULLY FUND THE
CITY CONNECTOR AND $52 MILLION
FOR HOUSING NEAR TRANSIT.
AFTER A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME,
WHEN WE FRONTLOAD THE
AFFORDABLE HOUSING INVESTMENTS,
THE PROPOSAL IS SEEKING TO
INVEST THE REMAINING REVENUE
FROM THE TAX INTO TRANSIT
BICYCLE AND PEDESTRIAN
PROJECTS.
>> COUNCILMEMBER MOSQUEDA.
>> ON SLIDE 17 BEFORE WE GET
TO HOW THE FUNDING WILL BE
ALLOCATED, CAN WE LOOK AT THE
TAX ONE MORE TIME?
SLIDE 17.
IN THE 2020 BUDGET, DO WE SEE
THE IMPLICATIONS OF THE FEE?
AND WHEN WILL WE BEGIN
ANTICIPATING THE FUNDING COMING
IN?
WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE SUBSEQUENT
CHART WHERE YOU SHOWED THE
COMPARISON BETWEEN SEATTLE AND
OTHER CITIES, DO WE KNOW, DID
THEY LAND ON A DOLLAR AMOUNT
FIRST?
OR DID THEY DO A PERCENTAGE?
AND WHY DID WE DECIDE TO GO
WITH A DOLLAR AMOUNT VERSUS A
PERCENTAGE?
AND THEN YOU STARTED MENTIONING
ABOUT INDIVIDUALS WITH
DISABILITIES AND FOLKS THAT ARE
USING RIDESHARE.
I KNOW FROM OUR EXPERIENCE,
WORKING WITH THE LIEUTENANT
GOVERNOR, HE TALKED ABOUT HOW
RIDESHARE IS HAVE HELPED HIM BE
MORE MOILE.
WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AT THE
PRESS CONFERENCE TODAY.
THERE ARE OPPORTUNITIES THAT
PRESENT THEMSELVES WITH
RIDESHARE WHERE IF FOLKS ARE
HAVING A HARD TIME TALKING TO
THE BUS WALKING TO THE BUS, ARE
THERE FEES FOR FOLKS WITH
LIMITED MOBILITY.
>> I THINK TWO FOLD.
AS I MENTIONED, 10 CENTS OF THE
24 CENTS WE ALREADY CHARGE GOES
TOWARD WHEEL TAX, ACCESSIBLE
TAXIS.
THE GOAL IS TO EXPAND THAT.
CURRENTLY THERE ARE ONLY 50 AN
OPERATION WHICH DOES NOT
REFLECT THE NEED.
WORKING WITH THE COUNTY,
BECAUSE THE ISSUE THE
ACCELERATE THAT. T TO
SECONDLY, I THINK WE THINK OF
THAT MORE COMPREHENSIVELY AS
INVESTMENTS.
AND ALLOWING PEOPLE MORE
OPTIONS.
I DO WANT TO RECOGNIZE THAT
THERE ARE SOME FOLKS THAT TAKE
THE TNC BECAUSE IT IS OFFERING
THE MOST CONVENIENT OPTION IN
TERMS OF LIMITED ABILITY.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK ABOUT A
FIXED FEE VERSUS THE
PERCENTAGE.
WE CLEARLY HAVE THE AUTHORITY
TO TAX THIS ACTIVITY THE
STRUCTURE OF THAT TAX HOWEVER
IS INFLUENCED BY THE TAXING
AUTHORITY GRANTED TO US BY THE
STATE OF WASHINGTON.
WE CAN GIVE MORE DETAIL ON THAT
BUT PERHAPS BETTER IN AN
EXECUTIVE SESSION.
>> COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN.
>> A QUICK QUESTION ON THE
MATH.
THE $126 MILLION, THAT IS FIVE
YEARS?
>> IT IS FIVE.
HERE IS THE REALITY.
IT IS A GREAT DEAL OF
UNCERTAINTY PROTECTING THE
REVENUE STREAM.
LET ME EXPLAIN WHY.
WE HAVE GOOD DATA ON THE NUMBER
OF RIDES BECAUSE OF THE CURRENT
REGULATORY STRUCTURE.
WHAT WE ARE LOOKING AT GOING
FORWARD IS THE INHERENT GROWTH
IN THE BUSINESS.
IT HAS BEEN GROWING VERY
QUICKLY.
HOW LONG CAN THAT GROWTH
CONTINUE?
WE MADE AN ASSUMPTION OF
RELATIVELY MODEST GROWTH GOING
FORWARD.
I CAN TELL YOU WHAT THE
HISTORIC PATTERN OF GROWTH IS.
IT IS REALLY AN UNKNOWN SPACE.
IN ADDITION, WHEN WE MOVED TO
THE COMPENSATION MODEL AND WE
IMPOSE A MINIMUM WAGE OF SOME
FORM, THAT WILL INFLUENCE THE
PRICE THAT WE BELIEVE USERS ARE
CHARGED WHICH WILL HAVE SOME
EFFECT ON THE QUANTITY.
AND WE DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT
THAT EITHER.
OUR BEST GUESS RIGHT NOW IS
THAT IT IS IN THE FIVE AND A
HALF, TO SIX YEAR RANGE.
WE HAVE BEEN VAGUE ABOUT THAT.
THERE IS UNCERTAINTY.
WE HAVE MADE $125 MILLION
REVENUE AND THE PRIORITIES WE
HAVE FOR IT.
>> MY QUICK MATH, IF THERE
ARE 24 MILLION RIDES AND WE ARE
ADDING ANOTHER 50 CENTS, THAT
IS 12 MILLION OTHERS A YEAR
WHICH WOULD BE ABOUT 10 YEARS
TO HIT THAT AMOUNT.
SO YOU MUST BE ASSUMING SOME
PRETTY GOOD GROWTH HERE.
>> WE CAN GIVE YOU ALL THE
UNDERLYING ESTIMATES.
FOR THE FIRST YEAR, IT IS ABOUT
A HALF YEAR.
>> SO 20 INITIALLY WITHIN
GROWING.
AND THE QUESTION OF HOW MUCH IT
GROWS, TIME WILL TELL MORE THAN
ANYTHING.
>> MY POLICY QUESTION IS, YOU
ARE USING AN EXAMPLE WORKED 40%
OF THE TRIPS IN THE
NEIGHBORHOOD DURING RUSH HOUR,
FROM A CONGESTION REDUCTION,
THAT IS THE TIME WE CARE THE
MOST ABOUT.
WHY CHOOSE A FLAT RATE AS
OPPOSED TO A VARIABLE-RATE THAT
COULD HAVE AN ADDED BENEFIT OF
INFLUENCING MODE SHIFTS DURING
RUSH HOUR?
>> IT IS A GOOD QUESTION.
I WANT TO START WITH SAYING
THAT THE MAYOR IS COMMITTED TO
BROAD-BASED COMMISSION PRICING
IN THE CITY.
AS WE LOOKED AT THE COMPLEXITY
OF DOING A SURCHARGE DURING
CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME, GEO-
FENCING, WHERE THERE WAS
POTENTIAL AND YOU WOULD PICK UP
ACROSS THE STREET TO AVOID THE
CHARGE, JUST GIVEN THE LIMITED
UNDERSTANDING OF THE DATA AND
HOW WE GET ORIGIN DESTINATION
ZIP CODES AND WE GET THEM IN
AGGREGATE.
IT FELT LIKE, IN TERMS OF A
POLICY PERSPECTIVE, AND QUITE
FRANKLY, THE REALITY IS HALF OF
THOSE RIDES, NO MATTER THE TIME
OF THE DAY THEY ARE HAPPENING,
ARE HAPPENING IN THAT CORE.
ULTIMATELY IT CAME DOWN TO A
POLICY DECISION AND NO MATTER
WHETHER THEY ARE IN SOUTH LAKE
UNION OR OTHER PARTS OF THE
CITY, THEY HAVE THE IMPACT ON
THE RIGHT-OF-WAY.
SO IT CAME DOWN TO THE BEST
AVAILABLE DATA AND THE
COMPLEXITY OF DOING THAT TYPE
OF SURCHARGE DURING CERTAIN
TIMES OF THE DAY.
WE ENDED UP WITH A FLAT RATE AS
A MODEL.
>> AS A FOLLOW-UP TO
COUNCILMEMBER O'BRIEN'S
QUESTION, I WOULD KNOW, LOVE TO
KNOW THAT IF WE HAVE THE DATA,
WHAT PERCENTAGE OF DOWNTOWN CAR
TRIPS THAT ARE TNC TRIPS ARE
DURING THE PEAK HOURS.
>> I CAN SPEAK TO THAT.
WE DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE
TIMESTAMPS.
WE ONLY GET ORIGIN DESTINATION
BY QUARTER.
WE DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY
INSIGHT INTO WINDOWS RIDES ARE
HAPPENING.
>> COUNCILMEMBER SAWANT, I
KNOW YOU HAVE TO LEAVE.
>> THANK YOU CHAIR BAGSHAW.
I APOLOGIZE TO THE DRIVERS THAT
I WON'T BE HERE FOR THE PUBLIC
TESTIMONY.
I HAVE TO GO TO ANOTHER
MEETING.
I QUICKLY WANT TO ASK A
QUESTION.
I DON'T IMAGINE AND IF YOU
ALREADY HAD A DISCUSSION ABOUT
THIS, THAT IS FANTASTIC.
I WILL BE EAGER TO HEAR.
BUT IT IS SOMETHING I WOULD
LIKE TO FOLLOW UP ON.
THAT RELATES TO THE QUESTION
OF, THE ISSUE OF HOW MANY
TAXICAB DRIVERS BASICALLY,
THEIR LIVES WERE WIPED OUT WHEN
UBER AND LYFT CAME TO TOWN AND
YOU ALLUDED TO THAT BECAUSE
MANY OF THEM, AND
DISPROPORTIONATELY EAST AFRICAN
AND SOUTH ASIAN ORIGIN,
ACQUIRED A LOT OF DEBT.
AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW,
THE MARKET IS FLOODED WITH UBER
AND LYFT.
AND THEN MANY OF THOSE DRIVERS
WENT INTO DEBT GETTING THE
MEDALLION IN THE FIRST PLACE
AND THEY BECAME UBER DRIVERS.
AND IT BECAME A DOWNWARD
SPIRAL.
AND THEN THE NEED FOR SUICIDE
PREVENTION AND ALL OF THAT.
THAT OBVIOUSLY RELATES TO THE
DESPERATION THE FAMILIES ARE
FEELING BECAUSE OF HAVING GONE
INTO DEBT.
AND NOW FOR NOTHING AT ALL.
MY QUESTION IS, IN THE FAIR
SHARE PROGRAM THAT THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE IS DEVELOPING WITH OTHER
ENTITIES, HAS THERE BEEN SOME
TALK TO HOW UBER AND LYFT CAN
BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THE
DEBT THAT SO MANY DRIVERS ARE
INCURRING AND IS THERE ANY
CONDUIT TO ADDRESS THAT IN SOME
WAY.
IT SEEMS LIKE EVERYTHING YOU
HAVE TALKED ABOUT IS EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT ENSURING WAGES AND SO
ON.
BUT THIS IS A BIG PART OF WHAT
THE DRIVER POPULATION HAS
SUFFERED FROM.
>> THAT IS A GOOD POINT.
TAXIS ARE REGULATED.
WE REGULATE TAXIS AND
PARTNERSHIP WITH KING COUNTY
AND THERE IS A PARALLEL EFFORT
HAPPENING WITH KING COUNTY TO
SEEK TO MODERNIZE AND CREATE A
NEW SET OF, A NEW STRUCTURE FOR
TAXIS THAT ALLOW THEM TO BE
MORE COMPETITIE.
ONE THING WE ARE DOING RIGHT
NOW IS A SMART METER PILOT.
ONE THING WE HAVE HEARD FROM
THE TAXI INDUSTRY IS THE THINGS
THAT THEY WANT TO BE ABLE TO
COMPETE WITH UBER AND LYFT AS
HAVING THE ABILITY TO HAVE
DYNAMIC PRICING SO WHEN DEMAND
IS LOW, YOU HAVE LOWER RATES
BUT WHEN DEMAND IS HIGH, YOU
CAN ADJUST THE OTHER THING.
AND THEN WE HEARD OF
MODERNIZING THE METER
TECHNOLOGY SO THAT WORK IS
HAPPENING NOW.
AND MAYOR DURKIN REMAINS
COMMITTED TO WORKING WITH THE
COUNTY AND LOOKING AT THE
LEGACY INDUSTRY AND WHAT ARE
THE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP LIFT
UP DRIVERS AND TO CONTINUE TO
SUPPORTTHAT INDUSTRY.
>> I WANT TO SPEND JUST A
QUICK MOMENT.
I DON'T WANT TO RUN OUT OF
TIME.
>> COUNCILMEMBER PACHECO HAS
A QUESTION.
>> IN YOUR COMPARISON OF
OTHER CITIES, DID ANY OTHER
CITIES DO ADDITIONAL FEES FOR
RIDES TO AND FROM THE DOWNTOWN
CORE?
>> THE CITY OF CHICAGO HAS
TWO LOCATIONS WHERE THEY HAVE A
5-DOLLAR FEE FOR PICKUP.
THE NAVY PIER IS ONE OF THEM.
I CANNOT REMEMBER THE SECOND
LOCATION.
I BELIEVE IT IS THE ONLY CITY,
TO MY KNOWLEDGE, THAT HAS A GEO-
FENCED AREA WITH AN ADDITIONAL
CHARGE BIG CITY OF NEW YORK,
THE $2.75 IN A GEO- FENCED AREA
OR ANY PARTICULAR SPACE IN
MANHATTAN ONLY.
AND ALSO I WOULD LIKE TO
MENTION THAT AIRPORTS WITH MANY
MINUTES A POLITIES ADD-ON AN
EXTRA FEE INCLUDING SEATAC.
>> IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY,
IT IS A POLICY DECISION TO NOT
DO ANY GEO- FENCING FOR THE
DOWNTOWN QUARTER.
NOT BECAUSE WE DIDN'T WANT TO
BUT IN THE PROPOSAL.
>> TO DO A FEE FOR A DOWNTOWN
RIDE TO AND FROM.
IF I'M HEARING CORRECTLY.
YOU SAID EARLIER, YOU ARE
MAKING COMMENTS ABOUT HOW WE
DON'T GET THE DATA AND IT IS A
LITTLE DIFFICULT AND IT IS
TRICKY.
IT SOUNDS LIKE IT IS NOT
IMPOSSIBLE BUT EVEN THOUGH IT
IS DIFFICULT, WE CHOSE NOT TO
DO IT FOR VARIOUS REASONS.
>> BECAUSE OF LAWS LOCALLY IN
THE STATE, WE HAVE VERY
DIFFERENT INSIGHT AS TO THESE
SORT OF THINGS FOR OTHER
CITIES.
SO IT IS NOT EXACTLY A
COMPARISON AND TERMS OF THE
EASE OF HOW WE CAN UNDERSTAND
IT INITIALLY.
>> THE DATA IS VERY LIMITED.
AND DESPITE OUR BEST EFFORTS,
WE ARE UNABLE TO GET MORE RICH
DATA THAT COULD ALLOW FOR A
MORE SOPHISTICATED POLICY
AROUND THAT.
>> I UNDERSTAND.
I ATTENDED A LECTURE AT THE
UNIVERSITY OF WASHINGTON AND I
ASKED THE RANDOM QUESTION ON IF
THERE WAS ANY CITY THAT DOES
THIS WELL IN TERMS OF GETTING
THE DATA FROM THESE COMPANIES
AND EVERYBODY THERE THAT WAS A
NATIONAL EXPERT WAS LIKE, NO.
I GET IT.
IT IS TRICKY.
IT IS DIFFICULT.
IT IS HARD.
I'M TRYING TO BE MORE
INQUISITIVE ABOUT WHY WE MADE
THE DECISIONS WE MADE IN THE
PROPOSAL.
>> THANK YOU.
PLEASE PROCEED.
>> I TALKED ABOUT THE FUNDING
FOR THE STREETCAR. AS A
REMINDER, THIS WILL COMPLETE
THE SYSTEM.
AND I TALKED ABOUT HALF OF THE
RIDES BEING IN ZIP CODES IN
CAPITOL HILL, SOUTH LAKE UNION
AND DOWNTOWN.
IT JUST SO HAPPENS THAT THE
STREETCAR NETWORK ALSO CONNECTS
THOSE NEIGHBORHOODS BUT CREATES
ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY.
WE ALSO KNOW THAT MANY OF THE
UBER AND LYFT TRIPS ARE SHORT
TRIPS THAT COULD HAVE OTHERWISE
BEEN REPLACED BY TRANSIT IF WE
HAD GOOD QUALITY TRANSIT
OPTIONS.
IN TERMS OF THE HOUSING
COMPONENT, A REMINDER THAT IT
IS $52 MILLION.
THE PROPOSAL IS TO BUILD ABOUT
500 UNITS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING
. WE ARE PROPOSING TO TARGET
THESE UNITS TO INDIVIDUALS AND
FAMILIES MAKING BETWEEN 15-$25
AN HOUR. JUST IN TERMS OF
FRAME OF REFERENCE.
MANY OF THESE ARE DRIVERS
THEMSELVES. BUT ALSO FOLKS WHO
ARE NURSING ASSISTANTS, RETAIL
WORKERS, HOTEL WORKERS,
RESTAURANT WORKERS WHO HAVE
BEEN PRICED OUT OF THE CITY.
WE DO A LOT IN THE SPACE OF 0-
30%.
THIS IS IN THE 40-60% RANGE AND
IT IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO
COMPLEMENT THE EXISTING HOUSING
INVESTMENTS.
>> DO WE ASSUME THIS WILL BE
ONGOING?
SO IT IS NOT JUST ONE TIME
FUNDING?
LET'S ASSUME THE TAX REMAINS
FOR FIVE YEARS.
>> THIS IS GOING TO BE WHERE
IT IS DEDICATED.
>> THE PROPOSAL IS TO DO, IN
THE FIRST 5-6 YEARS,
ESSENTIALLY SORT OF A SURGE, TO
BE ABLE TO DO THIS TYPE OF
INVESTMENT IN HOUSING.
IT IS ANTICIPATED IN THE OUT
YEARS OF THE TAX THAT THE
INVESTMENTS WILL FOCUS ON
OPERATING OF HOUSING UNITS AND
ALSO A BULK OF THESE
INVESTMENTS IN TRANSPORTATION.
SO BICYCLE, PEDESTRIAN AND
TRANSIT INVESTMENTS.
>> AND I AM COUNSELING
CHANNELING COUNCILMEMBER
MOSQUEDA WHEN WE ARE TALKING
ABOUT 30-40% AMI.
THANK YOU FOR ANY HELP.
>> I WANT TO TALK BRIEFLY
ABOUT THE TIMELINE.
THE ORDINANCES ARE DOWN FOR
YOUR CONSIDERATION.
WE WILL BEGIN THE INDEPENDENT
STUDY WORK IN THE NEXT FEW
WEEKS.
WE ANTICIPATE WE WILL GO
THROUGH EARLY SPRING WITH
RECOMMENDATIONS.
AT THAT POINT, THE COUNCIL WILL
CONSIDER THE ORDINANCE TO
CODIFY AND MAKE REAL THAT
NUMBER.
TO INCREASE THE MINIMUM WAGE
AND REASONABLE EXPENSES WITH
THE IDEA THAT THE MINIMUM
COMPENSATION WOULD GO INTO
EFFECT JULY 1st, 2020.
WE ALSO WILL BEGIN COLLECTING
THE TAX JULY 1st OF 2020.
>> I UNDERSTAND THAT THERE
ARE FOUR ORDINANCES AND ONE
RESOLUTION THAT YOU ARE
PLANNING TO SEND DOWN.
AND I THINK THERE HAS BEEN SOME
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER IT
WAS ALL GOING TO GO THROUGH
BUDGET OR WHETHER WE WERE GOING
TO BREAK THAT INTO TWO PIECES.
SO WE WILL HAVE FURTHER
CONVERSATION ABOUT WHAT THAT
LOOKS LIKE AND FOR SURE, WE
WANT THIS TO BE VOTED ON BEFORE
DECEMBER 16th.
WE KNOW THAT FOR SURE.
>> I HAVE A HANDFUL OF
QUESTIONS THAT MIGHT GO MORE
INTO THE DETAILS AND WE HAVE
TIME FOR.
I KNOW WE HAVE A PROCESS OF THE
TURNAROUND.
SO READING THE AUDIENCE, IF IT
IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO SEND
THOSE QUESTIONS OUT AND GET
THOSE DETAILS, I'M HAPPY TO DO
THAT.
>> WE ARE ALWAYS HAPPY TO
COME.
>> THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE
IS, THE RIDE TEXT GOES INTO
EFFECT IN JULY OF 2020.
I THINK THEY ARE COLLECTING
QUARTERLY WHICH MEANS THE FIRST
SET OF REVENUE FROM THIS COMES
IN LATE 2020.
IF THAT IS CORRECT, HOW ARE WE
GOING TO FUND THE DISPUTE
RESOLUTION CENTER NEXT JULY
WITHOUT THIS REVENUE?
DO WE HAVE A PLAN TO FRONTLOAD
SOME EXISTING FUNDING AND
BACKFILL IT WITH A NEW TAX
COMING IN?
>> IF THE TAX IS APPROVED AND
YOU HAVE CONFIDENCE THAT IT
WILL BE OF LIMITED ON JULY 1st,
WE DON'T HAVE A CASH FLOW
PROBLEMS THAT WE WOULD BE ABLE
TO SPEND FROM GENERAL
RESOURCES, KNOWING THAT THE
REVENUE WILL START TO FLOW ON
JULY 1st AGAIN.
ASSUMING THERE ARE NO OTHER
HURDLES TO THE IMPLEMENTATION.
>> IS THAT REFLECTED IN THE
BUDGET SOMEHOW?
OR WOULD WE NEED TO REFLECT
THAT IN THE 2020?
>> TOTALLY FAIR QUESTION.
THE REVENUE, WE HAVE A REVENUE
FORECAST FOR 2020 FOR THIS
PARTICULAR TAX.
ROUGHLY $9.5 MILLION.
THAT IS SHOWN IN THE BUDGET
JUST AS WE HAVE A PREDICTION
FOR THE SALES TAX AND THE
PROPERTY TAX.
THE FUNDING STRATEGY REFLECTS
SOME OF THE UNCERTAINTY.
SO WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS
ABOUT A MILLION AND A HALF
DOLLARS TO GET SPENT IN 2020.
SO ONLY A FRACTION OF THAT TO
GET US SET UP AND MOVING TOWARD
THE FULL IMPLEMENTATION AND
THEN WE WILL HAVE THE OTHER
RESOURCES AVAILABLE BY
SEPTEMBER OR OCTOBER.
WE WILL HAVE A BETTER SENSE OF
WHAT THE REVENUE STREAM LOOKS
LIKE AND AS WE DEVELOP A BUDGET
FOR 21 AND 22, MORE SOLID
PROJECTIONS.
I WILL TELL YOU THAT AS WE
BRING TO THE BUDGET, WE WILL
HAVE ONLY SEEN A COUPLE MONTHS
WORTH OF DATA AND AS HE
PROCESSED THE BUDGET, WE WILL
GET A COUPLE MORE MONTHS OF
DATA ASSUMING WE HAVE
IMPLEMENTED AT THAT POINT.
>> WE ARE WINDING DOWN NOW.
ON THE OPTIONS, WE NEED OPEN
DIALOGUE.
PERHAPS WE TAKE THREE PIECES
AND KEEP IT AT BUDGET AND LOOK
AT THE TECHNOLOGY COMMITTEE FOR
TWO PIECES.
I HAVE A PREFERENCE TO KEEP IT
ALL ON THE BUDGET COMMITTEE.
I WILL EXPLAIN WHY.
AT THIS POINT.
I COULD BE CONVINCED OTHERWISE.
AT THIS POINT, I SEE ALL FIVE
PIECES WORKING TOGETHER AND I
UNDERSTAND THERE NEEDS TO BE
MORE POLICY DISCUSSIONS.
WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT FOR
ME IS TO TALK TO THE
CONSTITUENTS.
WHAT I'M TRYING TO ORGANIZE ARE
MEETINGS WITH MANY OF THE
PEOPLE IN THE AUDIENCE AND THE
STAKEHOLDERS.
I DON'T FIND IT PARTICULARLY
HELPFUL TO HAVE A COMMITTEE
MEETING A LOT OF THEM ARE
SAYING THE SAME THING.
IT IS JUST A WASTE OF TIME.
I'M TRYING TO BACK CHANNEL THE
MEETINGS.
MY PREFERENCE, THIS CHANGES THE
LANDSCAPE.
AND I THINK THE MAYOR, AS I
SAID AT A PRESS CONFERENCE, HAS
DONE A PHENOMENAL JOB TO THE
EXTENT THAT SHE AND HER TEAM
CAST THE NET OUT THERE AND GOT
AS MANY OPINIONS AS POSSIBLE
AND HAVE PREVENTED --
PRESENTED US WITH THE WELL
THOUGHT OUT PROPOSAL.
I WANTED TO KEEP THIS POINT, I
WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT OPTION
TWO.
I'M TALKING TO COUNCILMEMBER
O'BRIEN ABOUT THAT AS WELL.
>> ANY MORE QUESTIONS UP
HERE?
>> THERE ARE SO MANY.
>> COUNCILMEMBER HARRELL COME
ON OPTION TWO, DID YOU JUST
OUTLINE A SCHEDULE FOR THE
GOVERNANCE AND TECHNOLOGY?
>> YOU ARE NOT EVEN PAYING
ATTENTION.
YOU ARE TALKING.
>> WE WERE DOING MATH.
>> HE SAYS HE WANTS TO KEEP
IT AND BUDGET COMMITTEE.
>> LET ME EXPLAIN.
WHAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT
THING ABOUT WHAT I SAID AND I
WILL SAY IT AGAIN, WE HAVE TO
MEET WITH A LOT OF
CONSTITUENTS.
A LOT OF THEM.
AND I DON'T FIND THAT TWO
MINUTE TESTIMONY EFFECTIVE.
I WOULD LOVE TO SCHEDULE SOME
MEETINGS WITH ALL OF THEM IN
THE SAME ROOM.
AT LEAST THE REPRESENTATIVE
GROUPS THAT HAVE A LOT OF BACK
CHANNEL CONVERSATIONS TO HAVE
THOSE WITH THEM ON THEIR
CONCERNS AND KEEP IT ON THE
BUDGET COMMITTEE AND KEEP THE
WHOLE PACKAGE TOGETHER.
THIS IS HUGE.
A HUGE CHANGE TO THE LANDSCAPE.
>> THAT HELPS ME BECAUSE WITH
THE FOLLOW-UP QUESTIONS I HAVE,
I WAS THINKING, WOULD IT BE
APPROPRIATE TO ASK THOSE AT THE
COMMITTEE.
WE WILL COPY THE COUNCIL
COLLEAGUES OF FOLKS KNOW THE
TYPES OF DETAILS WE ARE LOOKING
FOR AND THEN RECOGNIZING THE
CONVERSATION, WE WILL COME BACK
TO EITHER THE GROUP YOU ARE
CONVENING OR TO THIS
DISCUSSION.
>> I WOULD LIKE TO THANK THE
MAYOR FOR PRESENTING THIS RIGHT
DURING THE BUDGET.
BUT IT DOES RAISE A LOT OF
ISSUES.
WE JUST HAVE TO ROLL UP OUR
SLEEVES AND GET THROUGH IT.
I DON'T THINK IT WILL BE A BIG
DEAL.
BUT MY PREFERENCE IS TO KEEP IT
HERE.
A LOT OF CONVERSATION TO BE
HAD.
>> NO FURTHER QUESTIONS BY
THE PANEL.
THANK YOU SO MUCH ALL OF YOU
FOR COMING.
IT IS A GREAT INTRODUCTION.
AND ALL OF YOU THAT STAYED
WAITING FOR PUBLIC COMMENT
PERIOD, WE LOVE TO HAVE YOU
HERE.
WE HAVE ABOUT 21 SPEAKERS WHO
HAVE SIGNED UP.
JUST SO YOU KNOW, WE ARE ALSO
HAVING A PUBLIC COMMENT
TOMORROW NIGHT STARTING AT
5:30.
EVERYBODY THERE WILL GET TWO
MINUTES.
IF YOU PREFER TO WAIT UNTIL
TOMORROW NIGHT, THAT IS GREAT.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW, I AM
GOING TO INVITE JOSHUA WELCHER,
CHRIS VAN DYKE AND MICHAEL WOLF
TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE.
>> I WAS GOING TO ASK YOU TO.
>> .
>> BEFORE YOU GET STARTED.
>> HERE IS WHAT I JUST SAID
TO CHAIR BAGSHAW PUBLICLY.
THAT WE LOST A GREAT MAJORITY
OF FOLKS BECAUSE OF THE
LATENESS OF THE HOUR.
WHAT I ASKED IS, WE HAVE THE
HEARING TOMORROW.
IF SOME OF YOU WANT TO SPEAK
NOW, THAT IS FINE.
BUT IF WE CAN START OFF WITH
THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE
HEARING WHERE WE HAVE A LOT OF
BODIES HERE.
>> FOR THOSE THAT CHOOSE NOT
TO SPEAK NOW, YOU DON'T LOSE
YOUR CUTE.
WE WILL START WITH THIS AT THE
BEGINNING OF THE HEARING
TOMORROW.
AND THEN GO THROUGH THE OTHER
PEOPLE THAT COME FOR THE OTHER
BUDGET ITEMS.
SO IF YOU WANT TO PASS TODAY
AND BE FIRST IN LINE TOMORROW.
AND WE HAVE MORE THAN THREE,
FOUR.
THREE AND A HALF.
>> SHE COUNTS AS ONE.
>> JUST GIVING YOU THAT
OPTION.
SO IS THAT CLEAR WHAT I'M
SUGGESTING?
YOU CAN SPEAK NOW BUT YOU WILL
BE IN THE QUEUE TOMORROW FOR
HOWEVER MANY PEOPLE.
IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL
TOMORROW, WE WILL KEEP YOU IN
THE QUEUE AND START OFF WITH
YOU TOMORROW.
>> TOMORROW IT IS 5:30 HERE.
>> I KNOW YOU HAVE SOME
IMPORTANT THINGS TO SAY.
AND I'M TRYING TO HAVE THIS TNC
DURING THE BUDGET AND I WANT AS
MANY COUNCIL MEMBERS TO HEAR AS
POSSIBLE.
IF THEY DO LISTEN TO THE TAPES
IS IDEAL WHEN THEY ARE NOT HERE
BUT IT MIGHT BE MORE EFFECTIVE
IF THEY ARE HERE TOMORROW.
I'M SORRY.
I COULD NOT HEAR YOU.
>> I WILL TELL YOU NOW THAT WE
HAVE 21 PEOPLE. MAYBE 23, 24
WE WILL KEEP THE SHEETS FOR
TOMORROW.
COUNCILMEMBER BAGSHAW WILL
CHAIR TOMORROW.
>> LET'S GET STARTED.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK NOW,
PLEASE DO.
YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES.
IF YOU WANT TO WAIT UNTIL
TOMORROW NIGHT AS COUNCIL
PRESIDENT HARRELL IS SAYING, WE
WILL KEEP YOU AT THE TOP OF THE
QUEUE.
VERY GOOD.
JOSHUA, CHRIS AND MICHAEL.
>> THANK YOU SO MUCH COUNCIL
CHAIR BAGSHAW AND PRESIDENT
HARRELL AND THE REST OF THE
COUNCIL.
MY NAME IS JOSHUA WELCHER FROM
TEAMSTERS LOCAL 117.
AND I WON'T TAKE THE FULL TWO
MINUTES IN THE INTEREST OF TIME
BUT SIMPLY TO COMMEND THAT
DRIVERS HAVE BEEN SPEAKING OUT
FOR THREE PRIORITIES IN TERMS
OF FAIR PAY, DUE PROCESS AROUND
UNFAIR DEACTIVATION'S AND
HAVING A VOICE.
WE COMMEND THIS FAIR SHARE
PROPOSAL AS A STEP FORWARD IN
ADDRESSING THOSE ISSUES AS WELL
AS ADDRESSING COMMUNITY
INVESTMENT.
SO THANK YOU FOR TAKING THIS
UP, PARTICULARLY IN THE CONTEXT
OF BUDGET.
WE KNOW YOU ARE WORKING HARD ON
A LOT OF THINGS.
THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT THING
FOR THE DRIVING COMMUNITY AND
WE APPRECIATE IT.
>> CHRIS, MICHAEL AND KATY.
>> THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR.
I'M CHRIS VAN DYKE.
I HAVE BEEN THE PRIMARY STATE
LOBBYIST FOR THE TAXICAB
INDUSTRY FOR 12 YEARS.
I WANT TO EXTEND MY
APPRECIATION FOR THE TEAMSTERS
ON 17 AND THE GREAT WORK AND
ADVOCACY THEY HAVE DONE OVER
THE YEARS.
I'M SPEAKING TONIGHT SIMPLY
úBECAUSE I HAVE SENT YOU EACH A
E-MAIL OVER THE LAST TWO MONTHS
ABOUT THIS.
I'VE TRIED TO REACH OUT TO THE
MAYOR'S OFFICE.
WE IN THE TAXI INDUSTRY HAVE
GOTTEN NO FEEDBACK.
NO COMMENTS BACK.
SO I APPRECIATE THE STAFF
REACHING BACK TO 2014 IN THE
CONTEXT.
WE PREDICTED IN 2014 THAT IF
YOU OPENED UP TO UNLIMITED
RIDESHARE, IT WOULD DECIMATE
THE TAXI INDUSTRIES.
WHICH IT HAS.
WE PREDICTED IN 2015, 2016 WITH
THE COLLECTIVE BARGAINING BILL
THAT IT WOULD NEVER SEE THE
OUTSIDE OF THE COURTROOM.
IT HAS NOT.
WE PREDICTED WHAT HAS HAPPENED
IN THE INDUSTRY TODAY AND OUR
FRUSTRATION AND I DON'T WANT TO
WAIT UNTIL TOMORROW.
YOU HAVE A TOOL IN THE BOOKS
THAT CAN ADDRESS THIS PROBLEM
ITH NOTHING MORE THAN A VOTE.
AND IT CAN BE PUT IN PLACE IN
FOUR WEEKS, FIVE WEEKS OR SIX
WEEKS.
YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY UNDER
RCW46.72.150 TO SET THE RATE
FOR FOR HIRE VEHICLES.
FOR FIVE YEARS, YOU HAVE
REFUSED TO DO IT.
YOU HAVE REFUSED TO DO IT FOR
POLITICAL REASONS.
YOU CAN SET THE RATE AT $1.75 A
MILE AND WAIT TIME.
EVERYBODY WILL MAKE MONEY.
TAXI DRIVERS DO NOT DRIVE AND
CANNOT MAKE MONEY NOW BECAUSE
CORPORATE UBER SETS A PRICE
UNDER $1.35 A MILE.
TAXI DRIVERS ARE MANDATED BY
YOU AT $2.60 A MILE.
THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE.
THIS DOES NOT TAKE THE MOST
AMAZING GOLDBERG POLITICAL
CONTRAPTION I HAVE SEEN IN 50
YEARS OF DOING POLITICS.
THIS SIMPLY MEANS YOU HAVE TO
STEP UP AND SET MINIMUM RATE
FOR FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU DID NOT
WANT TO DO IT.
>> I HAVE GONE TO THE UNITED
STATES SUPREME COURT WITH
INITIATIVES.
THIS IS NOT SUBJECT TO
INITIATIVE.
>> THANK YOU, CHRIS.
>> THANK YOU.
SORRY TO GET PASSIONATE.
MICHAEL.
THANK YOU.
>> THE SAVINGS HAS BEEN
THROWN OUT THE WINDOW BY THE
CITY OF SEATTLE.
>> THANK YOU.
MICHAEL, KATY.
MICHAEL WOLFF.
I WOULD LIKE TO RELATE TO YOU
TODAY IN BOTH AREAS OF SUPPORT
AND CONCERN OUR MEMBERS HAVE.
AND THE IMPACTS IT COULD HAVE
ON DRIVERS AND OTHER POLICY.
FOR SOME CONTEXT OUR MEMBERS
WOULD SUPPORT A PLAN THAT WOULD
FOCUS ON DRIVERS INCLUDING AN
INDUSTRY-LEADING DRIVER MINIMUM
EARNINGS GUARANTEE OF $27.50
PAID FOR BY COMPANIES.
CREATION OF AN INDEPENDENT
DRIVERS ASSOCIATION SELECTED BY
A VOTE OF ALL DRIVERS AFTER AN
OPEN FAIR AND UNBIASED
APPLICATION PROCESS.
IF THAT'S US, GREAT.
IF IT'S THE TEAMSTERS THAT'S
GREAT IF LONG IS OPEN, FEAR AND
A VOTE OF ALL DRIVERS.
IN ADDITION, WE WOULD SUPPORT A
DISCIPLINARY DEACTIVATION
REVIEW PANEL RUN BY THAT
ASSOCIATION OF DRIVERS.
WE HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE
INCREASE IN THE FEE CHARGE PER
RIDE BY $0.51.
IN A REPORT ISSUED BY SOLIS
FINANCIAL IT DOES SHOW AN
INCREASE OF THIS AMOUNT WOULD
RESULT IN A LOSS OF EARNINGS
FOR DRIVERS, OVER $12 MILLION
PER YEAR.
THIS REPORT DID ACCOUNT FOR
INCREASE IN RIDERSHIP, IT DID
ACCOUNT FOR PRICE CHANGES, IT
DID ACCOUNT FOR PRICE
ELASTICITY AND A LOT OF OTHER
THINGS THAT SHOULD BE ACCOUNTED
FOR IN THESE TYPES OF REPORTS.
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT TO THE
DEPUTY MAYOR, WE THINK THAT
THIS WOULD HARM DRIVERS.
THE TAX AMOUNT OF $0.51 IS NOT
NEEDED TO FUND THE DRIVER
PROTECTIONS PROPOSED.
A NEGLIGIBLE AMOUNT OF $0.05
WOULD BE SUFFICIENT TO ACHIEVE
THESE POLICY GOALS.
ADDITIONALLY, LOOKING AT THIS,
MIKE MAKE ONGOING EFFORTS AT
THE STATE LEVEL TO SECURE A
STATEWIDE PORTAL BENEFIT SYSTEM
FOR INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS A
CALL ALL INJURIES DUE TO THE
NEED FOR THE STATE TO CHANGE TO
CHARGE A FEE TO MANAGE
SUPPORTABLE BENEFIT SYSTEM.
>> COUNCIL MEMBER, A QUESTION.
>> I READ YOUR EMAIL AND THE
FIRST IDEA YOU HAD I KNOW YOU
HAVE SEVERAL POINTS.
>> IT'S BASICALLY DONE.
>> THE ASSOCIATION, THE DRIVER
ASSOCIATION YOU MENTIONED.
WHY DOES THE CITY -- WHY SHOULD
THE CITY MANDATE THAT?
WHAT'S THAT TO STOP THAT?
CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE
ORGANIZATION AGAIN AND WHY THE
DAY NEED THE CITY TO SANCTION
THAT?
>> I WOULD THINK THE DRIVERS
ASSOCIATION WOULD LOOK LIKE
THEY PROPOSE DRIVER RESOURCE
CENTER.
MY CONCERN IS SORT OF PAST
EXPERIENCE, THAT THE RULEMAKING
PROCESS WILL RESULT IN THE
SELECTION PROCESS THAT WOULD
BIAS TOWARDS ANY ONE PARTICULAR
ORGANIZATION.
WE WANT TO MAKE SURE THE
DRIVERS VOICES ARE HEARD AND
IT'S THE DRIVERS THAT ARE
SELECTING THE ORGANIZATION THAT
REPRESENTS THEM, THROUGH A
FAIR, OPEN PROCESS.
THAT'S IT.
THAT'S ALL WE ARE ASKING FOR.
WE KNOW THERE IS A NEED FOR
DRIVERS ASSOCIATION AT THIS
POINT WE UNDERSTAND UNWARRANTED
DEACTIVATION'S HAPPEN.
I HAD A MEETING WITH A MEMBER
OF THE SOMALI COMMUNITY LAST
WEEK WHERE A WRITER DECIDED HE
WOULD QUOTE ACCORDING TO MY
DRIVER, QUOTE GET YOU
DEACTIVATED BECAUSE HE DIDN'T
WANT TO MAKE AN EXTRA STOP ON
THAT RIDE.
>> WE WILL FOLLOW UP ON
CONVERSATION.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
>> IN SHORT, OPTION TWO, WE
WOULD ENCOURAGE ACTUALLY SPLIT
OF THE TAX ON THE DRIVER
PROTECTIONS.>> THANK YOU.
KATY, KEIKO AND CAN YOU HELP ME
WITH THIS?>> THAT IS MOHAMMED
IS THE LAST NAME.
WHOSE LAST NAME IS THAT?
MOHAMMED IS THE LAST NAME.
MAYBE LEFT.
NUMBER SIX.>> THANK YOU COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
BUDGET SHARE I'D LIKE TO DEFER
MY TIME TO TOMORROW.
I DO WANT TO --
>> YOU'VE GOT A PIECE OF THE
APPLE.
>> THE POINT I WANT TO PROVIDE
A STRAIGHTFORWARD IS NOT INFECT
THE REAL UNION, IT'S A COMPANY
FUNDED UNION THAT IS NOT
AFFILIATED WITH ANY LABOR
ORGANIZATIONS.
>> OKAY, WE WILL STILL GIVE YOU
TOMORROW KATY.>> [ APPLAUSE ]>>
KEIKO IN THE NAME THAT IS
UNREADABLE NUMBER SIX, WE WILL
SAY IT'S COME OUT MOHAMMED AND
THEN ANOTHER ONE, [
INDISCERNIBLE ]. PLEASE.
>> I'D LIKE TO DEFER MY TIME
BUT CAN I CLARIFY.
CAN I ASK FOR MY TIME TO GROUP?
>> I'M GETTING IN SO MUCH
TROUBLE.
ONE SENTENCE.
>> WHO'S YOUR STARTER CATERING
-- KATY?
WHO IS YOUR STARTER?
>> SHE WANTS TO CLARIFY
SOMETHING.
>> AND SPEAK TOMORROW, I'M
SORRY CHAIR.
I'VE NEVER TRIED WHAT WE WERE
SUGGESTING.
I WAS HAVING SOME FUN WITH IT.
I THINK IT'S FINE.
>> ONE SENTENCE.
THAT'S ALL YOU GOT.
ONE SENTENCE.
IF YOU WANT TO SPEAK FIRST
TOMORROW NIGHT.>> THREE
SENTENCES.
GO AHEAD.
TOMORROW, -- OKAY.
WE CAN'T WAIT.>> IS THERE
SOMEBODY THAT LOOKS LIKE TU M A
T?>> LAST NAME MOHAMMED?
NO?
YES.
>> OKAY.
THE NEXT IS BE A.M.
OH U.S. AS A.
>> IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS
TO SPEAK TODAY?
OKAY.
THAT DIDN'T WORK.
>> ABDUL YOUSEF.
IT'S NICE TO SEE YOU.
IT LOOKS LIKE MOHAMMED MOHAMMED
AND THEN AHMED MOVEMENT.
>> YES.
I AM.>> IS ABDUL HERE?
BUT NICE TO SEE YOU.
AND THEN MOHAMMED MOHAMMED.
AND YOU ARE THREE.
OKAY, PLEASE NICE TO SEE YOU.>>
GOOD AFTERNOON COUNCIL.
LADIES, MOSTLY IN COUNCILMAN.
MY NAME IS ABDUL I'M FROM EAST
SIDE AND THE EAST AFRICAN
COMMUNITY.
THE DEBATE THAT WAS GOING ON
EARLIER IS TOTALLY SOMETHING
EVERYBODY HAS BEEN PUTTING ON A
SHOW.
THE REALITY OF THE BILL IN
FRONT OF YOU HAS NOT BEEN
DISCUSSED FULLY.
WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO ACTUALLY
HIGHLIGHT IS THE FACT THAT OF
THE $0.51 THAT'S BEEN PROPOSED,
$0.07 WILL GO TOWARDS DRIVING
SOLUTIONS.
THE $0.44 WILL GO TOWARD CITY
GENERAL PROGRAMS.
MAYOR, INDICATED THAT RETAIL
WORKERS, RESTAURANT WORKERS AND
THEIR DEPARTMENTS WILL BE ON
OTHER STREET HEARTS.
WHY IS THIS INDUSTRY, WHICH IS
MATURELY MINORITY IS SELECTING
TO DO THE WORK OF EVERY CITY,
AND INDIVIDUAL SHOULD HAVE TO
ADDRESS.
WHY DO WE HAVE OUR CUSTOMERS
AND OURSELVES TO TAKE THE
BURDEN OF SELF -- SOLVING THE
CITYWIDE PROBLEMS?
I SEE THERE'S A DISCRIMINATORY
AND I WANT THIS BILL THAT IS IN
FRONT OF YOU TO ONLY REFLECT
THE INTERESTS OF THE INDUSTRY.
IF IT'S TO BE FOR THE CITYWIDE,
WE WANT THAT -- I WANT TO SHARE
IT'S CALLED FAIR RIDE BUT WE
WANT OUR SHARE OF OUR INDUSTRY
FOR THE GENERAL CITYWIDE
PROBLEMS TO BE ADDRESSED.
THIS IS A NEW ISSUE TO US.
OR COMMUNITY IS NOT WELL
INFORMED.
ALL OF OUR DRIVERS ON THEIR
BACKS THEY WILL HELP THE
CITYWIDE PROBLEMS, WHEN ALL THE
OTHER INDUSTRIES ARE NOT
HELPING AND BEING
PARTICIPATING.
I WELCOME THE IDEA OF THE
COMMUNITY STAKEHOLDERS
MEETINGS, WHICH WE WILL DISCUSS
IT FURTHER LINK AND
PARTICULARLY [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
WAS FAMILIAR WITH THE GENERAL
ISSUES.
WE WOULD LIKE YOU TO CONVENE
AND HEAR FROM US, TWO MINUTES
ISN'T GOOD ENOUGH.
>> THANK YOU.
MOHAMMED MOHAMMED.>> I AM NOT
MOHAMMED>> WHAT IS YOUR NAME?
BUT [ INDISCERNIBLE ]>> I THINK
WE HAD A MOHAMMED MOHAMMED.
PLEASE COME UP.
OKAY, TOMORROW.
I THINK YOU ARE ON.
>> YES, THANK YOU COUNCIL
MEMBERS.
MY NAME IS [ INDISCERNIBLE ] ON
THE FOUNDER OF SEATTLE
RIDESHARE DRIVERS ASSOCIATION.
WE FOUND OF THIS ASSOCIATION IN
2013.
700 DRIVERS CAME TOGETHER AND
FOUND OF THIS ASSOCIATION.
THERE WAS A STRIKE AND WE WERE
STRIKING AGAIN AS UBER BUT
THERE IS NOT A LOT OF MONEY.
MOST OF US ARE DRIVERS AND WE
DON'T HAVE THAT MUCH TIME, LIKE
TODAY.
WE CANNOT SIT FOR SIX AND SEVEN
HOURS AND TALK.
ONE THING WE ARE SUGGESTING IS
THAT IF MONEY IS GOING TO BE
COLLECTED ON BEHALF OF DRIVERS,
TAX MONEY, I THINK THIS MONEY
SHOULD GO TOWARD HELPING THE
DRIVERS.
WE HAVE A LOT OF IDEAS.
WE'VE COLLECTED A LOT OF
SIGNATURES FROM DRIVERS.
WE WANT TO TALK TO DIFFERENT
MEMBERS AND EXPLAIN HOW OUR
IDEAS WILL BE BENEFICIAL.
ONE OF OUR IDEAS IS THAT WE ARE
THINKING OF THE WELL-BEING OF
THE DRIVERS, MEANING THAT WE
HAVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS AS
DRIVERS.
DIAMOND DRIVER FOR THE LAST SIX
YEARS, MADE MORE THAN 11,000
TRIPS ON UBER.
THIS IS MY FULL-TIME JOB.
I'M DOING IT TODAY.
I -- THIS IS MY THIRD PRIUS
THAT I'VE USED.
WHAT I'M SAYING IS THAT ONE OF
THE IDEAS THAT COUNCIL MEMBER
EXPLAINED WAS A LOT OF DRIVERS,
WILL FORMER CAPTURE -- CAB
DRIVERS HAVE LOST MONEY ON THE
MEDALLIONS, HAVE ON DEBT AND ON
TOP OF THAT WE ARE DEEP INTO
POVERTY.
A LOT OF SITUATIONS ARE GOING
ON WITH OUR LIVES.
BESIDE THE ISSUES OF THE
DEACTIVATION AND RAISING MONEY,
YOU ALSO HAVE SOCIAL PROBLEMS
THAT WE NEED TO ADDRESS THAT WE
WANT TO TALK WITH EACH OF YOU
IN YOUR OFFICES AND EXPLAIN OUR
PROPOSAL.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU FOR COMING.
ERIC PALMER, MICHAEL ADAMS AND
THEN MR. SAEED.
WOULD YOU GIVE US YOUR NAME.
ARE YOU ERIC?
>> VERY NICE.
PLEASE GO AHEAD.
>> MY NAME IS ERIC PALMER.
I ORIGINALLY CREATED THE IDA
WITH A GROUP OF DRIVERS IN
SEATTLE IN ORDER TO CREATE
BENEFITS FOR DRIVERS.
WE ALSO CREATED THE UBER AND
LYFT BREAK ROOM WHICH IS ALL
OVER LYFT DRIVERS ONLY.
úWE GET THE FEEDBACK FROM A LOT
OF DRIVERS AND WE KNOW WHAT'S
GOING ON.
I'M A SINGLE FATHER.
I'M HANDICAPPED.
I HAVE TO RAISE MY FAMILY ON MY
OWN.
WITH EVERYTHING THAT'S GONE ON,
I'VE HEARD THE TALK OF SURGE,
UBER AND LYFT MET ELLEN PAGE
THE SEARCH.
THEY CHARGE OUR PASSENGERS.
THEY DO NOT PAY IT TO THE
DRIVERS.
DRIVE FORWARD IS A COMPANY THAT
HAS LET OUT FALSE INFORMATION
SAYING THAT THE INITIATIVE, THE
TAXES WERE GOING TO RAISE $17.5
MILLION THAT WAS JUST TO BE A
SLUSH FUND FOR TEAMSTERS 117 IN
ORDER TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM
THAT TAX.
I HAVE TALKED TO PASSENGERS AND
PROBABLY 400 PASSENGERS.
ALL OF THEM SAY THEY DON'T HAVE
A PROBLEM PAYING $0.51 IN FACT
THEY ENCOURAGE THE RAISING OF
RATES IN ORDER TO TAKE AND MAKE
SURE THE DRIVERS ARE ABLE TO
FEED THEIR FAMILIES AND LIVE
AND HAVE BENEFITS.
A BENEFIT FOR AN INDEPENDENT
CONTRACTOR HAS TO GO TO A
BENEFIT PORTFOLIO.
IT HAS TO BE A PERCENTAGE OF
THAT HAS TO GO TO THAT FOR THE
DRIVERS TO CHOOSE WHAT THEY
WANT TO KEEP THEM INDEPENDENT.
I ENCOURAGE THAT.
I WOULD ENCOURAGE THAT OF
ANYBODY.
IF TEAMSTERS CAN DO IT, BE
GREAT IF IT'S ANOTHER
ORGANIZATION OF THE CITY
MANDATED TO.
IF EVERY GIG WORKER TO HAVE
THAT, THAT'S EVEN BETTER
BECAUSE THERE IS MICROSOFT,
AMAZON, THERE ARE GIG WORKERS
EVERYWHERE.
WE ARE HEARD.
THESE COMPANIES THAT ARE HIRING
TO GET WORKERS ARE HURTING
US.>> THANK YOU.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY.
MICHAEL AND THEN PATIENTS.
>> MICHAEL IS MEET.
HE DARN NEAR COVERED EVERYTHING
I WAS GONNA SAY THE ONLY THING
I WILL ADD IS IF YOU REALLY
WANT AN IDEA OF WHAT IT IS
WE'RE GOING TO, WHAT IT IS AN
YOU PRACTICALLY NEED TO BE OUT
THERE DOING IT.
WE CAN TALK TO GUYS, WE CAN
GIVE YOU INFORMATION.
YOU DO NEED TO BE CAREFUL ABOUT
WHO YOU GET THIS INFORMATION
FROM.
THERE HAS BEEN ALLEGATIONS LAID
OUT AS YOU'VE HEARD, THEY DON'T
BEAR REPEATING BUT SOME ARE
RIGHT AND SOME ARE NOT.
A LOT OF THE PROBLEM WE ARE
FACING RIGHT NOW IS DRIVER
EDUCATION.
WHEN DRIVERS ARE TALKING TO
YOU, BEAR IN MIND THAT NOT ALL
OF THEM ARE AS UP TO SNUFF ON
THE RULES AND REGULATIONS AS IF
THEY WERE LAID OUT RIGHT BEFORE
THEM.
MOST OF THEM ARE GETTING WORD
OF MOUTH, BEING TOLD DO THIS,
DO THAT AND THIS IS HOW IT
ROLLS.
SOMETIMES THERE ARE POINTS IN
WHERE YOU COULD HELP AND THAT
WILL BE SKEWED.
IF YOU REALLY WANT TO GET THE
CORE INFORMATION, YOU ALMOST
PRACTICALLY HAVE TO HAVE A
DRIVER PROFILE.
IF YOU NEED THAT.
I AM HERE.
>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
THERE'S A GENTLEMAN, YES, WHAT
IS YOUR NAME?
LET ME SEE.>> WHAT IS YOUR
NUMBER?
>> YOU ARE NUMBER 20 WAIT YOUR
TURN PLEASE.
WE WILL GET YOU FASTER THAN YOU
CAN IMAGINE.
MR. SAEED.
NOT HERE?
MISS PATIENTS.
I DON'T SEE PATIENTS.>> WHO
ELSE WANTS TO SPEAK?
ELIZABETH JAMES?
WALTER ELLIS.
DEFERRED.
MR. ELLIS OKAY, YOU WILL BE
FOURTH TOMORROW.
17 IS DON CLEARY.
NO, HE'S GOT TO BE HERE TO SAY
THAT.
NICE TRY.>> HE LEFT.
HE WAS HERE.
I SAW HIM LEAVE.
>> GREAT.>> A LOT OF PEOPLE
LEFT.
>> THAT WON'T HELP.
THEY HAVE TO AT LEAST ELLIS OR
OTHERWISE HOW DO I KNOW?
OKAY.
I'M GOING WITH YOU.
OH BOY.
HERE'S A PHONE NUMBER.
206-229-3533.
OKAY, COME ON UP.
STATE YOUR NAME SO I KNOW NEXT
TIME.
OF COURSE IT IS.
JUST LIKE IT'S SPELLED.>> I
REALLY APPRECIATE THE MAYOR'S
OFFICE IN THE CITY COUNCIL
MEMBERS TO STEP IN TO -- FOR
THE DRIVERS.
I WOULD LIKE TO LET YOU KNOW
AND THE PUBLIC NEED TO KNOW
THIS, DRIVERS DNC, ALL THE
DRIVERS HAVE NO SICK LEAVE, NO
PAID VACATION, NO 401(K).
IF THE CAR BREAKS DOWN WE ARE
OUT OF LUCK.
I START WITH THE UBER IN 2013 .
MY REVENUE HAS DROPPED LESS
THAN 50%.
RIGHT NOW, UBER AND LYFT ARE
REACTING TO $0.51 MAKING A BIG
DEAL, THEY CHARGE SURGE PRICE
FIVE, $10, $15, $30 EVEN, A LOT
MORE SOMETIMES.
SO THEY CAN AFFORD $0.51.
THEY CAN AFFORD TWO QUARTERS
AND A PENNY.
THAT'S WHAT I'D LIKE TO SEE.
EVEN UBER HAS A NET WORTH OF
$76 BILLION AS THE WHOLE
UNIVERSE KNOWS.
LYFT IS $29 BILLION . WHERE
THEY GET THAT MONEY BECAUSE
THIS DRIVERS.
IF WE GET PART OF THAT, I THINK
THEY WILL NOT LOSE MUCH.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, VERY MUCH.
IT LOOKS LIKE MR. AHMED.
PLEASE.
REALLY?
OKAY.
HERE HERE.
THANK YOU.
I GOT HIM.
>> THANK YOU, MADAM CHAIR.
PRESIDENT OF CITY COUNCIL.
I'M A MEMBER OF CITY COUNCIL AS
WELL.
I'M THE GENTLEMAN OF SEATTLE
RIDESHARE ASSOCIATION.
IT'S AN UMBRELLA ORGANIZATION
AS MULTIPLE ASSOCIATIONS WITH
VARIOUS ENTITIES OR MULTIPLE
QUANTITIES LIKE EAST AFRICANS
OR LATINO, DIFFERENT
ETHNICITIES ON OUR PLATFORM.
I WOULD LIKE TO SUPPORT THE
DEACTIVATION PROPOSAL.
TO HAVE AN ABUNDANT BODY
INCLUDING THE DRIVERS
ORGANIZATION.
IT MIGHT BE THE CITY KIND OF
LIKE INDEPENDENT BODY WHICH
COULD UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY YOU
ARE NOT GUILTY.
THAT MEANS DRIVERS HAVE TO ASK
THEIR VOICE AND ASK TO COME AND
ASSEMBLY DECIDES.
IN ADDITION TO THE TAX PROPOSAL
AND MONEY COLLECTED RIDESHARE
INDUSTRY.
I MUST BE ALSO [ INDISCERNIBLE
] DRIVER WILL BE.
MY COLLEAGUE [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
MENTIONED SEATTLE RIDESHARE
DRIVERS, [ INDISCERNIBLE ]
THAT'S WHAT WE ARE ADVOCATING.
WE ARE ASKING THE PROCESS TO BE
TRANSPARENT AND ACCOUNTABILITY
TO ALL.
WE UNDERSTAND THERE ARE VARIOUS
ENTITIES AND STAKEHOLDERS.
THAT'S LIKE OTHER COLLEAGUE
MENTIONED THAT MOST OF THE
MINORITY COMMUNITY AND
ESPECIALLY THE IMMIGRANT
COMMUNITY HAS NO VOICE IN THIS
PLATFORM.
WE ARE ASKING THE COUNCIL
MEMBERS TO HAVE A BETTER
LEGISLATION AND LOOK INTO THIS
PROCESS.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU, FOR COMING.
THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
WHO IN THE AUDIENCE STILL WANTS
TO SPEAK?
WHAT YOUR NAME PLEASE?
OH GOOD.
IS THERE ANYBODY'S THAT WANTS
TO SPEAK?
HELLO.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
I THINK JONATHAN, I THINK YOUR
NEXT.
PLEASE, YOU ARE NUMBER 21 AND
PAGE YOU ARE 22.
IS THERE ANYONE ELSE ON THE
LIST?
MARGUERITE RASHAD HIS LAST.
PLEASE DON'T LEAVE.
YOUR ALMOST A. -- UP.
NICE TO SEE YOU.
>> LIKEWISE, THANK YOU.
I JUST HAD A COUPLE UPDATES FOR
YOU ON THE SAMARITAN PILOT AND
A COUPLE OF STATEMENTS I WANT
TO READ, IF YOU WILL GIVE ME A
MOMENT TO PULL THEM UP.
ONE OF THE LATEST THINGS THAT
HAS BEEN HAPPENING WITH THE
SAMARITAN PILOT, WHICH AGAIN IS
THE SMART WALLETS WE'VE
DESIGNED SPECIFICALLY FOR
PEOPLE EXPERIENCING
HOMELESSNESS TO ADDRESS
CRITICAL NEEDS TO GETTING INTO
HOUSING IN BETTER HEALTH.
HARBORVIEW EMERGENCY ROOMS HAVE
SIGNED A LETTER OF INTENT TO
PROVIDE A RESOURCE FOR PEOPLE
WHO ARE HOMELESS AND IN AND OUT
OF THE ER.
WE HAVE SEEN NOW OVER $100,000
TRANSFERRED DIRECTLY TO THE 500
PILOT GROUP.
WITH OVER 1000 MESSAGES OF
ENCOURAGEMENT SENSE OF THESE
INDIVIDUALS.
OF THE 500 274 OF THE TREATMENT
GROUP HAVE REPORTED NEEDING
EITHER A MAJOR FINANCIAL OR
RELATIONAL NEED TO GETTING INTO
HOUSING AND 50 OF THOSE HAVE
ACTUALLY MOVED INTO HOUSING,
GOTTEN EMPLOYED OR MOVED INTO
FULL-TIME TREATMENT.
KNOW OF A, THE DIRECTOR OF
HOUSING SAYS THAT WE HOPE TO
USE SAMARITAN TO EMPOWER
CLIENTS AND EQUIP THE BROADER
COMMUNITY TO SEE THE HUMANITY
OF THE PEOPLE WE SERVE.
SHARON LEE THE EXECUTIVE
DIRECTOR OF LEHIGH HOPES TO USE
SAMARITAN TO BUILD
RELATIONSHIPS OF TRUST WITH
CLIENTS AND INSTILL NEW HOPE
AND ULTIMATEY NAVIGATE MORE
PEOPLE INTO HOUSING.
MICKEY JORDAN, THE DIRECTOR OF
OUTREACH AT THE SALVATION ARMY
SAID THIS WOULD REPRESENT
TRANSFORMATIVE ACCESS TO THE
FINANCIAL AND SOCIAL CAPITAL
THAT THE PEOPLE WE SERVE NEED.
WE FEEL THAT THIS INTERVENTION
DRIVES BEHAVIORAL CHANGE WHICH
CAN LOWER COST OF THE CITY,
GENERATE NEW DATA AND MAKE THE
CITY A BETTER PLACE FOR ALL TO
LIVE.
JASON JOHNSON FROM HST SAID
WHILE HST DOES NOT HAVE FUNDING
FOR THIS, THAT THEY WANT TO
REPLACE AN EXISTING LINE ITEM.
IF THE CITY COUNCIL CAN FIND
PILOT FUNDING FOR THIS, HE
WOULD BE IN SUPPORT OF THAT.
IT WOULD TAKE 170 5K TO GIVE
750 MORE PEOPLE ACCESS TO A
BEACON IN THE NEXT YEAR AND
$225,000 TO GIVE 1200 PEOPLE --
1200 FEET DEEP PEOPLE ACCESS TO
A BEACON.
I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR MAYBE MORE
OF WHAT YOU HAVE THOUGHT ABOUT
AND GET AN UPDATE, IF THIS IS
SOMETHING OF INTEREST.
>> THANK YOU.
PAGE, YOU ARE SECOND TO LAST
AND MAYBE LAST IF WE DON'T SEE
MARGUERITE.
THANK YOU FOR WAITING.
>> I'M PAGE MELLATA A MEMBER OF
THE SEATTLE STREET CORNER
COALITION TO SUPPORT THE FAIR
SHARE PLAN FOR FUNDING THE
STREETCAR.
LAST YEAR, OVER 24 MILLION RIDE-
HAILING TRIPS WERE ORIGINATING
IN SEATTLE, A 16% INCREASE
EVERY YEAR.
OVER HALF OF THESE TRIPS TOOK
PLACE IN THE DOWNTOWN CORE DOOR
WHICH WILL BE SERVED BY THE
CENTER CITY STREETCAR.
FOR THE SMALL AMOUNTS FOR EACH
RIDE-HAILING TRIP THIS TAX
WOULD RAISE $56 MILLION OF
INVESTMENTS OVER FIVE YEARS TO
COMPLETE THE CENTER CITY
STREETCAR ON FIRST AVENUE AND
STRENGTHEN THE OPPORTUNITY FOR
$75 MILLION GRANT FROM THE
GOVERNMENT.
WITH 65% OF THE REGION'S CARBON
EMISSIONS COMING FROM
TRANSPORTATION, A TAX ON RIDE-
HAILING TO FIND A STREAK OUR
POWERED BY GREEN INJURY IS A
STEP WE CAN TAKE TODAY TOWARDS
CLIMATE ACTION, ADDRESSING
CONGESTION AND BECOMING A MORE
SUSTAINABLE CITY.
PLEASE SUPPORT THE FAIR SHARE
PLAN.
THANK YOU.
>> THANK YOU.
MARGUERITE?
I DON'T SEE MARGUERITE.
THAT'S THE END OF OUR PUBLIC
COMMENT.
SEE YOU ALL TOMORROW NIGHT AT
5:30.
WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING IN
THIS MEETING IS ADJOURNED.
THANK YOU.>> [ EVENT CONCLUDED ]